Nick 1

https://www.aerotime.aero/rytis.bere...fety-criticism

Flapsupbedsdown

Non ho mai usato questo termine prima: MERDE

bannatemi pure!

Nick 1

In un mondo perfetto , non si presenterebbe nessuno....

JulioJet995

In realtà loro non hanno mai chiuso le applications... hanno le pool piene per i prossimi trent'anni credo.

TheWrightBrother&Son

Non sono gli unici

https://www.eurocockpit.be/news/hall...during-covid19

Del resto ad ogni crisi vengono fuori i fatti appena dietro le belle apparenze e ogni volta è come scoprire l'acqua calda, eppure pur sapendo che è calda ogni volta è sempre più calda del caldo che ricordavi, e oltre ad essere calda in effetti è pure acqua di fogna

shinners

avevamo fatto le selezioni tempo fa quando stavano assumendo tantissimo......dei rated con experience ne hanno preso 1 su 40, dei cadetti entravano la maggior parte...... e questo già mi dice che vogliono gente che paghi....adesso sarà perfino peggio

giord

Ma parlate di quella compagnia che a comandanti con esperienza di 320 preferisce prendere primi ufficiali anche senza nessuna esperienza di airbus e metterli direttamente a sinistra perché si devono pagare tutto ?

Flapsupbedsdown

Anni addietro non fui accettato alle selezioni perche non avevo ancora convertito da jaa a easa causa arretrati enac, 8000 ore comando 3000 a320 fam.🤣🤣 12000 totali. Ma cosa vogliamo ancora dire!!

Ramones

Oggi ho ricevuto via mail una “offerta” da una major Chinese
2500$ +500 transport +500 house al mese più 250$ per ora volata. Concludeva dicendo : a great offer in these days

mau mau

ciao, scusa la curiosità, però mi incuriosivano questi numeri. Quante ore di volo si fanno all’anno in questa major? Ipotizzo 800? Sarebbero 200.000$ solo di ore di volo a cui vanno sommati i fissi citati, 42000$ all’anno per un totale quindi di 242.000$ all’anno. Sono pochi soldi oppure si può definire una cattiva offerta? Chiedo per curiosità, per capire come mai.

Ramones

è propio li la trappola , prima era 20k$al mese con 80 ore garantite .
ora , che in Cina si vola 30 al mese se va bene lo stipendio diventa molto più basso.
in più a meno che non vai a vivere in una bettola 500 $ al mese di housing fanno ridere.
Im più prima potevi scegliere un mese in uno off e portare a casa comunque 180k all anno

inoltre ci sono le tasse da pagare e le “multe”

Nick 1

Infatti alla fine dei giochi, sono le multe che fanno lo stipendio , anzi che non lo fanno...

mau mau

Grazie delle spiegazioni, quindi se ben capisco in Cina ti pagano 30 mila al mese ma quella offerta a conti fatti, ti propone qualcosa come poco piu di 16.000 al mese e quindi non conviene. Io non conosco nessun cpt in Europa che guadagni queste cifre, potreste spiegarmi come mai non conviene? Le “multe” in cosa consistono? Scusate ma del mondo cinese non conosco nulla a parte gli involtini primavera che non mangio più da anni.

Nick 1

Mau, premetto che non sono mai stato in Cina , ma gia’ solo leggendo che cercano , o cercavano ,continuamente secondo me significa che la cina non e’ per tutti . Specialmente per chi pensa di trovare un ambiente lavorativo come in europa ed essere pagato un sacco di soldi.
Visite mediche , Atpl cinese , simulatori ,check con istruttori locali , non ultimo il fatto che tutti fumino in cockpit, condito dal fatto che giustamente sei straniero quindi ,zitto e pedalare , controllori che non accettano tagli in caso di maltempo , multe per ogni stupidaggine etc.etc.
Guardacaso che cosa mettono i recruiter come primo punto ? 25 mila dollari !!! Mica turni ,qualita’ della vita sociale , etc.etc.
Io quando mi trovo a pensare di poter andare da quelle parti ,mi guardo due video di Fabio Selva - China Life , e apprezzo anche la periferia piu’
degradata dalle mie parti.

sonicbum

mau mau per quanto mi riguarda ho pensato alla Cina varie volte nel corso degli ultimi anni ma "fortunatamente" ex-colleghi/amici che mi hanno preceduto mi hanno rapidamente fatto cambiare idea. Certo ho anche conosciuto chi ci si è trovato bene e ormai ci vive da tanti anni (e parlo proprio di mainland China, non fuori) ma le mie statistiche vanno nella direzione che ha spiegato Nick 1

mau mau

Ignoravo la storia delle multe. Dopo che me l’hanno spiegata, sono rimasto shokkato. Pare il telequiz “la scossa”

negativeclimb

Cioè del tipo? Mi hai stimolato la curiosità...

Nick 1

Una a caso da AirlinePilotForum:

”
Yes its true. You can make oodles of money here in China. I as a E190 driver make more than any widebody captain in the US, and
I have over 18 weeks paid holiday a year plus normal days off.

But there is a natural economy to this and its not the gleaming diamond you think. Your vision is of your life now, today, as it is, with all its comforts, cleanliness, proximity to friends and family, in a system you are familiar with, where everyone speaks your language and understands your culture.

This is my second contract overseas and I can tell you why we make this kind of money.

We have less job security and no seniority list. If there is any hiccup we are the first to go. We are the outsiders and the locals always remain. We have no pension. This is not a permanent gig. There are some longer term contracts but the company has no interest in keeping us on payroll any longer than necessary.

Kids pee on the street 10 meters from a bathroom, people spit everywhere, I see have seen people laying a nice brown heap on the sidewalk. I live in a country that not only has cornered the market on plastic toy exports but all the super infectious germs resistant to antibiotics. A place that routinely is polluted so heavily that you can stare directly at the sun without squinting.....if you can see the sun. A place where purple industrial waste lays meters from farmland. An economy so self driven that it mirrors Dante's Inferno's passage where no one can escape because everyone pulls each other down to get ahead.

A place where there are three kinds of alcohol. Fake, not so fake, and almost real. An underground that reuses cooking oil into infinity and buys bottles from authentic international places to re-bottle them with fake hooch. Unless you pay 3x what it costs normally you are not really drinking alcohol and even then that is not a guarantee.

The chemicals in everything you eat is life shortening. A country where just the simple task of getting to Facebook requires special "tunnel" program to circumvent the great firewall of China. Initially for 2-3 months you will heave all the colours of the rainbow until you are used to the bacterias of the East. Cleanliness is next to Godliness and most Chinese don't believe in God so they don't believe in Ajax either. One rag to rule them all cleans your bed, your floor, your toilet, your dishes.....in that order. The best overnight hotels are in comparison with the worst ones you have ever stayed back home.

There is bare minimum communication. Almost no one outside of Shanghai and Beijing speaks even broken English. Hong Kong does not count because lets face it....that's not Mainland China. Even fewer people read English. None of my ground crew speak English. There is a target on your back for you passport and your money. The first questions asked are...Are you single, do you have children, do you want children, where do you work, how big is your house, how much money do you make. Really, after what is your name these questions are the immediate follow up.

I have a 3 man cockpit in an E190 to keep me going through to 16 hours or more every day. I get holidays but even when I am off half the month I am burning 80 or more flying hours in two weeks. There is no 30/7 rule here only 100/month. Routinely the pilots time out at 1000 hours per year. The delays in summer mimic EWR. The ATC outside of Shanghai and Beijing barely speaks English and on runway 27 it is normal to be flying a 090 heading, off any charted approach on vectors, and have the controller say..."cleared for the approach". You are ATC. My ICAO English examiner could not understand what I was saying.

Your F/Os while smart are 200 hour wonder pilots. And when I mean 200 hours I mean they just checked out and this is their first jet airplane. The last thing they flew was a C421 for 40 hours. In my initial sim the F/O who didn't speak English did not give a call about my speed during takeoff roll. The sim tech put in a windshear and airspeed had stagnated and I had already transitioned to outside reference before V1 above 100 knts. The F/O said nothing. As we overrun I shoot a glare to the F/O and he says something in Chinese. The translator says "He says he is sorry he never saw this situation before"

Your FOM makes no sense-----Its all Chinglish.....

"The regulation of using checklist is the valuable experience of what had
happened before with high cost and scientific treasures summarized from
the bloody accident. The operation of checklist is used to standard
behavior, strict operation, detailed procedure, and it is the valuable
treasures of preventing mistakes and important tool of assuring flight safety."

The checkrides are old school. Multiple failures. I've had my RAT out single engine with a multiple hydraulic, screen failure, anti ice failure, decompression, Electrical malfunction all at once with an F/O who does not speak English. I've flown V1 cuts IN THE AIRPLANE to 500 ft circling patterns with a hood. Engine failures at 400ft and securing the engine by 1000ft is challenging and can be done but not when you need a translator to get it done. You make your own procedure and get it done by 1000FT. People add weight to takeoff performance when clearly the English says SUB or Subtract. But they don't know English.

Line Check Airmen can be old school military to completely not knowing a damn thing about the SOP. There are good pilots but few who can fly or know SOP.

The medicals are extremely difficult overseas. Everything from balance tests, blood tests of more than 45 criteria from white blood cell counts to blood sugar levels. Vision, periphery, depth, puffer, grip tests, EKG, EEG, brain scans, ultrasounds, reflex, ears nose throat tests, and many other probes. Half the people don't make it past the medical.

Many people leave after the first few days unable to cope with the culture shock. This is not Hong Kong or Shanghai. This is Mainland China where people smoke in hospitals and there is no such thing as pedestrian right of way....even on the sidewalks.

Most importantly you should never bring your kids here unless you appreciate them eating arsenic. The pollution is terrible. It is beyond terrible. Its hazardous. The US Embassy advises no to go out side for any period of time many days of the year in my city. Where the distributors know that imported food is in demand they counterfeit everything and even that imported Sunkist label is a knock off. Marriages crumble with the distance, children are seen twice a year and those who do commute back and forth age so quickly you encourage them to double up on life insurance.

Expats drink a lot to deaden the loneliness and pain. I've seen people who didn't drink put away a 5th a week.

There is no Meetup group or speed dating. This is make your own a la carte.

This is just the tip of the iceberg and I have mentioned almost nothing about the real cultural differences.

It could work out for you. You could marry that stripper and everything will work out. But the odds are you are looking at a disaster on your hands and that my friends is why I make more than the most senior Delta captain who comes home to his family every week.


China does not have the experienced captains that take 10 years of training to mold out here. And in all Asian countries its about 10 years. With foriegners reluctant to move here because of all these and other difficulties I am a drop of water in a desert.”

mau mau

Era un quiz in tv , sulla rai se non ricordo male, dove il concorrente partiva con un capitale ed ogni errore partiva la scarica elettrica (virtuale) che decimava il capitale iniziale.

shinners

la ghigliottina?