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Old 16th Jun 2007, 19:50
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Indagine Condizioni Di Lavoro

Ultimamente ho letto un po' di fesserie e malainformazione sulle condizioni di lavoro nelle varie compagnie dei frequentatori del forum, propongo di fare come in un forum inglese e di postare qui (senza commenti personali) i numeri circa stipendi, ore di volo, ferie, benefits, turni etc. nel modo + schematico possibile cosicche' ci si possa tutti fare un'idea propria.

Buona lettura.
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Angel Tempo fa...

Qualcuno ci aveva già tentato, con scarso successo TF, non so se l'avessi già visto, ecco...

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Non volevo parlare solo di cifre ma dell'intero pacchetto.
Iniziero' io allora:
Compagnia: grosso contractor internazionale
Posizione: Cpt.
Stipendio medio: 10-13mila/mese
Turni: in genere 1 settimana ON ed 1 settimana OFF (+ o - 1 giorno)
Ore volo: da 70 a 100 al mese
Ferie: 40 giorni/anno
Benefits: biglietti e alcune convenzioni (assicurazioni,car rental etc.)
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1)Airone
2)F/O
3)3500/4000 euro
4)8-10 riposi al mese (ormai 8 di norma) senza uno schema fisso settimanale e capita di fare 6 giorni consecutivi seguiti da 1 off e altri 5 on
5)in genere circa 75 ore al mese con il triplo delle ore di servizio
6)28 giorni di ferie che non si fanno mai e finisci con mesi di ferie arretrate dopo qualche anno
7)fondo volo,assicurazione medica,biglietti e possibilita' di iscriversi a previvolo pagando una parte
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1)Grande compagnia straniera
2)FO
3)4000 (da verificare perché non ho ancora percepito uno stipendio "intero")
4)10/11 giorni al mese, normalmente 4on 1 o 2 off, a volte 5on 2 off, per contratto non si possono fare 6 giorni consecutivi
5)queso mese 101 ma la norma sono 75 ore, circa il doppio di attivitá. Nello stipendio sono comprese 70HB/150HL se si passano questi limiti pagano un extra
6)33 giorni/anno con piano ferie e settimane assegnate attraverso un sistema di punti
7)Assicurazione di perdita della licenza, biglietti ID, ZED e Travel Partner. Diverse convenzioni con varie aziende
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Ragazzi .. mi spiegate che senso ha questo thread se non scrivete il nome della compagnia per la quale lavorate.. o cmq della quale state dando le informazioni???
Compagnia: grosso contractor internazionale??????? e chi sarebbe??

Compagnia: Grande compagnia straniera ???? e cioe´´´´???

Piu chiari.........grazie
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preferisco non palesarmi troppo per ovvi motivi, pero' di grossi contractor internazionali ce ne sono pochi...PARC,RISHWORTH,DIRECTPERSONNEL,WYNNWITH,CONTRACTAIR, STORM...
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Si cmq il post era mirato secondo me a capire i benefit e trattamenti delle varie compagnie. Scrivere i trattamenti e poi non la compagnia a che serve?
Tantovale non scrivere niente.
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mau mau,
l'idea di scopiazzare il 3D inglese mi era venuta dopo aver letto una marea di inesattezze e malainformazione circa i terms&conditions in varie compagnie qui sul forum italiano; se pensi che sia meglio leggere baggianate piuttosto che leggere verita' deidentificate allora beh io la penso diversamente.
Visto che pero' chiedete dettagli vi lascio qui di seguito un po' di dettagli su alcune opportunita' con i contractors.
Per quanto riguarda le realta' "nostrane" vi lascio agli amici forumisti.


As an experienced commercial jet pilot, would you like to upgrade to a B767 pilot with the opportunity to work in one of the most interesting and technologically advanced countries in the world?



Japan is one of the cleanest and internationalised countries in Asia, that is relatively safe and very welcoming to foreigners. It also has a long and rich history, that provides a unique and fascinating cultural experience.

IAC’s screening is currently scheduled for the last week of February 2007, with this screening being exclusively for First Officers! So make the most of this opportunity without competing Captains for training slots etc.



As a B767 First Officer, the package on offer through IAC is worth over US$10,900 per month, averaged over the contract term (not including hotac, commuting allowances and per diems). This includes an averaged monthly remuneration of approx. US$8150 over 60 months completed assignment. Additionally provided with this package is highly reputable medical/travel, life and disability insurance.



The ANA group is one of the world’s leading and largest airlines, with many subsidiaries, that is undergoing an exciting expansion phase. This opportunity provides you with promising longer term and very stable career prospects and the definite opportunity for career progression.



With 10 consecutive days off per month for commuting and 24 days annual leave per year your family will also be kept happy. From Japan it is relatively quick and easy to travel around other parts of Asia on your days off using the very heavily discounted ZED travel system.



Air Japan, one of the main passenger services for the ANA group, presently provides frequent services to Mainland China, Hong Kong and Honolulu, with other Asian ports being planned. ANA and JP Express is the new and rapidly expanding cargo venture providing freight operations to Mainland China, Korea, Thailand and North America.



All interested pilots please urgently contact IAC and we will forward to you a précis of the terms and conditions outlining the position with the specific application form.



We look forward to hearing from you.

Regards



International Airline Crewing

Contracted Aviation Consultants to IAC Pacific Limited
A Member of the IAC Group of Companies

Tel: +61 2 6772 9647
Fax: +61 2 6772 9638
website: www.iacglobal.com

B737NG FIRST OFFICERS: BRIEFING DOCUMENT AIR INDIA EXPRESS




Contract term: 3 years, renewable.

Days off: 15 consecutive days off every 2 calendar month period (January and February, March
and April, May and June and so on) with tickets provided to your nominated Base
Residence for days off (that is, 6 return tickets per year).

Block hours: 160 hours in a 2 calendar month period, with overtime payable at 1/80th of the monthly
fee per hour thereafter.

Accommodation: Excellent hotel accommodation (with breakfast) is provided in all locations except at your
Base Residence.

Ground transport: Provided, or your costs are reimbursed or an allowance paid.

Travel: Confirmed Economy class tickets upgradeable to Business class (subject to availability)
from and to the Air India online station closest to your Home Residence, at
commencement and termination of your assignment.

Good travel benefits are available – 1 free ticket per annum (economy, upgradeable to
Business Class), 1 ID75 ticket per annum (subject to load) and unlimited ID50 tickets on
confirmed basis. Air India will endeavour to facilitate unlimited ZED and interline
ticketing.

Medical: Rishworth Aviation will provide your with expatriate medical and repatriation insurance.

Tax: Crew Member’s own responsibility. We encourage you to seek taxation advice.

Maximum age: 63 years, assuming that your home country license allows you to fly up to 65 years.

Training: There will be approximately 10 days (maximum 4 weeks) training in Mumbai at contract
commencement, and you will be provided with accommodation, medical insurance,
ground transport allowance and a payment of US$50 per day. Upon successful
completion of training, full payment will be made for the training period, less the US$50
already paid.

Base: Your Base Residence is the Air India online station closest to your home. This is not
necessarily an operating base for you – it is the location to which you are provided with
tickets for your 15 days off every 2 months (you are responsible for the cost of getting
home from Base Residence if you live somewhere that is not on the Air India network, but ZED tickets can be used). To check where Air India online stations are located,
please visit their website: www.airindia.com.

Upgrades: At present there is no formal upgrade programme in place, as the Indian DGCA does not
allow for foreign First Officers to be upgraded – however we anticipate that this will
change in the near future, and opportunities for upgrade may arise.

Monthly payment: US$2,500 per month (100-499 hours on type*)
US$4,400 per month (500 hours or more on type)

*First Officers with less than 500 hours experience on type must also have 500 hours multi engine time and 1,000 hours total time to be eligible.

PLUS

Retention bonus: after 1 year of assignment: US$5,000
after 2 years of assignment: US$6,000
after 3 years of assignment: US$9,000

Notes:

There are no per diems payable on this assignment.

You must have flown on type within the last 12 months.

If you have not flown on the aircraft within 6 months of assignment commencement you will need to complete re-
currency training arranged by Air India, with simulator costs being at your own expense.

Foreign pilots operating in India are issued with a validation of their home country license, so you must be able
to keep your home country license current for the term of your assignment in India.

All overseas screening costs are paid by Air India – air tickets, ground transport, and accommodation are all
arranged and paid by the Airline, and a per diem of US$50 per screening day is claimable once assignment has
been commenced.

If you are interested, please do all of the following:

confirm your availability for and interview and simulator screening, and the date on which you could be available
to commence an assignment, as well as how much notice you need to give your current employer; and

forward copies of all of these documents to:........

o the completed DGCA application form,
o signed copies of the DGCA and Rishworth Aviation declarations,
o your licence, and verification of your licence by the issuing authority,
o your valid (and restriction-free) medical,
o the front pages of your passport,
o the last 2 pages of your logbook, stamped and certified, or other proof of hours,
o a no accident/incident letter,
o your C.V.,
o a transcript of last simulator proficiency check; and

advise whether you have ever failed a proficiency check; and

register, or update your details, at www.rishworthaviation.com.



Thank you for your assistance and your interest, we look forward to hearing from you soon!
Dear All



We have an exciting contract in India for B777 Captains.



We hope you may know friends with PIC experience on the B777 who you could advise of this great contract!



This is a great opportunity to work on a commuting contract with a top grade international airline. Various world-wide bases available!



The airline requires in excess of 10 Captains as soon as possible, so if you know of anyone who may be interested please ask them to contact us now!



TREs US$10,300 per month

TRIs US$10,000 per month

Check Captains US$9,000 per month

Line Captains US$8,500 per month



PLUS, bonuses payable as follows:

Upon completion of first year of assignment: US$12,000.

Upon completion of second year of assignment: US$13,000.

Upon completion of third year of assignment: US$15,000.



Candidates need to have a minimum of 500 PIC hours on the B777 and have flown on type within the last 12 months.



Contact me now!



Thank you for your time, and please visit our website www.rishworthaviation.com for details of more jobs!



Kind regards

B737NG/efis contract – North Europe


Please find below details for a current B737NG/efis contract to be based in
North Europe. All applicants must be JAA licence holders and have a current
EU passport. We can accept applicants with 737NG or 737efis experience.

The following terms and conditions apply:

• EUR 6200 per month (net of statutory NI deductions)

• EUR 35 per diem

• EUR 350 rebate for each month worked (at end of contract)

• Good quality accommodation provided

• Over 75hrs paid at additional @ 1/75th monthly salary

• 2.5 days annual leave per calendar month worked

• 8 days off per month

• 6 days sick leave

• 6 month renewable contract

• Start date ASAP


Please note that this is a fixed term (6 months) renewable contract.

For more information or if you wish to apply for this position please contact






B737efis contract – North Africa


Please find below details for a current B737efis contract to be based in North
Africa (base either CMN or RAK). Candidates who are interested must be
holder of a current JAA licence with B737efis type rating.

The following terms and conditions apply:

• EUR 6300 per month

• EUR 55 per diem (per working day)

• Accommodation provided - hotel inc. breakfast

• Overtime over 75hrs @ 1/75th monthly salary

• 2.5 days annual leave per calendar month worked

• 8 days off per month – block days off where possible

• 10 days sick leave

• One year contract

• Start date ASAP


Please contact us if you require further information.

Skymark B737-800 Command Positions

Please find below a summary of the IMPROVED package for B737EFIS/NG Captains currently available
with Skymark (SKY), an independent and expanding domestic airline in Japan. Candidates are no
longer required to have a JCAB licence, so with this requirement removed, these much sought
after positions will fill quickly. Start date is March 2007, so screening (MED, SIM & Interview) will be
conducted in Japan in December 2006. Tickets to and from Japan and accommodation whilst in Japan
for the screening process will be provided for by SKY.

Basic prerequisites, as set by SKY, are a minimum of 5,000 hours Total Flight Time; 1,000 Pilot-in-
Command (PIC) hours on B737EFIS/NG (as full function PIC; ICUS time is not acceptable) and
preferably recency on B737EFIS/NG within last 12 months.

SKY B737-800 Captains:-
Term: - 36 months. Renewable by mutual consent.
Age Limit: - Preferably under 50 years but will consider older applicants.
Base: - Haneda Airport, Tokyo, or other port in Japan as determined by airline
Monthly Remuneration: -
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US$8,000 net per month (Japanese personal income and inhabitants tax paid by SKY).
US$7,000 net per month during the training period for non JCAB ATP Licence holders.
Additional US$250 net/month completion bonus paid after completion of 36 mths.
Overtime: - Overtime is paid on time over 75 hours per month at 1/75th (eg. US$106 per hour).
Overseas Allowance: - JPY150,000 per month (includes per diems)
Days free of duty: - 10 days per month, 9 of these are consecutive for commuting to home country. Subject
to rostering constraints a back to back arrangement is possible eg 18 consecutive days
over 2 month period
Accommodation: -
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SKY provides apartment accommodation at base, selected by the Captain through
SKYís preferred real estate companies, equivalent to JPY250,000 per month rental.
Single room hotel accommodation at layover stations other than designated base.
Relocation Allowance: - JPY300,000 lump sum payment at commencement of apartment lease.
Travel: -

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Air travel (economy) with 100kg excess baggage allowance at commencement and
completion of the assignment is provided.
Monthly commuting air travel to home country provided or US$500 per month travel
allowance is provided.
Access to SKYís route network in accordance with their normal policy and procedures.
Ground Transportation: - Provided in accordance with SKYís normal policy and procedures.
Sick Leave: - 10 days per annum (no carry over)
Annual Leave: - 20 days per annum (no carry over).
Insurance: - Emergency Medical/Travel Insurance provided by IAC.

For those with B737 EFIS experience only a B737 NG differences course will be provided.

Should you be interested in this position with SKY please complete the following Letter of Consent and
send it to the IAC Ops Centre immediately. It would also be helpful to update and resubmit your online
web registration form as soon as you can. We will then forward you the SKY application forms. Please
note, when completing/updating your online registration form be sure to enter IMMEDIATE SKY
VACANCY in the field ìSource of Informationî ñ this will ensure your application will be given priority in
our processing. If you have not already registered online with IAC, please do so now ñ our online web
registration form can be found on our website at the address given above.

Kind regards




International Airline Crewing Pty Ltd (IAC)
Contracted Aviation Consultants to IAC Pacific Ltd
Members of the IAC Group of Companies
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No, io intendevo se si poteva stilare una lista in cui ognuno di voi in linea, potesse scrivere i trattamenti riservati.
Se poi scrivere su un forum quali sono i pro e i contro di ogni compagnia con tanto di nome, è proibito o "poco salutare" per voi, allora come non detto, vi capirei. Parto dal preconcetto che ognuno di voi dovrebbe dire la verità....ma come dici tu mi rendo conto che rischio di leggere notizie di gente che vola solo col flight simulator.
I forum stranieri personalmente non li leggo soprattutto quelli inglesi....non ho feeling con gli inglesi!!!!!!!
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mau mau,
perche' non scrivi anche tu il tipo di trattamento a te riservato, il 3D non e' esclusivamente riferito alle compagnie aeree.
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beh certo posso farlo.

1) Compagnia: nessuna, è un club privato.
2) Ruolo: Pilota, manager, pr, flight dispatcher ecc ecc in sostanza tutto.
3) Stipendio: 1000 di fisso più tot a ora volo il che si traduce alla fine in stipendio da pilota medio di "piccola compagnia".
4) turni: quando c'è da volare si vola, quando non si vola faccio festa o lavo l'aereo.
5) ore di volo: mediamente meno della metà delle vostre.
7) Ferie: mah.....fin'ora di problemi mai avuti, basta chiedere..
8) Benefits: Nessuno tranne quello di dormire ogni sera nel mio letto (a parte al max 1 o 2 notti fuori al mese, ma raramente) e di essere diventato amico con un sacco di gente importante che mi ha in simpatia e con qualche piacere in credito... se tutto va male, in qualche loro ditta da lavorare troverò.

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Compagnia: easyJet
Posizione: First Officer (frozen ATPL)
Stipendio: 4200-4400 euro/mese
Turni: 5 earlies, 3 off, 5 lates, 4 off
Ore: media 70-80 h/mese , max 95 h/mese
Ferie: 25 giorni all'anno, con 5 giorni si ottengono 12 giorni a casa (3off+5leave, 4 off)
Benefits: staff travel solo con easy, sconti variabili con altre compagnie tramite un tour operator specializzato (solo in UK) e altre convenzioni (alberghi, car rental, etc), fondo pensione privato (la compagnia contribuisce il 7% dello stipendio lordo).
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A me sembra un'ottima iniziativa.
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ascaro,

il 3D inglese sullo stesso argomento e' diventato una specie di bibbia sulle condizioni di lavoro in giro per il mondo.
Qui potremmo almeno chiarire un paio di cose sulla situazione in Italia e limitrofi, anche tu potresti postare le condizioni di uno del 31esimo stormo a titolo informativo.
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1) Compagnia: Meridiana
2) Ruolo: Primo Ufficiale
3) Stipendio:
Base 1200 +
Indennità di Volo 3300 +
Ore Credito (dipende dai mesi e dal volato)
1500 (esempio con 15 ore credito)
800 (diaria + indennita pernotto, ecc)

Totale: 6800 lordi

+ tredicesima, quattordicesima, premio produzione

4) turni: 10 giorni di riposo/mese (3 riprogrammabili) comunque mai meno di 8 fissi e 30 nei tre mesi
5) ore di volo: 60/65 (in estate un pò di più)
7) Ferie: 42/anno
8) Benefits: Pick up da abitazione a apt e v/v - divise, ecc - Fuori Servizio e ID, ZED - Buddy Pass - Sanivolo - Previvolo

le cifre sono basate su una anzianità indicativa di 5 anni, sono lorde, ma alcuni istituti contrattuali hanno una tassazione diversa, indicativamente tra i 4500 ed i 6000 arrivano sempre. (dipende dalle ore credito).

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Le cifre da Ricky riportate sono corrette, ma non per MXP.

cmq sto' cercando di fare uno studio di settore serio, vorrei sapere dove posso trovare delle copie di contratti, per le seguenti compagnie:
Meridiana,
Livingston,
Az express,
Blu Panorama,
Airone,
Air Italy,
Itali,
Windjet.

E dato che io non ho mai lavorato in una compagnia italiana vorrei capire che benefit da' la cassa marittima e con quali imposte inps?

Per il fondo volo quanti anni bisogna versare e come funziona?

Anche Pm se volete.

Grazie Speevy
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Le cifre da Ricky riportate sono corrette, ma non per MXP.
Beh, dicci le cifre per la base di MXP cosi la discussione continua, si sta facendo interessante!
Ottima iniziativa!
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ciao speevy,

non confondere fondo volo con previvolo e cassa marittima con sanivolo:

il fondo volo è come se fosse (anzi ormai lo è) INPS, il minimo sono venti anni di versamento e devi avere il numerello (mi sembra 84) per andare in pensione.

il previvolo è una previdenza complementare (tfr + una quota pagata dall'azienda) e puoi riscattarlo dopo 10 anni oppure anche subito ma non serve a niente.

Cassa Marittima è un sorta di ASL dei naviganti (non ti saprei dire aliquote ed altre cose) diciamo che la uso solo per fare il certificato medico come un qualunque medico di famiglia.

Il Sanivolo è una assicurazione sanitaria che ti offre tutto dalla radiografia al trapianto di organi....

spero di essere stato chiaro.


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Per le cifre di Mxp sono al lordo 7.3 % di meno e non so' ancora dirvi il netto,
come ho indicato in post sud un'altra tread.
per Buboso:
84?
cosa intendi?

Per gli altri:
dove li trovo i vari contratti?
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