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Old 20th Oct 2005, 22:01
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Torturers are like animals.

They begin their misdeeds on the pretext to protect people from terrorism..............and they end sadistically taking the life or reason from innocent.

Their task is useless because tortured prisoners will say anything they want.

But more guilty than torturers are the politicians who allow it to be done: they are a disgrace for their country.

The only difference between Mugabe and Dubya in this area is the last has more power.
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Old 20th Oct 2005, 22:07
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Its a myth that people don't break under torture, plenty have done so in the past and given up all they knew,no doubt plenty will in the future, all Copernicus needed was a glimpse of the instruments.

The difficulty torturers would have with me would be getting me to shut the **** up.
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Old 20th Oct 2005, 22:31
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Sorry to disagree Grandapa – they might say anything the torturers want but if that’s the name and address of the bomb maker or explosives store or who’s been buying lots of chemicals it’s not useless.

Oh and Dubya isn’t torturing and starving his countrymen (well not many) Mugabi is.

TD – doubt if anyone could get you to do that.

Edited cause forgot smiley
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Old 20th Oct 2005, 22:36
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Also the American People don't need AK 47s to be rid of George, if that is what they wish, all they need is a pencil and the sense to put a cross on a piece of paper.
Come to think, thats all the folks in Iraq need to be rid of their president now as well.
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Old 21st Oct 2005, 01:17
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Now lets see here...I have Al-Zarqawi in my airplane....it does in fact have an openable door...said Zarqawi is trussed like a one of his victims he hacked a head off...all I have to do is put a portable O-2 bottle and mask on him....and loft him out from FL 510....over some very cold and deep water....NOPE! Too quick and easy.....Soueeeeeeee Pig! Soueeeeeeee!
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Old 21st Oct 2005, 01:44
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Before we get totally off tack – lets remember the same planes have been credited with getting “friendly’s” out – and I’ll be some of the places they’ve done this weren’t as nice as PIK or GLA and I get this strange idea that if the friendly’s hadn’t or aren’t got out they would think a trip to Morocco (etc) and then a few years in Guantanamo was a bit of a holiday compared with what they will get.

Suggest any campaign to stop the flights should make sure they stop the ones going the right (wrong?) way.
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Old 21st Oct 2005, 02:40
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The only difference between Mugabe and Dubya in this area is the last has more power.
Another flaccid outburst Gramps?

Love him or hate him, Bush doesn't sanction brutal rapes and murders by lawless savages or bulldoze the homes of the poor for poltical gain.
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Old 21st Oct 2005, 06:29
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Just like to say that I agree whole heartedly with Norman Stanley Fletcher's posting.

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Old 21st Oct 2005, 10:40
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I would like it to be known that I have removed my previous post which suggested Darth Nigel was an IRA supporter. It appears I was totally incorrect in that assumption and apologise unreservedly for associating him with such a band of evil thugs and murderers. I made a number of other comments within that post which I believe to be totally correct but have alas unwitting deleted the whole lot! Such is life.

To the moderator who wrote in red pen all over my post - thank you for brightening my day. It reminded me of being at school and made me feel young again! Even in the unmoderated world of Jet Blast, moderation exists! You described the accusation of being an IRA supporter as 'personal abuse'. I am delighted to see that within the hallowed world of PPRuNe some common sense does prevail and that you can say with such certainty that being accused of supporting the IRA is 'personal abuse'. Alas, out there in the world in which we live such certainties do not exist. There are many people who are delighted to be called IRA supporters on both sides of the Atlantic and consider it a privelege to be associated with their cause, aim and methods. In my zeal to confront such foolishness I incorrectly associated an innocent man with them - once again please accept my humble apologies Darth Nigel.
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Old 21st Oct 2005, 10:42
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I incorrectly associated an innocent man with them
Don't worry, a very common occurence when it comes to Northern Irish Catholics!!
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Old 21st Oct 2005, 13:31
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It was not your calling him an IRA supporter that provolked reaction but rather your lack of a basis for doing so.

Why hasn't there been more of an outcry from the media and the public? Has the BBC just not got the balls to put a nice fat item at the top of the 10 o' Clock news declaring what the CIA have been up to while being assisted by the government of the united kingdom. Its the kind of scandal that could bring down a government. Watergate style.
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Old 21st Oct 2005, 14:12
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Wingman863 - Just to clarify from your previous post, I did not label him a 'republican terrorist' but an 'IRA supporter'. There is a big difference between the two as the former would suggest an active participant in violent acts. As I have said, I was wrong to do so - but if you are going to criticise at least make sure you criticise something that was said rather than something that was not said.
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Old 21st Oct 2005, 20:59
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Torture efficacity...........?

I'm sorry to say I have some experience of discussing this subject:

In the 50s, French troops in Algeria used torture as a routine procedure with their Algerian prisoners (called "terrorists" of course).

At same time chiefs of staff used to deny this fact, and it was only after Henri Alleg (manager of leftist and pro independance newspaper "Alger Républicain") survived to beating, electricity, penthotal,........and had a book printed with the torturer's names ("La Question"), that truth became impossible to hide.

Then torturers apologist began to shout the louanges of "results" which had "prevented bomb attacks" in Algiers.

During this period a great part of French troops ( including a lot of servicemen) had been infected with this nazi ideology, treating prisoners like dogs.

It's only at the end of his life that General Massu said he "regretted" to have ordered torturing prisoners and acknowledged battle of Algiers could have been fought and won without torture.

This was said by a specialist!

Torture is the best way to level humanity to a bunch of animal, and it's also a justification for ytour own soldiers to be tortured too when made prisoners.

I appreciated much the attitude of French General De La Bollardière who refused publicly to endorse this dirty responsibility ( he was under arrest for that)............and now I pay respect to Mc. Cain's stance: thanks to men like him, USA disgrace will be cured I hope!
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Old 8th Dec 2005, 14:33
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Well, that's alright then Jack (Straw)...?!

Rice allays CIA prison row fears: Ms Rice has stressed that US interrogators are banned from using torture both at home and abroad.

European ministers are satisfied with Condoleezza Rice's explanation on the issue of alleged secret CIA prisons overseas, Nato and EU officials say.

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said the meeting was "very satisfactory for all of us".

Dutch Foreign Minister Ben Bot, one of those most concerned by the issue, also said he was "very satisfied".
Unfortunetly, Ms Rice was not able to stress, or even managed to mention, nor apparently was asked the real question: Once the suspected terrorists have been "thus rendered", what if (or when), the interrogator is not an American?!

Slimy politicians, they're all the same...
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Old 8th Dec 2005, 20:22
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We have only to guess...

...Why were they so shy?
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