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Ryanair cancella voli per mancanza di piloti

Old 15th Dec 2017, 16:06
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Scusate l’ignoranza ma cosa sarebbe il blogghetto?
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 16:55
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E' un simpatico forumetto che si autoproclama riferimento nazionale per l'aviazione e in cui gli amministratori se ne escono con frasi del tipo: "[...Sonicbum, a leggere qui e poi commentare con gli amichetti di là hai veramente rotto i coglioni...]". Praticamente solo loro hanno il diritto di leggere qui e commentare di là, vorrebbero imporre il loro pensiero anche agli utenti degli altri forum oltre che ai loro, hanno alle loro dipendenze un paio di troll che sembrano pagati per far degenerare in flame i threads a loro scomodi, insomma un forum tipo quello gestito da marciano' dove o scrivi le cose che piacciono a loro o sei un sindacalaro (parafangaro) e ti buttano fuori
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 17:11
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 17:13
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Scusate ora non posso rispondere perché sono dalla parrucchiera, poi vi dico di cosa abbiamo parlato.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 18:10
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Solita eleganza, di la sfottono, bannano e criticano quello che si dice di qua, ma se avviene il contrario si rompono le palline...
Comunque, poche balle, è il forum di riferimento...di una malcontata dozzina di autoreferenziali, ma lo è! A Cesare quel che è suo.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 18:22
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chi glielo dice al prof che Ryan e' scesa a patti con ANPAC?
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 18:39
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pure un amministratore da ragione ai sindacati e torto a ryan e al solito prof.
se le lettere non fossero state vere il MOL non avrebbe fatto passi verso i sindacati caro mio amministratore di bloggetto

chissa' se il nome sul logbook era vero o falso ahahahah
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 20:40
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Il finto ragazzo volante si è traccanato una boccia stasera...
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 21:09
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Vorrei chiudere con questo off topic visto che si parlava di ben altro in toni pacati e mai offensivi verso chicchessia, anzi sfido chiunque a dimostrare il contrario.

'Enriché "avete preso per il **** un nostro forumista" lo dici a qualcun altro perché o fai nome e cognome del responsabile del fatto che descrivi ed il tuo forumista coinvolto si tutela come meglio crede oppure stai facendo delle sparate diffamanti ad una categoria di professionisti a cui girano non poco le palle nell'essere inclusi nelle tue gravi accuse. Capiamoci.

Fine OT, scusate.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 21:20
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Comunque non so voi, ma io trovo che il tempismo di FR sia strategicamente geniale.
Sarebbe stata una "concessione" dovuta per legge, messa così sembrerà un atto di carità e di benevolenza. Speriamo se non altro che la volontà di trattare sui temi più importanti sia reale.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 21:35
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Originally Posted by South Prince View Post
Oggi anpac ha proposto i girotondi a bgy.
Politici che non sanno quello che dicono perchè impreparati, giornalisti che sbraitano, davvero uno spettacolo poco edificante, e di mezzo ci andranno quei poveracci che credono al sindacato.
Gli equilibri, al tempo, erano però diversi.
ANPAC aveva di fatto un piede ( se non tutti e due ... ) in AZ. Di fatto non si trattava di rappresentanza e tutela ma di veri e propri rapporti di forza per spartirsi torta e poteri, i dipendenti, o almeno la maggior parte di essi, contavano poco.
Questo in FR io credo non sarà mai possibile, non tanto perché i dipendenti non si faranno certamente prendere per il naso, quanto perché - conoscendo il "management style" - dubito che quest'ultimo, giustamente, possa accettare una cosa del genere. Prova ne è il fatto che una delle condizioni poste dalla Compagnia sia quella di interloquire solamente con commissioni composte dai propri dipendenti e senza intermediari. Il che, onestamente, non mi sembra un'idea malvagia, in tal senso il Sindacato diventa il mezzo della rappresentanza e non un modo per farsi i c***i propri fottendola. Ma magari sbaglio. Anche perché qui, in primis, bisogna vedere se c'è una reale volontà di sedersi ad un tavolo e trattare veramente, a prescindere da chi sia l'interlocutore ...
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 07:58
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Originally Posted by EI-PAUL View Post
Comunque non so voi, ma io trovo che il tempismo di FR sia strategicamente geniale.
Sarebbe stata una "concessione" dovuta per legge, messa così sembrerà un atto di carità e di benevolenza. Speriamo se non altro che la volontà di trattare sui temi più importanti sia reale.
Può essere, ma solo agli occhi di chi fruisce del servizio; se in FR le cose non cambiano la “concessione” varrà nulla e sarà tutto da capo.
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Old 29th Dec 2017, 20:11
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Ryanair enters uncharted territory after year of turbulence
Budget airline set to begin talks in earnest with unions representing pilots

Ryanair calculated the cost of recognising organised labour at €100 million a year. Photograph: Bernd Settnik/AFP/Getty Images
Ryanair calculated the cost of recognising organised labour at €100 million a year. Photograph: Bernd Settnik/AFP/Getty Images

Barry O'Halloran
Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 17:00

Ryanair flies into uncharted skies in January when it begins talks in earnest with unions representing pilots and prepares to do the same, ultimately, with other staff.

The airline reversed its long-standing policy of not dealing with organised labour to avert strikes in the Republic, Germany and Portugal, shortly before Christmas.

Through the first week of January, it will meet the Irish Airline Pilots’ Association (Ialpa) – part of Impact – German pilots’ union VC and the British Airline Pilots’ Association (Balpa). The Portuguese, Italian and Spanish equivalents will follow later in the month.

Ryanair is already over the first hurdle as far as Impact-Ialpa is concerned. The union’s spokesman, Bernard Harbor, confirmed before Christmas that the airline had committed in “black and white” to recognising the organisation for collective bargaining purposes. The second meeting between the pair – scheduled for January 3rd – will be about getting down to the brass tacks of this.

With VC, Ryanair has a different challenge on its hands. The union and airline clashed at their first meeting on December 20th and the Irish company’s directly-employed German pilots held a four-hour strike on Friday, December 22nd.

The crux of the row was that Ryanair did not want to deal with one of VC’s company council members. These are union reps working for the airline. The carrier maintained that the individual at the centre of the dispute was not elected, did not work for the company and was suing it.

VC warned that Ryanair could not dictate the members of its negotiating team. Nevertheless, both remained committed to meeting on January 5th. While Ingolf Schumacher, head of VC’s industrial department, questioned Ryanair’s commitment to recognition following the row, the union said it would initiate contact with the airline following its stoppage and intended to meet its representatives in January.


Culture clash

Sources suggest the union does believe that airline is sincere about working with the organisation. “It’s a cultural clash really,” says one. “Ryanair want to do things their way and control the negotiation, while VC have their own way of doing things.”

Ryanair will also meet Balpa in early January. On the face of it, this should be straightforward. The British union was among the first to welcome the airline’s commitment to recognition. Its general secretary, Brian Strutton, subsequently noted that the organisation had “useful” initial talks with the company’s chief operations officer, Peter Bellew.

While Balpa was organising a Ryanair company council, it was behind its Irish and continental counterparts and had not reached the point where it was weighing industrial action.

Investors have been having trouble working out what all this means. A sell-off that followed Ryanair’s announcement that it would recognise unions knocked €2 billion off its value over two days’ trading. The shares hit a low of €14.21 at one point before breaking back through the €15 mark about a week later. However, that was still short of the €17.00-plus mark where the stock had been trading.

Analysts said the markets were trying to digest the likely cost of the move and the impact of other factors such as a possible loss of flexibility. The company calculated the cost at €100 million a year.

Ryanair’s decision was rooted in the drama that followed the airline’s announcement in September that it would have to cancel thousands of flights. A rostering breakdown had left it without enough pilots to operate all its craft.

The airline ultimately ironed out the difficulty by the end of the month. However, the genie was out of the bottle by then. Pilots began campaigning for a new collective bargaining system to replace the employee representative councils that negotiated for staff at each Ryanair base.


They established a new European Employee Representative Council which sought to negotiate for Ryanair’s 4,000-plus pilots, with the backing of unions in each of the countries where the airline operates, including Ialpa.

November woes

During November those unions wrote to Ryanair and its chief executive, Michael O’Leary, urging the company to begin talks with named pilots, who made up the company councils in each organisation. After the airline refused, they began preparing for industrial action, beginning with Ialpa, whose members began balloting on December 7th. As the strike threats mounted, Ryanair announced that it would recognise the unions for collective bargaining purposes.

While Ryanair will continue to grab headlines, 2018 promises to be an interesting year for at least one rival, Norwegian Air International. The Irish-registered carrier began offering cheap flights to the east coast of the United States from Belfast, Cork, Dublin and Shannon midway through 2017.

This was part of its parent Norwegian Air Shuttle’s push to establish a low-cost long-haul business tying Europe with the US and Asia. However, the airline’s rapid growth was making investors nervous. Analysts said it was heading for operating losses of about €150 million in 2017.

There were suggestions that it would sell its Irish-based leasing arm, Arctic Aviation Assets, which has a fleet worth €1.5 billion, to raise cash. However, the company subsequently pointed out that this was seen as an option only in the longer term. The group, led by chief executive Bjorn Kjos, remained bullish about its prospects for 2018 and beyond.
© 2017 THE IRISH TIMES
Articolo da The irish Times, sulle ultime di Ryan Air
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 14:41
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Oggi a Busto Arsizio, è stato emesso il dispositivo della sentenza che ha visto riconoscere la condotta anti sindacale da parte di Ryanair...
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 00:28
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"rifiuto di fornire le informazioni stabilite dalla legge italiana per le imprese operanti in territorio italiano"
Dunque la sentenza certifica pure il fatto che Ryan opera regolarmente e stabilmente in Italia...
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Si.....
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 09:09
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Se vi aspettavate grandi richiami dai giudici credo rimarrete a bocca asciutta, fr sta concludendo gli accordi sindacali.
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Tempo al tempo...
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 10:58
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Se vi aspettavate grandi richiami dai giudici credo rimarrete a bocca asciutta, fr sta concludendo gli accordi sindacali.
Si, però il Giudice non ragiona in maniera retroattiva e credo ( mi auguro anzi ... ) che se più di una violazione è stata accertata, essa venga poi punita a prescindere dal ( presunto ) ravvedimento di chi l'ha commessa ...
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Originally Posted by EI-PAUL View Post
Si, però il Giudice non ragiona in maniera retroattiva e credo ( mi auguro anzi ... ) che se più di una violazione è stata accertata, essa venga poi punita a prescindere dal ( presunto ) ravvedimento di chi l'ha commessa ...
Ma povero Paese, il giudice si affida alle testate giornalistiche e ai sindacati per risolvere controversie altrimenti di competenza del Ministero Ma dai, siamo davvero ridicoli, dov'e' il Ministro che dovrebbe fare un c... cosi a chi non rispetta le regole sul lavoro? Il paradosso è che se gli Irlandesi non avessero fatto autogoal tutto sarebbe ancora come prima.
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