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Suffering aggressive driving from an unexpected source.

Old 14th Feb 2006, 15:17
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Sorry Onan, I couldn't resist!!

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Old 14th Feb 2006, 15:51
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Originally Posted by Onan the Clumsy

...and no, I still don't think you should continue if the lights/sirens fail. I would be equally dead and equally unhappy about it were I to be shot by a robber or t-boned by a speeding motorist.

Lights and sirens confer no extra privilege anyway. Certainly not a right of way.


And having read of at least two people ticketed (via camera) for crossing a stop line against a red light, to let an emergency vehicle through - rest assured, I won't be moving like that any time soon.
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 15:55
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You can't win either way Pat... if you do that and I'm in the ambulance, riding upfront with a relative on board, I'll sue your ass for obstruction.

Seriously, if those two cases were upheld in court, the UK's problems are bigger than I thought.
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 17:19
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This afternoon I followed a 'Panda' through several junctions, where the Police uniformed driver turned left or right at every junction (never straight on). Not one single direction signal (for my benefit OR the benefit of oncoming traffic).
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 17:28
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Cut some slack, G-CPTN. It's hard to indicate whilst juggling steering wheel, mobile phone and a doughnut.
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 19:00
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Has anyone noticed how everything happens to G CPTN??

You wouldn't have been in a police car being towed by the 'panda' by any chance were you captain?

Hang on a minute, you weren't looking in your mirrors at the time and was actually being chased by the police car were you??


I wonder what the next thread will be in which this 'CPTN' will be personally involved in...
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 19:05
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Maybe if you got out a little more things would happen to you too....
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 19:17
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SRT, 21 posts so far today??... and you think I need to get out more??

Unfortunately I have Flu virus and have had to go home and this seems an appropriate way of passing the time! Whats your excuse?


Woops, its 22 now and most quite appropriately on the really really boring and totally pointless snippets of information thread.... How apt!
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 19:43
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Between contracts and bored.....
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 20:24
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I do think you may be guilding the lilly somewhat.
You would wouldn't you. Everything I stated, from my behaviour to his behaviour is as happened
I have never seen 2 vehicles in a position where if the front one touches his brakes, or, allows his vehicle to slow without breaking, then the driver of the rear one could not, if he was looking respond.
So, what you are saying is that it was perfectly and totally acceptable for this police officer to tailgate me in wet driving conditions? You are saying it was completely acceptable for him to drive so close to me that I could not see his headlights or his face in my rear-view mirror? Why am I not surprised?

Let's not forget that he did not continuously tailgate me. He dropped back, then came right up close again, an action that was repeated several times. So, any claims to emergency call surely cannot be true.

therefore, sense says, if its dangerous, pull over. let the danger go past.
You are clearly not reading the thread that closely. I have already stated that it was not, in my opinion, safe to do so. No doubt in bjcc's eyes, my opinion won't be good enough.
That means there are times, when you have to respond to make it safe, even though someone else wont/can't/isn't.
I did respond as safely as possible in the circumstances. Again, reading of thread appearing tricky for a certain member.
Had you not been one of the people who attacks police at any opertunity, I may be more inclined to believe you totally.
Yeah right. The criticism being leveled is at a police officer. Chances of you believing anyone in such an incident is remote. Oh, and I do not attack the police for the hell of it, there is always a reason. Sunday's event and your posts in response simply add fuel.

And to clarify once more, I had left the motorway, the policeman began to drive close to my car just after exiting the roundabout.
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 21:50
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I suggest you read post 13. That is the one I was commenting on, rather than 12 which was written by Grainger.

In post 13 you clearly criticise eal, in asking why he did not pull over. You cannot backpedal now and say you were just offering advice. The mangled grammar of the post serves only to emphasise teh short, critical tone of the post, as does the following point.

You don't criticise the policeman driving in such a dangerous fashion. This would be perfectly acceptable, you might feel that has been covered. Except for two points. First you are so quick here to criticise other people who claim to have any ability to judge the safety of their own driving, and secondly that you have a police background and a tendency always to comment on police issues and to back them instinctively. It can therefore be assumed that you would want to comment on their behaviour in this case, yet you are curiously silent.
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Old 15th Feb 2006, 01:00
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I don't think he has been silent at all. He has said, and repeated for those who didn't get it the first time, that he agrees that there are some bad drivers in the police force. Seems to me that while bjcc understandably comes to the defence of the police against what can become hysterical criticism, he does it in a very reasoned and moderate way, and some of the complainers could take a leaf out of his book.

Since you, Clowns, are demanding as usual people re-read your posts, there is a "curious silence" from you too in relation to the challenge I issued to you in Post #35. Remember, in response to your
Certainly complete garbage, and pompous as well.
? I wouldn't normally bother bringing it up, but since your whole method of "debate" is to attack the style of the opponent, question their ability to read and accuse them of failing to answer questions it seems relevant to point out the hypocrisy.
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Old 15th Feb 2006, 08:49
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Bins; I would have thought it's pretty obvious why high-speed chases are relevant to people outside the police force. Because we're likely to get entangled in them whilst driving along minding our own business, that's why !

It was bjcc himself who made the point that non-police drivers should assist in the chase by moving out of the way. He also rightly said that sometimes the nearest officer able to respond may not be the one with the highest driving qualification. Fair enough, how can you expect everyone to understand that rather subtle point if we're also being told that the subject is "not relevant" to us.

bjcc wants it to be relevant when it suits him (eal should have moved out of the way) but not relevant when it doesn't. That is the contradiction SC was pointing out.

And before you leap to bjcc's defence, I'm sure he's thicker-skinned than you give him credit for. I don't see why someone who described another's contribution as "rubbish" should be too offended at the word "garbage".
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Old 15th Feb 2006, 10:42
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Have you actually read post number 13? That was the one I was critical of. Where does it mention poor drivers in the police?

I had missed your post number 35. Strangely enough I do not concentrate my entire attention on PPRuNe, sometimes I am required to fly an aeroplane. Certain special forces in the military/intelligence have legitimate cause to follow other vehicles at high speed, as have customs officers. In foreign countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan then security guards might well need those skills. I'm sure a man of your imagination can work out a few more, remembering that no-one confined the use of these skills to the UK.
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Old 15th Feb 2006, 11:46
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Have you actually read post number 13?
And here I was thinking you had no sense of humour! Wonderful self-deprecating irony, Clowns. Err, it WAS irony, wasn't it?

OK, so you have invoked James Bond and your beloved military. Customs? Hmmm. I pass on that one; I suppose it's vaguely possible that in certain circumstances highly trained Customs drivers may legally indulge in high speed hi-jinks. After that it seems we are reduced to quoting Iraq and Afghanistan. Oh dear.

Yes, I did read post #13. Just to be sure I went back and read it again, and I agree with bjcc entirely. Apart from one situation where a car load of drunken youths were threatening to drive me off the road, I've never been in a situation where to slow down gradually, move off the road and stop would have constituted a dangerous manoeuvre.

It is quite clear to me that Mr.EAL does indeed harbour a large grudge against not only the police but anybody who would curtail his actions on the road in any way. I'm sure, Grainger, that bjcc needs no help from me. I wasn't springing to his defence, just adding my limited intellectual weight to his argument. It's oh so easy to rant and rave anonymously about police; so easy to describe, or even invent anecdotal adventures that suit your own viewpoint. I have had my problems with police over the years, but at the grumpy old fart stage of life I suspect that bjcc is correct in intimating that those who complain loudest and longest would be the same ones who complain loudest and longest when the police are not at their doorstep within three minutes of being called.

Just an observation, you understand. Not a basic truth.
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Old 15th Feb 2006, 12:08
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What is wrong with foreign parts? There are a lot of western civilians working out there. Why don't the security services count? They are not police, and that was the only criterion given. What you really meant is that you realise I actually can give examples, so you have to disparage them.

eal has shown no such grudge here. If what he is saying is true then the police were completely in the wrong on this, and far more dangerous than the majority of people breaking the speed limit. bjcc on the other hand has shown an instinct to attack non-police drivers here and in many of his posts. He shows elsewhere a tendency to defend police as an immediate response, and that showed in his lack of criticism of them in his first post here. So why are you criticising eal who did nothing illegal in the scenario described (unlike the police), and defending bjcc?
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Old 15th Feb 2006, 12:19
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You have indeed managed to quote examples, of something. I will keep in mind that next time you are discussing situations in the UK, perhaps Europe, perhaps even all of western civilsation, the specious introduction of what happens in Upper Volta or Kurdistan is an acceptable debating tactic.

Mr. eal is simply reaping the harvest of his many attacks on the road rules as he perceives them pertaining to him. This particular thread is not even necessarily included in that, but if he has exhibited a grudge in the past, that is relevant to the attacking position he takes in this thread. It may to the suspicious among us even, without suggesting this to be fact, raise questions about
If what he is saying is true.
Another hypothetical, you understand.

I answered, or debunked, your final question in my previous post.
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Old 15th Feb 2006, 13:31
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Originally Posted by Crepello
You can't win either way Pat... if you do that and I'm in the ambulance, riding upfront with a relative on board, I'll sue your ass for obstruction.
Seriously, if those two cases were upheld in court, the UK's problems are bigger than I thought.
Sorry? Sued for obstruction for obeying the law - don't think any court would allow that to go very far. There is no obligation in English law to move out of the way of a vehicle on blues'n'twos


These cases, along with most camera detected offences, rarely do go to court. A picture is taken, a form is sent to the registered keeper (or driver) to self-incrimnate him/herself and the cheery offer of a fine and points follows. It takes a lot of nerve to buck this automated system and force a court case.
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Old 16th Feb 2006, 12:43
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eal401,

Sorry for this slight thread hijack, but it's topical in view of some other comments here - perhaps the person who was chasing you was this guy :
Policeman faces motoring charges

... and I bet there's a heck of a lot more to that story
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Old 16th Feb 2006, 12:53
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