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Old 6th Apr 2004, 09:48
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Thumbs down Pilots banned from landing A380

Rumour has it that the insurance company taking on the A380s destined for Qantas has specified that the only accepted method of landing will be the full autoland.

Would you like to land your aeroplane once every six months, and then only in the simulator?
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Old 6th Apr 2004, 10:05
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Well now isn't that a rousing endorsement and proclamation of confidence???
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Old 6th Apr 2004, 11:18
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Knowing the qualities of the average autopilot landing vs the good old handwork I would almost agree with them...

Sounds like a wind up to me, one that fits in the Boeing vs AI rows. Boeing will initially claim that they want the pilot in charge and do not like this new thing (as they did with fly by wire) and in 5 years silently aprove it..
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Old 6th Apr 2004, 11:23
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Splendid RUMOUR
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Old 6th Apr 2004, 11:35
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Not suprised to see the Boeing v Airbus debate pop up on this thread. If there is any truth in it, it's ridiculous.
...I still would like to see them demo an evac on one in under 90 seconds. Has anyone seen the escape slides? On water they would make great sails.
I don't want to bash the A380, can;t wait to see them fly and all that, but is a lot of eggs in one basket...
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Old 6th Apr 2004, 11:51
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only accepted method of landing will be the full autoland.
What happens when you get a tech failure that means autoland is not allowed?

Will warning lights flash, horns sound and "Not Insured" flags spring out all over the dashboard
 
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Maybe it is only for QF Bangkok services ???

Was bad enough driving and putting over the 747 last time I hear
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Old 6th Apr 2004, 12:22
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The A380's FBW-system will be quite similar to all the other Airbus types used today. Type conversion from A340 is like ten days or something. There's not too much difference in handling it aside from a heavier and bigger a/c. (Mind you the A340-600 is longer) Why should some insurance company suddenly request new procedures?
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Old 6th Apr 2004, 13:09
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What I want to know is once you guys are no longer on the flight deck who is going to feed the dog?
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Old 6th Apr 2004, 13:19
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...and simulator manufacturers are so concerned about A380 pilots being out of practice with manual landings , that the only landings allowed in the simulator will be full autolands...

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Old 6th Apr 2004, 13:38
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Sometime in the future ( maybe ) -

"Ladies and gentlemen, welcome onboard this fully automated aircraft. Utilising millions of line of software, the flight control computers manage every aspect of the flight; Nothing can go wrong.... Nothing can go wrong.... Nothing can go wrong...."
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Old 6th Apr 2004, 13:53
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Re your comments on the evac slides, you are incorrect.

All pax in premium classes are supplied with parachutes for a ground evac. All other pax are expected to make their way to the lower deck via McDonalds to use the firemans pole.

Just thought I'd clear that up.

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Old 6th Apr 2004, 15:11
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The evac slides will be cushioned at the bottom with a massive bunch of sour grapes supplied by Boeing.
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Old 6th Apr 2004, 15:16
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TURIN,

Not even grapes will slow you down when your going 30 miles per hour with a 3rd degree burn on your arse. Oh and watch out for the Fat heffer with heels right behind you.
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Old 6th Apr 2004, 15:26
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And I suppose diversions to anywhere that doesn't have a serviceable CATIIIA/B approach will be banned? Insurers surely will prefer the world's number 1 smoking hole/steaming splash to letting the pilots ignore the dog!
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A few days late, but this thread is a really good wind-up.
8/10.
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Old 6th Apr 2004, 16:34
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Maybe they can fit Winalot dispensers in the cockpit, so the pilots can be dispensed with altogether.

Seriously, though, the regulatory authorities will never go along with this and insurers requirements will not take priority over the Australian CAA (or any other such authority). No way will they accept such a condition.
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Old 6th Apr 2004, 17:53
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Is there even a Runway in Australia with a LOC / GP certified below Cat I minima?
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Old 6th Apr 2004, 18:15
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The perfectly obvious solution to this is to add a bit more automation.

Firstly, cover the flight deck windows so problems from those nasty bird strikes and hailstones are history. Substitute some nice high-resolution screens in the same general end of the FC compartment. Ergonomics, after all, are very important.

Secondly, include a bang-up version of Flight Sim as integral part of the basic instrumentation package. A panel switch can select among Manual, Auto, and Auto Sim. Rather than wasting the flight crew's valuable time waiting quietly during the autoland, they can practice approaches and gain valuable sim time concurrently. If the aircraft wants crew help for any reason, it can alert them and then seamlessly switch the Pilot Simulating over to Direct Control.

This way Airbus is happy, the dog gets watered, the aircraft doesn't have to put up with a lot of unexpected manoeuvers, and the flight crew are still available for handling paperwork.

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