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Old 1st Jan 2010, 13:00
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The precautionary principle explained very well

Climate, Caution, and Precaution Watts Up With That?
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Old 1st Jan 2010, 14:59
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A very good article indeed.

Needs translating into French, so I can pass it on to some of my friends down here who don't read English.

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Old 1st Jan 2010, 16:40
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This is how the AGW Industry works in Canada.
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Old 2nd Jan 2010, 04:03
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I didn't realise that Burt Rutan is in the fight too

Edit to add more Burt Rutan stuff here.

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Old 2nd Jan 2010, 04:21
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Climategate article in todays Australian by Garth Paltridge who is an atmospheric physicist and former chief research scientist with the CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research:

Boffins may be illegal | The Australian

A quote from it:

THE Climategate scandal continues to unfold. The thousands of emails leaked to the internet from the Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia reveal a tight-knit, influential group of scientists whose attitude to their profession is, to say the least, distorted.
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Old 2nd Jan 2010, 05:24
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Also some of you may not be aware of the excellent Tom Nelson blog. He compiles a daily list of GW related stories.
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Old 2nd Jan 2010, 07:02
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Growing skepticism about Anthropogenic Global Warming will make the Warmists change focus onto the 'Equally catastrophic' factor of Ocean Acidification.

Such is the way of a Faith as opposed to a Fact.

How many Mayans will witness the end of the Earth that they predicted would happen in 2012?

Where will Carbon Offset Trading and Al Gore be in a few years time?

Where did I put my all my Tarot Cards and that Crystal Ball? I must have the true facts!

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Old 2nd Jan 2010, 07:06
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Climategate may at least demonstrate that the concept of a scientific consensus with regard to global warming is nonsense.
Scientific consensus is far removed from scientific proof.
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Old 2nd Jan 2010, 07:35
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Where will Carbon Offset Trading and Al Gore be in a few years time?
Dead and buried?
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Old 2nd Jan 2010, 07:41
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Yes Please!

Gore's business partner is called Blood. Blood and Gore.

You couldn't make it up if you tried!

http://www.generationim.com/media/pdf-ft-08-11-04.pdf
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Old 2nd Jan 2010, 23:53
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The Great Global Warming Protest

The Great Global Warming Protest



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Old 2nd Jan 2010, 23:55
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The Great Global Warming Protest 2009

The Great Global Warming Protest 2009



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Old 3rd Jan 2010, 00:04
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the worst fires in Australian history were on the 6th February 1851.

Bush Fires in Victoria 1851 Black Thursday

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Old 3rd Jan 2010, 00:54
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Inconvenient Un-Truths

Australian's, hopefully, will come to recognise the untruthfulness of much of what our current Prime Minister and his Minister Penny Wong have peddled. The uncertainty of just how so-called Global Warming and Climate Change is generated should be apparent to all. Scientific opinion is as divided on this as on any subject. Endeavouring to reduce suspected harmful emissions is an honourable thing, but to do so at the cost of destroying our economy is foolhardy. The attempts to paint the failed Copenhagen Talkfest as being a success is as untruthful as much of the rhetoric put out by the likes of Mr Gore and his supporters.
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Old 3rd Jan 2010, 04:02
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I vote Cyclone Lawrence the best system for a long time
Bloody ripper, formed from a low east of the Tiwis, swept across Darwhine dropping 300mm plus, and then battered Northwest WA,dropped buckets on Central Oz/SA, before drenching drought ravaged NSW
A proper cyclone.
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Old 3rd Jan 2010, 06:20
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to put it in perspective for you

To all those interested in the EMISSIONS TAX debate.
*Climate change* has been continuous during the life of this planet, and is still happening.
I have looked at the notion of humans modifying the planet’s climate and find it absurd, *but *I do agree that our capitalist lust for the good life is scarring the earth, and we can become more earth-friendly.
Clearly ‘climate change’ is the latest scare tactic to try to modify our behavior.
Though raising money to pay for transition to cleaner technologies is appropriate, I cannot support a heavy tax on the whole population in the name of carbon pollution being the cause of the problem. (especially when it won’t reduce pollution).
There is no case for Australia – a minute polluter on the world stage – to act radically with a huge tax hike.

The following forwarded text puts us into perspective.



Here's a practical way to understand Mr. Rudd's *Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme.

*Imagine 1 kilometre of atmosphere and we want to get rid of the carbon pollution in it created by human activity. Let's go for a walk along it.

The first 770 metres are Nitrogen.
The next 210 metres are Oxygen. That's 980 metres of the 1 kilometre. 20 metres to go.
The next 10 metres are water vapour. 10 metres left.
9 metres are argon. Just 1 more metre.
A few gases make up the first bit of that last metre.
The last 38 centimetres of the kilometre - that's carbon dioxide. A bit over one foot. 97% of that is produced by Mother Nature. It's natural.

Out of our journey of one kilometre, there are just 12 millimetres left. Just over a centimetre - about half an inch.
_That's the amount of carbon dioxide that global human activity puts into the atmosphere_. And of those 12 millimetres Australia puts in .18 of a millimetre. Less than the thickness of a hair.

Out of a kilometre! As a hair is to a kilometre - so is Australia 's contribution to what Mr. Rudd calls Carbon Pollution.

Imagine Brisbane 's new Gateway Bridge , ready to be opened by Mr. Rudd. It's been polished, painted and scrubbed by an army of workers till its 1 kilometre length is surgically clean.
Except that Mr. Rudd says we have a huge problem, the bridge is polluted - there's a human hair on the roadway. We'd laugh ourselves silly.

There are plenty of real pollution problems to worry about.

It's hard to imagine that Australia 's contribution to carbon dioxide in the world's atmosphere is one of the more pressing ones.

And I can't believe that a new tax on everything is the only way to blow that pesky hair away.


Pass this on quickly while the ETS is being debated in Federal Parliament.
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Old 3rd Jan 2010, 10:32
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Met Office keeps predicting warming trend, against reality

The Met Office gives us the warmist weather - Telegraph
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Old 3rd Jan 2010, 10:38
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An unhappy new year for Mann. Whistleblowers are being solicited.

Climategate: Michael Mann's very unhappy New Year – Telegraph Blogs
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Old 3rd Jan 2010, 10:55
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Here's an interesting post which shows that Phil Jones could be in more hot water as while he refused to share data with people asking for it under FOI requests, citing confidentiality and non-disclosure agreements, he went ahead and sent data to other third parties to whom the same confidentiality agreements prevented him from sending data.


“Sent loads of station data to Scott” Climate Audit

And here's a discussion between Jones and Mann wherein Mann says that he'll fraudulently use the H-rating of 62 for Phil Jones while recommending him to American Geophysical Union, inspite of Jones himself confirming that this rating was only 52 and that the number 62 appeared erroneously due to mix up with another scientists also named Phil Jones, whose papers were mistakenly included while calculating the rating. So even though Jones found the error and informed Mann, Mann still went ahead and knowingly used a fraudulent rating number for Phil Jones in his recommendation.

East Anglia Confirmed Emails from the Climate Research Unit - Searchable

It's a total and complete fraud and one wonders how many such frauds these guys perpetrated.
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Old 3rd Jan 2010, 14:59
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Is anybody aware of what the motivation of these chaps like Jones and Mann is? I can understand the Train Engineer, now head of the IPPC as he looks like he is making squillions on the side, but what about these other scientists? Is it money, power, influence, fame? What makes these guys turn so bad? This fraud is no less than a crime against humanity.

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