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Old 1st Sep 2005, 18:19
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Police tactics in Cornwall

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Well, just back from a wonderful weekend in Cornwall, in which the police tactic of harvesting the tourist motorist was much in evidence. I am sure that parking a mobile camera, 50yds from the end of a 30mph zone near Camelford made a huge difference to the number of accidents on the roads. (I dont think I was caught btw).

Of course if they really wanted to make a difference they would do something about
1) The 38t milk tankers which thunder up and down single track roads at 50mph +
2) The number of people who still drive while holding their mobiles to their ears 3) The number of people who overtake in completely inappropriate places.
4) Those who consistently undertake and force themselves into gaps left betweeen the cars who are overtaking
5) The number of people who after about 10:30 pm take to the roads having put down 5 or 6 pints (and I saw it happen)

Of course they could also put some police on the streets, then maybe the lads I followed through Padstow on saturday would be less keen to talk about where they got their drugs the previous evening, and how much they paid.

But no, its a much better use of resources to sit a mobile camera at the side of the road and feed the bank balance.

I guess we have the police force we deserve !!

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Old 1st Sep 2005, 18:27
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Get a ticket, did we?

Law unfair, is it?

Don't worry, when you really need them they will be there and then you will feel better.
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Old 1st Sep 2005, 18:30
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Jump to conclusions, did we, before reading the post we're replying to?
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Old 1st Sep 2005, 19:38
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You're obviously no student of economics, yint. While it's true that speed cameras can't catch people who tailgate, who drive when drunk, who drive at night with their parking lights on, who pull out in front of you, who drive at the normal speed for the road but when there's thick fog, or who have headlights so badly adjusted that they dazzle everyone (to quote just a few examples right off the top of my head)...

...it's much cheaper than putting coppers on the roads.

Hence as tax/rate payers, we should all applaud the authorities' devotion to pecuniary wisdom. To claim otherwise is arrant socialism, which would bring SC out in a rash.
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Old 1st Sep 2005, 20:05
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On Anglia News tonight:

Neighbour dials 999 and reports scrotes breaking into next doors garage.

Police turn up just short of 24hrs later!

Nice one lads.
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Old 1st Sep 2005, 20:53
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Speed cameras do not exist for road safety, because they do not prevent speeding. (Speaking as someone who drives along a speed camera location road at the speed limit and see people howl past, slam on at the camera and speed up again. Not one statistic need manipulating for that proof.)

They don't even exist to make money.

They exist to keep the employees of so-called Road Safety Partnerships in work. If speeding was cut to zero, most of them would be out of work. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas after all.

Speed cameras are positioned to boost capture figures, hence positioning as stated in the original post.

In Preston, you'll get caught if you speed on dual carriageways with 50 limits etc. If you are in a busy residential street, you can usually do what you like as there will never be a camera there.

But the pro-camera brigade are so blinkered, they'll never, ever be convinced otherwise.
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Old 1st Sep 2005, 22:46
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Get a ticket, did we?
Law unfair, is it?
Don't worry, when you really need them they will be there and then you will feel better.
The sort of arrogant response one expects from one less well educated than yourself.

It sometimes helps to actually read what the other person has said Unwell Raptor. Your continued dislike of the general motoring public on here suggests a lot.

And you a Magistrate who is supposed to take an impartial view and weigh up all the facts ?
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Old 1st Sep 2005, 22:56
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No, Senor Raptor, as Dr Clowns observed, I did not get a ticket, but I did spend 4 nights sitting in a house 15 yds from a single track road watching 38T of Dairy Crest screaming along at a rate which means they could not have stopped in an emergency. I heard lads in Padstow talking about their drug purchases and I saw some crap driving from mobile phone using dingbats. etc. etc. etc. I also spoke to a women in a pub who told me that a couple of years ago, she heard people prowling around outside her house and the police could not offer any help for more than an hour and because she had a dog, (jack Russel), she would be OK. It was just refreshing to see the presence of a mobile speed camera helping make the world a safer place. Oh, except about 2 years ago, the owners of the garage next to where oit was parked, were shot by gunmen (it made national news) and do you know, there was not a bit of help provided by the speed cameras.

Sham sham sham. Nowt to do with Road Safety, everything to do with revenues. Lets lift the deception
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Old 1st Sep 2005, 23:01
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Just a tourist in the UK thus am free to make an observation about speed cameras. Month long visit and it became plain to this set of tired eyes....that speed cameras have absolutely nothing to do with speed control except within sight of the lens. The near misses I saw caused by the lead car jamming brakes on and the following car being caught unawares of the sudden stop for no easy to see reason alone indict the cameras.

Seeing the momentary decrease in speed....while one drives across the yellow stripes then the blast of exhaust smoke as the foot goes into the fan...suggests how silly the whole thing is.

Put Plod into a Panda car....or on a motorbike...or merely stood on the side of the road with a hand held radar....and let him write tickets all day long I say. Let him write tickets for all the violations he sees while patrolling or watching locations of accidents. (Plod does have pin maps or the computer equivalent don't they for identifying high accident intersections...highway segments...right?)

Big Brother is taking over and not doing any good for the money they take off society....pay for the police officer to get out and enforce the law...and make him mobile and unpredictable in his locations...then you are doing something about safety.

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Yes, I goofed all right, but the conclusions drawn therefrom are, to be succinct. wrong.
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Old 1st Sep 2005, 23:52
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Don't know if it's common in UK, but there was a craze here for 100 plus hot hatches to gather in car parks, do doughnuts, compare stereos, number plates etc etc.

Peelers (police) blocked off the carpark and nicked the lot of them.
hurrah.

Just one thing, if you go to the country, you've got to expect milk lorrys and tractors and horses and cows on the road. Cow may only be doing 4mph, but if you hit it at 30mph (within the speed limit), it'll still probably end up on the back seat.

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Old 1st Sep 2005, 23:58
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Foss, what exactly did they "nick" them all for? .......Having a car? Driving? Owning a car stereo? Illegal use of a car park??

I don't condone large groups of Hot-hatch owning Chavs tearing up and down the local high street, but if these guys (and girls) want to get together to compare Clio's and stereo's in a CAR park i really don't see the problem. Wouldn't it be boring if we all drove Mondeos....

Main point....

These so called "safety cameras" have nothing whatsoever to do with making our roads safer, they simply exist as a further tax on the already totally over-taxed British motorist.

I have personally witnessed two road accidents caused by the positioning of mobile camera's in vans at the road-side, on both occasions the drivers ahead saw the van late, braked very heavily, one lost control of his car and hit the central reservation the other was rear-ended by a vehicle that, while sitting fairly close, certainly wasn't tailgating.

The increase in these cheap to run camera's has directly led to a decrease in the number of "traffic" officers on the road and has further degraded the relationship between the motorist and the Police, I am now left with little or no respect for officers of constabularies who use, so called Safety Partnerships, "safety cameras" and "Talivans" to boost their income.

Interesting link:

http://www.abd.org.uk

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Old 2nd Sep 2005, 01:57
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I recently noticed something about parking tickets. In the town nearest my home, if you park in a council pay and display car park and are a few minutes overdue, you are very likely to get a parking penalty. The yellow-banded ticket slapping flunkies see to that.

However, if you park illegally on the public highway just ten yards away, your car never gets a second glance. Much better if you want to overstay your allowed time and completely free of charge.

Tell me - where is the road safety factor there?

We pay 75% of the cost of fuel burned in tax to travel to the place where one can park in a place owned by the council (and pay tax on that), shop in a place owned by government who obtain tax from shop rents and get us to pay more tax on goods purchased and more fuel tax to go home again. By staying longer to spend more on tax (to fill governent coffers for this week's silly project involving undeserving causes) we return to our cars to find even more tax owing.

As for cameras, I now can only nod in understanding each time I see another road tax revenue camera, or "road safety camera" as I think they now prefer to call them, burned out by the locals.

They have gone too far with them. When we all have twelve points and revenue income drops, what will they tax next? Farting too loudly?
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Old 2nd Sep 2005, 06:52
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but if these guys (and girls) want to get together to compare Clio's and stereo's in a CAR park i really don't see the problem.
I do. They used to gather in the car park by McDonalds in Leyland until it got closed off at night. Now they use the car park at the 24 hour Tesco. They park playing music loudly near where there are houses, or scream up and down the car park roads at 50-odd mph.

Tesco don't seem in the slightest bit bothered and neither do the occupants of the large building opposite labelled "Police Station."

At the end of the day, if someone's idea of a night out consists of sitting in a car park with a vehicle they have spent 2000 reducing the value of, they only deserve pity IMO.
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Old 2nd Sep 2005, 07:57
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but the conclusions drawn therefrom are, to be succinct. wrong
And those conclusions are ??

To my mind, it is that putting more police on the streets or actually available in cars to deal with real offences would make a significantly greater contribution to road and personal safety, rather than sticking a camera van where it can just nick a few hundred people for a technical offence.

Camera's have a place - stick them outside every school and lower the speed limits there to 20mph. They can then make a real contribution to road safety .
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ooooooOOOOooooo - it's a speed camera thread, ain't had one of them for a while.

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Old 2nd Sep 2005, 08:52
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50yds from the end of a 30mph zone
Yint, was that "inside" or "outside" the zone? If inside, guess it would catch those people who don't bother to slow down until the sign is passed.

How is a speed limit set? Is it a random process, or supported by accident statistics? If someone deems it necessary, is the average motorist sufficiently experienced in this area to challenge this decision? Once set, how should it be monitored? IMHO not much point in setting a limit and then "allowing" people to exceed it. "Unfortunately", the limit will apply to an entire stretch of road, not just those spots where its application may have significant benefits. Guess most drivers will speed on the perceived "safer" bits, and not slow down where it matters.

On a similar theme, we have campaigned for years to get a "controlled" crossing on a 30mph road through a residential area, where many parents cross to gain access to the local school. Currently "protected" twice daily with flashing amber lights. Although the 30mph limit is exceeded, as evidenced on the "rare" occasion where speed cameras are brought in, apparently we don't qualify for such a crossing, since the traffic levels (averaged over the full 24 hrs) do not justify this!
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Old 2nd Sep 2005, 09:14
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It was 50yds from the end of the zone.

How are speed limits set? That's a good question and not one I can answer. Certainly if you compare similar roads in terms of amount of traffic, how near footpaths are, how wide etc. one cannot help coming to the conclusion that they are set with the help of a random number generator.

When I started this thread, it was as a rant about the fact that in Cornwall, real policeing, involving people on the street (I saw none in 4 days around Padstow) and police in cars on the roads (1 on saturday evening at about 19:00), appears to have been abandoned while attention is given to just raising money with the mobile camera. I am not knocking speed camera's per say, I just would like real policeing and no camera's save lives sham.
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I suggest that the cases stated here, and our common experience, shows that your conclusion is wrong. The police are not always there when needed.

I must admit that they were fairly quick when someone tried to glass me last week in the pub, although the staff had called them a few minutes before and did not get there until after I had thrown him out of the pub with the help of a stranger. However they were not as quick as I would have liked to see, and did not even come in to ask what sort of trouble had been caused, so didn't know he had been violent. Not criticising the individuals, as they were probably too busy, but the system. Too much paperwork, too much pointless caution required, making them too busy to do their real job. I have a brother in the police, and know many of the frustrations heaped upon them.
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I wrote a lengthy reply, but lost the connection and the post.

They were using the landscaped carpark as a race track, using the seafront and the town centre one way system as a race track. Cars were going through shop windows and through railings.

They were mostly done for minor offences, no seatbelt, no tax, failure to produce documents, speeding, careless driving etc.

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