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Old 8th Oct 2006, 12:26
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How do we deal with pig-ignorant neighbours?

Our house is a renovated barn that now forms part of an estate comprising houses renovated or built on a former farm. The estate is run by a limited company collectively managed by all residents.
The former owner of the farm still lives on the estate and is not part of the management company but does pay towards the upkeep of estate roads. He is also invited to AGMs as an observer.
Car parking is allocated according to the size of the house - some of us have garages - and there are a number of visitors' spaces.
Our problem is this:
  • The farmer seems to think he can still perform certain farm activites such as leasing a field for grazing; a covenant in the deeds allows any vehicle to use the estate road, so we're stuffed there (the planning permission stipulates change of use for residential purporses)
  • He allows his visitors to use estate car parks over which he has no rights
  • We have politely brought this subject up individually and during AGMs but he, and, in particular his wife, seems not to care
I have already had to take legal action with the developer for shoddy workmanship, broken promises and guarantees not honoured. I got nowhere but did get a settlement from the conveying solicitor for missing a lot of detail. I have no stomach for any more and would like to appeal to the former owner's better nature - except that he seems bereft of any such notion. The chair of the company seems reluctant to endorse any such concerns during AGM.
I know that their use of the visitors' car park is only really an issue if our visitors cannot park there but it is annoying nevertheless. I would never dream of treating neighbours in this way.
We refer to them in private as "The Clampitts"

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Old 8th Oct 2006, 12:50
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The estate is run by a limited company collectively managed by all residents.
Could you elabourate on the functions of the limited company who run the estate. Is it a type of Management Company, or have they delegated all of the managing responsibilities of the estate to the residents? Is there a contract between you (the residents) and this company, if so is there anything in the terms for dealing with such situations?

Generally speaking it is the responsibility of the Management Co to deal with such problem neighbours, as I do not know the facts of your case I cannot comment.

If the neighbour remains obstinate and refuses to co-operate then there is very little that the Management Co/Residents can do without going to the courts.

This neighbour is obviously wrong in leasing land for grazing which he does not own, and allowing cars to park on spaces to which he has no right, therefore it appers injunctive relief from the courts would be entirely likely (however not knowing all the facts of the case i can't comment for sure)
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Old 8th Oct 2006, 13:10
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Sorry, mislead you a bit; the farmer owns the adjacent field he lets for grazing.
I should also mention he owns a stables accessed by the estate road and some customers use our car-parks when using the stables. The management company is owned by all residents; percentage share-holding depends on size of one's property. The only external activity is that of the accountant putting our accounts together.
I hate the whole setup, I hate the house and can't wait to move (that's one reason why I don't want a legal input).
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Sounds like an incomer problem to me . . .
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One possible solution. Clamp the Clampitts!
Police officers are frequently called to deal with disputes between motorists and private contractors after a vehicle has been wheel clamped after parking without permission on private land. The main concern of an officer called to such an incident will be to stop a breach of the peace, as this is usually a civil matter, not a police matter. If there are adequate signs clearly displayed on the land saying that vehicles parked without consent will be clamped, and stating the fee required for the clamp to be removed, the act of clamping will probably be lawful
It might be worth talking to the rest of the residents, and looking into what type of signs you need. Just the signs might be enough to stop unwelcome parking.
Do a "google", and you will also find plenty of licenced clamping companies who I'm sure would be willing to help.
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Considering you're moving don't waste your time, money and heartache. It does seem like a bit of a messy situation alright.

Here's an idea; get the the Management Co/Residents Association write a very strong worded letter to the farmer setting out your grievences and what you want done. It may be unlikely however that he will respond to this request. If so I suggest writing another letter to said farmer saying you have gone to a solicitor and you are threatening court. I find that when people see the words 'court' they tend to listen to you, and they are less likely to try to call your bluff. The iceing on the cake in my opinion would be to include in the letter to the farmer the fact that his use of the land for grazing is in contravention of the planning, and that you (the residents) are more than willing to bring this to the relevant authorities attention should he not co-operate.
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Bullet to the head
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Old 8th Oct 2006, 16:32
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Similar sort of thing happened where I live.

Farmer wants to cash in chunk of land for development. There is massive local opposition and what appears to be impossible planning law hurdles. Anyway, farmer (or developer) persuades Planning that in return farmer will make massive changes to his farming practices, and suspect cash changes hands, and approval granted.

Houses built (poorly and in wrong places) and farmer continues on as normal. Basically farmer's family has lived in village for generations and sees everybody else as newcomers with no rights. I don't care but others do, but no chance of anything happening. One may as well just continue enjoying life and not bother about such silly things.

If you live in the country you are going to get cattle grazing nearby and the smells and flies are part of this. I think four familes moved out of the new housing development in the first twelve months as they didn't like it, should have thought about living in the country before they moved from the city.
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Slim_slag - you are dangersously close to the scenario that we suspect/allege/whatever prevailed when our estate was sold and renovated/developed. Planning Dept seemed rather cosy, especially during a subsequent planning request...
You might be one of my neighbours! I don't mind the country but I don't accept the incomers attitude (I know it happens) but the UK is a free country, even under TB.

Clamping not an option, could you imagine what the estate would look like with all those signs? Why can't people just be reasonable?
We have another problem: in four years, several properties have changed hands and, having started with two houses as second/holiday homes, we now have four (out of nine). We full-time residents have certain duties; I run the website (which is off-air because one resident suggested we were close to breaching the DPA...give me strength - it was password-protected for our use only!). Other residents look after things like organising servicing of bio-sewer etc. The onus falls on we permies and when the tempos hear of hassles with the site, they are not interested..."I come up here to get away from all that...it's my refuge..."etc,etc (don't get me wrong - most are very pleasant and I cannot blame them, really).
I have lived in many places around the world - the best was an established estate just off Junction 18 of the M6 in Cheshire in the late nineties/early 2000s, great neighbours, great atmosphere, regular drinking - and this supposed rural idyll is by far the most stressful and I apologise for off-loading it on you!!
I will never live in a managed area again (until the kids stick me in one, that is).

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Sounds like you're trying to push water uphill with a fork.
If you don't like your surroundings - move.
Don't muddy the waters with your protests, play up the advantages of rural life (made even quieter by half the properties being only occupied part-time - who knows, you might even attract yet another would-be holiday home owner).
SELL.
Move.
Start afresh.
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Old 8th Oct 2006, 17:27
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Wise words, 'TN - we will be moving ASAP, hence not inclined to make legal waves.
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Corrupt Planning Departments are not unique. Trouble is - you'll never prove it, as the structure is rotten.
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Just gelignite the bastard. Job done. If you're in Oz, I could have tipped you onto someone who could have done the job and he's a lawyer. Bonus!!
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I heard the (unsubstantiated) history of gelignite. Nobel was working on nitroglycerine, which was notoriously unstable. He had some 'jelly' (used to treat a skin condition) on his hands and it became inadvertantly mixed with the TNT and this produced a more stable version - gelignite. Need to check the facts.
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I always thought they used diatomaceous earth to provide the stability for nitro glycerine.

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Slim_slag - you are dangersously close to the scenario that we suspect/allege/whatever prevailed when our estate was sold and renovated/developed. Planning Dept seemed rather cosy, especially during a subsequent planning request...
You might be one of my neighbours! I don't mind the country but I don't accept the incomers attitude (I know it happens) but the UK is a free country, even under TB.
Well, FWIW, the people living here before the development only have it in for the building company (don't start me), the council planning dept (don't start me), and to a lesser extent the farmer. Not the people who moved in, even though they haven't made any effort to fit in and quite the opposite in fact. I still chat to the farmer as he drives his machinery down the lane he said he would never to use again, but not many others do.
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Did Nobel not blow up his own brother, or his his own brother blew himself up or summit. Then he got cheesed of that people were killing each other with his gear and started the prize.
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