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Old 13th Jan 2006, 16:51
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Richard Branson and concorde...

When BA retired its Concordes a while back, Branson made a bid for them on behalf of Virgin - did he really stand a chance of obtaining them or was it just a cheap publicity stunt ? If this has been discussed somewhere on this giant website, can I be pointed to the thread. Thanks


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Old 13th Jan 2006, 18:05
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Cheap publicity stunt. Why does Branson remind me of Tony Blair??

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Old 13th Jan 2006, 18:35
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Both grinning flim flam artists?
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Old 13th Jan 2006, 21:44
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It's a smoke and mirrors act of twin brothers. Unlike Danny La Rue and Margaret Thatcher who were one and the same person.
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Old 14th Jan 2006, 06:57
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I (reluctantly) notice that Dickie's latest publicity stunt is a "Space Tourism" thingy.

The really sad thing is that the public seem to fall for his stunts.
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Re: Richard Branson and concorde...

Originally Posted by acbus1
I (reluctantly) notice that Dickie's latest publicity stunt is a "Space Tourism" thingy.
The really sad thing is that the public seem to fall for his stunts.
Indeed, he was on the telly a couple of nights ago when Horizon did a programme about space tourism. Tell you what, he doesn't half sound like Tony Blair when he speaks.

Anyway, he has seemingly sold plenty of tickets for the venture. I do think, however, that sub-orbital flight is cheating just a little bit. I mean, who determines that space starts at 62 miles anyway?
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Old 14th Jan 2006, 08:27
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I guess where gravity and the atmosphere have effectively disappeared, you can call it space?

You could send Tony B out first to check the conditions
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Well, perhaps but 62 miles is suspiciously close to 100km and if gravity and atmosphere disappeared bang on a round figure like that I would be very surprised...

Anyway, gravity doesn't disappear - it holds the moon in orbit and that is 250000 miles away (give or take a mile or two). No, to effectively call yourself a space tourist you've got to reach escape velovity and orbit the earth at least once. So you won't find me buying a ticket on Virgin Galactic just yet.

Mind you, like the idea of blasting Blair off into space...
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"Why does Branson remind me of Tony Blair??"

Because they are both fantastically successful ??????


"Danny La Rue and Margaret Thatcher who were one and the same person."


Except Danny La Rue was not evil !!
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I would like to point out that Richard Branson is a serial entrepreneur who has created a massive amount of wealth in this country, founded & suceeded with numerous enterprises, contributed an awful lot of tax to the exchequer & continues to use publicity to further his commercial enterprises, whilst Tony Blair hasn't & his missus has a clowns mouth.
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Steady on parapunter, I think that's a bit harse on Richard Branson.....
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Originally Posted by wiggy
Steady on parapunter, I think that's a bit harse on Richard Branson.....

You got me chocked up WIGGY
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Beware !!! Bill Clinton, as in "I did not have sex with monica" reportrdly said that our tony would make good secretary general of the UN. I suspect that Branson would do a better job though
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I agree with the pro-Bransonites on this thread. RB understands the media and gives them what they are looking for, and that is the main reason for his success in creating one of the world's leading brands.

He made BA look flat-footed time after time, and his image has dome good for United Kingdom Plc.
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I read the book Dirty Tricks about the BA war on Branson, and came to the conclusion that BA were using some very dodgy people and using techniques which were at best questionable. As such, BA were made to lood pretty silly. I notice that no BA sponsored book has ever come out putting their side of the story. Was that part of the court settlement or did BA just try to move on (credit to them if they did)?

Anyway I am pro Branson in this one. He has better media manipulation people than BA . . . . The Worlds Favorite Airline : my hat is it !!
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Old 14th Jan 2006, 13:51
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Parapunter......."and she has a clowns mouth" now THAT was funny

As for RB, top bloke i reckon.

Check out www.virgingalactic.com

The plan is to use Burt Rutan's X-prize winning Spaceship One programme. I saw an excellent programme on Discovery about it last week, it's an incredible idea and it works. Not sure i'd be too keen to go on the first one though!
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Re: Richard Branson and concorde...

Originally Posted by phnuff
"Why does Branson remind me of Tony Blair??"

Because they are both fantastically successful ??????

Err. No. That's not it. Have you travelled on a Virgin train recently?

Becuase both tell a good story and don't deliver might be it. Though Branson is a bit up on Blair here - his airline does deliver, even if his trains are [email protected]

But Concorde? Nice publicity grab, but with no type crtificate, C of A, or manufacturer support the aeroplane was never going to fly again. And offering the nominal pound for each one neatly ignored the many millions BA had invested in the fleet since taking them over from the government - including many millions per aeroplane on technical mods and cabin refurbishment following the post-Paris grounding alone.

The gullible many fell for it and that did his image no harm.

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Old 14th Jan 2006, 15:39
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.....neatly ignored the many millions BA had invested in the fleet since taking them over from the government - including many millions per aeroplane on technical mods and cabin refurbishment following the post-Paris grounding alone.
Well Boo Flippin Hoo for poor old BA. My heart bleeds for them.

Remind me, if you please, if the British taxpayer was involved at some stage.

Remind me, if you please, how much BA payed for the "purchase" of the entire UK fleet of Concordes.

Please reply soon, pretty please, otherwise I may not be able to stop crying for poorsy woorsy ickle BA.

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Old 14th Jan 2006, 16:32
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Acbus, climb back into your pram

Serveral million changed hands, I beleive, for the aeroplanes and the spares stock. And the operating loss the government had been funding was taken over by BA. But King had a plan now he was free of Government interferance in operating the aeroplane *- and the Concorde operation was re-vamped, with a seperate 'Concorde Division', run by a Pilot and with much higher fares and the start of the charter business. The aeroplane, from then on, turned a profit for BA.

But yes, the UK & French taxpayers did foot most of the aeroplane's dvelopment costs. But, given that there was no way it could ever fly again, please tell me why that is any reason to entaertain Branson's cynical claims?

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* Nice story of the time BA, led by Lord King, was negotiating the taking on of the fleet by BA with the Civil Service Mandarins, who were very loath to lose their hold on Concorde. King was sitting opposite the chief Mandarin, who said "with the flexible financing on offer, we can see no way that the operating of Concorde would be better under BA management than under government management".

King leaned across the table so his face was inches from the Mandarins, glared at him, and with calmly controlled rage said "I'll tell you why it will be better. You wont be at the fcucking table, that's why!"

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Old 15th Jan 2006, 07:11
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As I was saying......

Remind me, if you please, if the British taxpayer was involved at some stage.
Got a figure yet, in today's money? Hmmm?

"BA paid £1 for its Concorde fleet and the British and French governments wrote off the entire £1 billion development costs."

For "the British and French governments" read "the British and French taxpayers."
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