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Old 13th Feb 2006, 12:21
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Suffering aggressive driving from an unexpected source.

Yesterday afternoon, I was driving westbound on the M55. It was a wet afternoon, but traffic was light. Approaching the Kirkham exit, I indicated at the 3 bar sign and pulled onto the slip road.

As I did so, a van behind suddenly decided to veer off the motorway after me. No indication or anything. He hovered in between lanes until I started indicating and then veered into my lane behind me. At the roundabout I went around to the right and exiting with the van following me. Shortly after the exit, the speed limit dropped to 50mph and I duly complied. The van driver came to what appeared to be inches from my back bumper (in the wet remember) to the extent that I couldn't see his headlights! He then pulled to the right until his left headlight was almost against my rear right light cluster. Then he backed off a little. In the mean time, I carried on at 45mph, then slowing to 40 when the limit changed thus. I ensured there was adequate space between me and the car in front and maintained a steady speed.

In the meantime, matey in the van continues his antics, coming right up, dangerously close, into the middle of the road towards the back right corner of my car as previously described. This continues for about 3 miles, then he turns off into a petrol station.

So, what is so odd about this?

Well, the van's colour scheme was blue and flourescent yellow checks and it had "Police" written on the front!!

So nice to see such a good example set as usual! I did take the number plate, but am wary of taking things further despite this idiot putting mine and my wife's lives at risk along with other road users.

My car is fully insured, taxed, all lights work, I wasn't speeding etc. What the hell was going on?
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 12:36
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Failure to make proper progress. You're lucky you didn't get pulled and breathalysed.
BTW, this van wasn't by any chance 'blowing his horn' and flashing blue lights at you?

It might be worth calling in and asking to speak to the head of Traffic - not as a complaint, you understand, but as 'information'. Make it clear that you won't take it any further (this time), and hope that such never happens again. Probably an 'enthusiastic' young bobby feeling 'important'.
DON'T get fobbed-off by the desk sergeant, insist on speaking face to face with the head of traffic (and check his credentials - you don't want to talk with a stooge). Don't reveal what your 'complaint' is, and if they say it isn't possible, write to 'Head of Traffic' and suggest an informal meeting (WRT safety) but don't declare your hand until you get him (or her) in front of you. A formal complaint would never succeed (your word against the dozen in the van!), and only make you a target of the 'lower' orders.

Oh! - and WRITE down a full account of the series of incidents as you remember it as soon as possible (to show the fuzz that you have your facts right and that you consider the incident(s) to be serious, and not just a moan against the boys in blue for being 'beyond the law').

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Old 13th Feb 2006, 12:41
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eal 401 Well you were going through Esprick..and guess what?One turned up behind you.
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 13:22
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 13:49
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Trying to intimidate you into breaking the speed limit??

Advised action, slow down even more to allow yourself a long enough gap between yourself and the vehicle in front to allow for the TWO stopping distances you need to avoid a crash in the event of the guy in front happening to emergency stop. Of course, if that pi55es off the [email protected] in the vehicle behind you can have a slight smile.

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Old 13th Feb 2006, 14:46
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It was me... I was going to an armed robbery at the garage where the cashier was being held at gunpoint and couldn't use the sirens in fear of warning the offenders of my approach and putting the cashier in even more danger of being shot...

It would have helped if you studied the view in your mirrors more closely and also pulled over to let me by. My positioning was a little obvious that I needed to pass wasn't it?

Its ok, we wont be reporting you for obstructing the police.
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 15:03
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What IS the law about a Police vehicle 'proceeding to a 999 call' but being 'unable' to use blues and twos?
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 15:10
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Is there still a mental hospital at Wesham?
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 15:23
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The 'law' is that its totally at the descretion of the driver.

Sometimes the use of noise and lights can hinder progress through traffic rather than assist it. Motorways are one example on various occasions.

Another thing you have to think of what happens if the fuse suppplying the kit goes u/s on the way to an incident. Should the driver not proceed with due haste without the use of the kit?
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 15:24
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No they're all mental in Wesham.Army camp is just down the road!
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 16:18
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He was in need of a loo, urgently?
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 16:18
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Seems like some people need to make their minds up.

Since speed limits are so overzealously enforced these days, you can hardly complain when you get stuck behind someone who doesn't want to get points for going a couple of mph over the limit.

Blind adherence to the letter of the law or mutual understanding and co-operation. You decide.
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 16:56
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Why, if his 'antics' were so dangerous, did you not just pull over and let it pass.

Thus eliminating any danger to your vehicle and family?
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should have got out and indulged in some road rage!
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 17:01
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Another thing you have to think of what happens if the fuse suppplying the kit goes u/s on the way to an incident. Should the driver not proceed with due haste without the use of the kit?
No, he should stop. It's ok saying there was a blag at the local GPO, but (1) there'll be other units covering it and (2) how ironic it would be to race silently to the scene, only to find it had ended peacefully except that on the way you broadsided someone's granny and killed them?


Why, if his 'antics' were so dangerous, did you not just pull over and let it pass.
Cos that'd be aiding and abetting


The 'law' is that its totally at the descretion of the driver.
or in this case the desecration?
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 17:37
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Another thing you have to think of what happens if the fuse suppplying the kit goes u/s on the way to an incident. Should the driver not proceed with due haste without the use of the kit?

No, he should stop. It's ok saying there was a blag at the local GPO, but (1) there'll be other units covering it and (2) how ironic it would be to race silently to the scene, only to find it had ended peacefully except that on the way you broadsided someone's granny and killed them"

Obviously never been in an emergency vehicle, doesn't matter that you have everything lit up, and everything making a noise going, you can garentee that every few days someone will walk out/pull out or do something daft in front of you because they haven't looked.

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Why, if his 'antics' were so dangerous, did you not just pull over and let it pass.

Cos that'd be aiding and abetting "

Aiding and abetting what?

If the other vehicle is causing danger, would the sensible option not be to get out of the way, let it pass?
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 17:44
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Cos that'd be aiding and abetting "
Aiding and abetting what?
A sense of humour malfunction........

Don't worry OtC, I got it
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 18:16
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Perhaps it wasn't possible to pull over safely and let the van pass, bjcc.

I'd have thought that if the police driver were responding to a legitimate emergency, he'd at least give the vehicle in front a couple of flashes of his main beam to indicate his presence and requirement to pass. Doing so is hardly likely to alert the potential crooks at the petrol station from what sounds like anything up to a mile away now is it? Same goes for a quick spin of the blues.

You know, I rather rate most police drivers. I've seen many good examples of driving by them and by comparison only one chuck it away stupidly and spectacularly (in a less than month old Omega much to his pain I imagine) and only once nearly been hit by one due to blatant excessive speed through a blind bend.
What I really don't understand is why those who champion the police tirelessly seem completely blinkered to the fact that they are just as likely to display utterly abysmal roadcraft as any other road user on occasion. It happens, fact. Get over it. Why the need for all the 'what ifs' and 'it can't be true' nonsense? At time police drivers, in police vehicles, drive like idiots. They are not immune to the phenomenon of momentary idiocy. A case in point being the WPC driving the unmarked yet entirely obvious Astra in walking pace traffic, whilst holding her phone clamped to her ear, attempting to move across, without signalling, into a left turn lane from the adjacent straight on lane at a juction where the road layout had been changed months previously and had a sequence of 9 foot long arrows well in advance of the lane split to remind people to move to the appropriate lane in good time, and blatantly failing to adjust her maneouver in spite of the fact that the point at which her bonnet was entering the lane at a fairly acute angle was filled with my drivers door. I mean, it's really something when you have to sound your horn to warn drivers, occasionally even police drivers, who are behind you of their proximity to a collision with yourself. Actually then, best make that nearly hit by two.

Get real, chaps. We all get it wrong or do silly things sometimes. Blue lights on the roof don't make it impossible.



Was the petrol station one that sells coffee and hot snacks, maybe doughnuts, by chance, eal?

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Old 13th Feb 2006, 18:23
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Which was why I suggested 'having a word' with the 'Traffic' Chief. He (or she) won't want idiots getting the Force into disrepute. (I realise that the driver of a van probably isn't 'Traffic', but Noddies probably don't appreciate the need to DRIVE considerately.)
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Old 13th Feb 2006, 18:36
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Some of the worst, most dangerous (to my untrained eye) has been performed by policemen (and women) in marked and unmarked cars.


Truly they all deserve their nickname "top gun". And its not a compliment


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