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Old 14th Feb 2006, 00:04
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My oh my how seriously you lot take things... My post was all tongue in cheek!!

But you seem to have missed some points...

Whirly... ''As I did so, a van behind suddenly decided to veer off the motorway after me. No indication or anything. He hovered in between lanes until I started indicating and then veered into my lane behind me. At the roundabout I went around to the right and exiting with the van following me. Shortly after the exit, the speed limit dropped to 50mph and I duly complied.The van driver came to what appeared to be inches from my back bumper (in the wet remember) to the extent that I couldn't see his headlights ''

Bit of a clue there. He had left the motorway.


G-CPTN I would be interested in knowing where you completed your driving course. Was it a sunday day course which so many average motorists claim to have done then quote doing the Police Advanced course? Also your info to 'check the head of traffics credentials' Will he or she have a document stating that they are the head of traffic? Simple answer... NO! And your terms for the officers are a very much as if they have come out of 'Life On Mars'

Onan... You talk so much carp!

Another thing you have to think of what happens if the fuse suppplying the kit goes u/s on the way to an incident. Should the driver not proceed with due haste without the use of the kit?

No, he should stop. It's ok saying there was a blag at the local GPO, but (1) there'll be other units covering it and (2) how ironic it would be to race silently to the scene, only to find it had ended peacefully except that on the way you broadsided someone's granny and killed them?'

Was there an incident where the granny was broadsided? Don't think from the origional post there was a suggestion of that.

Do you know there will always be other units going? What if they are in the other units were already committed? It happens and regularly!

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Why, if his 'antics' were so dangerous, did you not just pull over and let it pass.

Cos that'd be aiding and abetting Aiding and abetting what exactly??


If the other vehicle is causing danger, would the sensible option not be to get out of the way, let it pass?

What if you had a learner driver, or a bus load of blind orphans, or a train of donkeys being led to the seaside by a scruffy looking girl with an admirable physique? What then? Should you let a lunatic pass, or, by being a buffer between him and the underskilled or undercapable road user in front, might you not save them from their inevitable panic as they suffer under the intolerable behaivoir of the lunatic and thereby save the rivers of blood that would surely flow as a result of the ensuing carnage?

Reasonable doubt your honour. Reasnoable doubt is all I have to show and I believe I have shown it quite clearly.

No further questions m'lud.

Onan, you definitly need to take more water with it! A doctor should be able to assist with the oral dioreah too.


Still, there wasn't an accident and they all lived hapilly ever after!!
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 00:12
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Originally Posted by Whirlygig
From eal401's original post. I believe the M55 is a motorway.

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Whirly... ''As I did so, a van behind suddenly decided to veer off the motorway after me. No indication or anything. He hovered in between lanes until I started indicating and then veered into my lane behind me. At the roundabout I went around to the right and exiting with the van following me. Shortly after the exit, the speed limit dropped to 50mph and I duly complied.The van driver came to what appeared to be inches from my back bumper (in the wet remember) to the extent that I couldn't see his headlights ''

Bit of a clue there. He had left the motorway.
Jo Cover - isn't that the point I was making? I was fully aware it was a motorway. It was bjcc who said it wasn't in response to ShyT's post.

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Old 14th Feb 2006, 00:14
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As usual your "riding forth" in defence of your ex-brothers in blue whilst perhaps admirable is actually extremely naive and dare I say ignorant.

Why should EAL pull over and stop just because some tossers in Police van are driving like idiots behind him. He should have followed them to the gas station and given them what for. Naturally, you will be aware that law abiding drivers cannot do that because the Nazis can and will make their life hell. In other words as long as I am in a police car I can drive how I like, park where I like without sanction.

Abuse of power is what I call it

And by the way your comment " Assuming EAL is telling like it happened"" is blo*dy outrageous.
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 00:18
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Whirls.... Noooooo... the incident happened off the motorway. The van didn't start tail gating till after the roundabout!! Its in the origional post...
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 04:51
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What passion! Get a car out of its garage and the old brain chemistry alters instantly.

It's my interested opinion, that, police driving reached a peak in the late seventies. Since then, the work-load demands and financial constraints, have diluted a wold standard of pursuit driving. Furthermore, increased traffic congestion has caused the need for a total re-evaluation of the need for high speed chases.

Back to the main point of the thread.

There will always be the loose cannon of an officer that lets down his colleagues. Self importance and arrogance radiate from his driving. The car's body language shouts bullying.

I'm personally convinced, that until a few years ago, most of the ‘traffic' drivers have tried to uphold the old standards. What is bewildering is the seeming absence of these professionals on today's roads. In a conversation across the Atlantic this week end, a retired police driver was talking of his weeks of motoring without seeing any of his old departments vehicles. ‘Just revenue collecting cameras.' ( He thinks the same about these as the majority of us.)

It used to be that our police would come here to the States to train local police. I don't think that happens anymore.
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 05:42
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"As I did so, a van behind suddenly decided to veer off the motorway after me. No indication or anything. He hovered in between lanes until I started indicating and then veered into my lane behind me. At the roundabout I went around to the right and exiting with the van following me. Shortly after the exit, the speed limit dropped to 50mph and I duly complied. The van driver came to what appeared to be inches from my back bumper (in the wet remember) to the extent that I couldn't see his headlights! He then pulled to the right until his left headlight was almost against my rear right light cluster. Then he backed off a little. In the mean time, I carried on at 45mph, then slowing to 40 when the limit changed thus. I ensured there was adequate space between me and the car in front and maintained a steady speed."


So, it was on a motorway was it? I think you ought to read first, thank you Jo Cover.



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Please read post 12. Then show me where I implied anything about EAL. No, I didn't critise the 'actions' of police. Nor have I critised (in that post) anything about EAL. Just suggested the safe option, get out of the way!

Then read the last line of your topic 21.

After you have done that, consider your accusations against me.

Then sit back, and let them plug your chair in!
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 07:40
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Originally Posted by Whirlygig
From eal401's original post. I believe the M55 is a motorway.
Eal 401 said he had exited the M55 and at the roundabout turned right,from anyone who doesn't know the area this is a minor A road,narrow with nowhere to pull over to if you are going north upto Windy harbour and through Esprick.It has always had a reputation as an accident prone road and if the copper was local he should have known this and not been up EAL 401's arse.It is typical of coppers attitude today to do as I say not as I do.
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 07:50
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Why, if his 'antics' were so dangerous, did you not just pull over and let it pass.
To return to this point.

Why should I have done? I did take action in that I reduced speed and increased the gap between myself and the vehicle in front. Why should I do anything else if I do not consider it safe to do so? Quite frankly, I was concerned how any braking on my part not connected with normal driving might be taken!

Absolutely beggars belief that despite describing this behaviour, bjcc still manages to twist it to make it my problem and concern despite the fact that I was obeying the Highway Code to the letter. To be expected from him I suppose.

Oh, and as pointed out, to avoid confusion, I had exited the motorway at the point this all occurred.

And another thing, Mr Police Officer exited the motorway, negotiated the roundabout and turned off the main road with, as far as I could tell, no use of indication. Not that this will be considered a problem by certain individuals.
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 07:57
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off the motorway after me. No indication or anything. He hovered in between lanes until I started indicating and then veered into my lane behind me.
So this would be the slip road then?

ShyTorque - As far as the highway code is concerned, a slip road is considered part of the motorway
I've read the post - eal401, could you please confirm that the incident commenced on the slip road? 'Cos that's how it reads to me. If not, then I humbly apologise.

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Old 14th Feb 2006, 08:32
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There might have been a roundabout involved, but that doesn't mean that the road wasn't covered by motorway driving regulations.

For anyone who doubts this, consider the M23 exit at Gatwick airport.
You turn off the motorway on to the slip road, then you come to a roundabout, after which you have a dual carriageway (the one that leads to the new "Welcome to gatwick sign"

All of this, including the roundabout, is still classed as a motorway, until the end of the dual carriageway section, when you reach airport way.
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 08:46
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Originally Posted by Jo Cover
My oh my how seriously you lot take things...

G-CPTN I would be interested in knowing where you completed your driving course. Was it a sunday day course which so many average motorists claim to have done then quote doing the Police Advanced course? Also your info to 'check the head of traffics credentials' Will he or she have a document stating that they are the head of traffic? Simple answer... NO! And your terms for the officers are a very much as if they have come out of 'Life On Mars'
My reference to the Advanced Driving wasn't an attempt to establish that 'my hours are greater than yours', but was to establish how competent these guys are, even from the perspective of someone who is not just an average Sunday motorist, and no, my attendance wasn't on a Sunday, but during the course of the working weeks, and not just a one-day course.

With respect to checking credentials, I was hinting that asking to see a particular officer MIGHT get you fobbed-off by an ordinary officer. My correspondence to the Chief Constable was intercepted, despite being marked personal, and it was obvious that the CC never got to see it. (He had issued a comment stating that he had no knowledge of a particular situation, but would be pleased to hear . . . etc etc , yet his minions still protected him from receiving this information.)

My respect for TRAINED Police Drivers remains, as does my belief that many 'Police Drivers' are no different to the rest of society. I believe that bjcc confirmed that, and that was the basis (and extent) of my original comment.

To attract aggression from unexpected sources . . .

SOME Police Officers, in my experience, ARE from Mars, just like some members of the public (even some of those who PPRuNe).
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 08:48
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When I did my Advanced Driving course, I was taught that it is always my responsibility to make progress safely, not anyone else's.

The only person in the wrong here is the police van driver. It was his responsibility to drive safely behind the other vehicle and his responsibility to find a safe place to pass.

Blaming EAL for not moving over is a complete red herring. Especially from someone who was not there and could not possibly comment on whether it would have been safe to do so or not. In my experience, slowing down to let people pass usually results in a lunge at my rear bumper rather than a safe "right-angled triangle" overtake so no, it isn't obvious that would have been the right response.

Let's keep the blame where it belongs. Whether on a shout or not there is no excuse for tailgating and the other dangerous antics.
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 09:26
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With respect to checking credentials, I was hinting that asking to see a particular officer MIGHT get you fobbed-off by an ordinary officer. My correspondence to the Chief Constable was intercepted, despite being marked personal, and it was obvious that the CC never got to see it. (He had issued a comment stating that he had no knowledge of a particular situation, but would be pleased to hear . . . etc etc , yet his minions still protected him from receiving this information.)


Just like most large organisations I would suggest.

Looking at the whole thread it would appear to me that the van driver actually made it harder for him/her self. A smooth and efficient overtake is far better carried out for sitting back from the vehicle ahead to avoid sharp pulling out and possibly clipping the bumper or just losing control when having to rapidly straighten up again.

On another point it is very obvious that there are some very anti-police views on JB and also some that believe that the police can do no wrong. Using the term Nazi to describe them is pushing the rules of jet blast a little close to the limit I would suggest.
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 10:57
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I can't belive the bad driving of some pimply faced youth in a white van has provoked so much debate. Haven't you all got homes to go to?
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 11:29
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Ahh, CD, spot on. But you appear to have missed the salient point, the raison d'etre for threads involving driving skills or lack of same. That point is quite simply this; ALL of you bastards are hopeless drivers, and I can prove it by relating anecdotal incidents, which may or may not have any grounding in reality, but without exception they make me look good. There are occasional exceptions to this, like F1 test drivers and above, but I could be as good as them if I were given the chance.

You'll notice that the posters are almost exclusively male. When you look at it with an unjaundiced eye it's really quite funny. A bit like the strutting that goes on with any of the threads involving sex, or personal turnons, you know the sort. The male gender is an endless source of amusement.
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 12:02
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Thread drift

WHEN did it become de rigeur to close a road for considerable periods after a serious injury accident? This is an understandable precaution, but it never used to be the situation. WHAT triggered this sudden desire to collect every possible scrap of evidence? Presumably there is a 'procedure' which has to be followed? Is there a dispensation which allows 'trapped' vehicles to turn around and leave dual-carriageways and motorways, or do they have to 'stay put'?
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 12:23
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Good point there, G-CPTN. I recall a recent post elsewhere from a chap in Manila who witnessed an accident, followed by a shootout, leaving human and vehicle corpses at a junction. When he returned from shopping, just 20 minutes later - not a trace of the incident!
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 12:32
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Hey Jo





...and no, I still don't think you should continue if the lights/sirens fail. I would be equally dead and equally unhappy about it were I to be shot by a robber or t-boned by a speeding motorist.
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 13:00
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I don't think any one, having read this thread, again, has said it was down to EAL. What has been suggested by me, is that he pull over. He was quite admimant that driver of the van was dangerous, therefore, sense says, if its dangerous, pull over. let the danger go past.

In spite of what Grainger says, it is EVERY drivers responsibility to make the roads safe, That means there are times, when you have to respond to make it safe, even though someone else wont/can't/isn't.

EAL, I do think you may be guilding the lilly somewhat. I have never seen 2 vehicles in a position where if the front one touches his brakes, or, allows his vehicle to slow without breaking, then the driver of the rear one could not, if he was looking respond. There is a vast difference between that and locking up the whells and screeching to a halt. Had you not been one of the people who attacks police at any opertunity, I may be more inclined to believe you totally.
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Old 14th Feb 2006, 15:02
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