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r0zvram 2nd January 2020 18:50


Originally Posted by pilot_a (Post 10651863)
Has anyone got dates for the sim screening? I passed the Mollymawk in December but haven’t heard anything.

I'am expecting a simdate anytime soon.

pilotbekesi 3rd January 2020 07:07

Good luck on the sim guys. Im doing mollymawk resit on the 14th

OldDreamer 5th January 2020 13:56

How long do we have for each test subject? For those who already sat the exams, do you feel the time given is enough?



And are you allowed to take notes during the aptitude tests? Specially the time sharing one?

ljop 5th January 2020 18:32


Originally Posted by pilotbekesi (Post 10652583)
Good luck on the sim guys. Im doing mollymawk resit on the 14th

Good luck to you too ! Let us know the outcome

ljop 5th January 2020 18:36


Originally Posted by OldDreamer (Post 10654450)
How long do we have for each test subject? For those who already sat the exams, do you feel the time given is enough?



And are you allowed to take notes during the aptitude tests? Specially the time sharing one?

You need to check the times of each test in Mollymawk instructions. But sure, if you practice enough, time is more than ok.
Yes, you are allowed to take notes during any test. You will have paper and pen. Calculator are not allowed.

OldDreamer 6th January 2020 11:20

Guys,

I am really desperate here. Are there any tricks for the time sharing test? Specially for the number sequence, it's bloody difficult. I have seen some videos online and the person hears the firs number and already knows what to insert? In the real test are the sequences always the same? I really didn't want to memorise them but it sounds impossible to achieve the 3800 points alleged as the cutting line without memorising it. Every time I take a few seconds to take a note of the sequence numbers I let the instruments go red then I give a glance to the paper to solve the sequence and there goes another few seconds on the instrument. I am really sad as I have done about 10 tests and I can't go over 2700. In the Mollymawk website they say that after 5 attempts you really are not getting any better from that point...

ljop 6th January 2020 11:33


Originally Posted by OldDreamer (Post 10655055)
Guys,

I am really desperate here. Are there any tricks for the time sharing test? Specially for the number sequence, it's bloody difficult. I have seen some videos online and the person hears the firs number and already knows what to insert? In the real test are the sequences always the same? I really didn't want to memorise them but it sounds impossible to achieve the 3800 points alleged as the cutting line without memorising it. Every time I take a few seconds to take a note of the sequence numbers I let the instruments go red then I give a glance to the paper to solve the sequence and there goes another few seconds on the instrument. I am really sad as I have done about 10 tests and I can't go over 2700. In the Mollymawk website they say that after 5 attempts you really are not getting any better from that point...

Hey man,

So, I didn't want to say anything when you talk about taking notes, because each person has it ways to do it, but the thing is you can't take notes because you will loose time. You are supouse to relied in your acoustical memory (read Mollymawk instructions). Is not about memorize...sure if you practice so many times, eventually you will know the answers, but is not about that...is about to trust your acoustical memory. You need to pay atention to the acoustical instruction, reason why navigation and the instrument shouldn't consume (or consume very few) resources of your brain.
Think about this as in your IFR training..... if you are using your brain for flying the basic stuff (fly the airplane straight) you can't calculate any radial interception instructions.... flying the aircraft straight is something you are able to do without thinking...then you can work the IFR instructions and readback.
Navigate and click on instruments shouldn't take to much of your resources, because you will need them to answer the acoustical instrucctions. You need to complete at leaste 100 acoustical task with very few mistakes to be on the numbers requires. If you are doing less than 100, then you are loosing time (as for instance taking notes).

Hope it helps.
Best regards

Mlambin 6th January 2020 21:00


Originally Posted by ljop (Post 10655063)
Hey man,

So, I didn't want to say anything when you talk about taking notes, because each person has it ways to do it, but the thing is you can't take notes because you will loose time. You are supouse to relied in your acoustical memory (read Mollymawk instructions). Is not about memorize...sure if you practice so many times, eventually you will know the answers, but is not about that...is about to trust your acoustical memory. You need to pay atention to the acoustical instruction, reason why navigation and the instrument shouldn't consume (or consume very few) resources of your brain.
Think about this as in your IFR training..... if you are using your brain for flying the basic stuff (fly the airplane straight) you can't calculate any radial interception instructions.... flying the aircraft straight is something you are able to do without thinking...then you can work the IFR instructions and readback.
Navigate and click on instruments shouldn't take to much of your resources, because you will need them to answer the acoustical instrucctions. You need to complete at leaste 100 acoustical task with very few mistakes to be on the numbers requires. If you are doing less than 100, then you are loosing time (as for instance taking notes).

Hope it helps.
Best regards

Well said !

I truly believe that if you need to take note you will never succeed the Mollymawk. I might be wrong and would be pleased to be proved wrong. I was scoring up to 5000 points during training and from the very first test I never thought about using anything else than my memory.

ljop 6th January 2020 21:23


Originally Posted by Mlambin (Post 10655457)
Well said !

I truly believe that if you need to take note you will never succeed the Mollymawk. I might be wrong and would be pleased to be proved wrong. I was scoring up to 5000 points during training and from the very first test I never thought about using anything else than my memory.

Hey man, are you still waiting for your TR to begin? I hope you're not!

OldDreamer 6th January 2020 21:24


Originally Posted by Mlambin (Post 10655457)
Well said !

I truly believe that if you need to take note you will never succeed the Mollymawk. I might be wrong and would be pleased to be proved wrong. I was scoring up to 5000 points during training and from the very first test I never thought about using anything else than my memory.

Wow 5000 points, that’s amazing. Sometimes I honestly think I’m not smart enough for this thing :(. Anyways I followed your advise and pushed myself to do it withouT notes and indeed my score is improving and I have just reached 3600 although I can’t avoid to think that part of this success is because I’m memorising the sequences involuntarily and I’m afraid that in the real exam it won’t be the same numbers. I’m doin feirou well on the Maze game and struggling a bit with the working memory, but my performance in all is improving, and I can definitely say that the statement in the web site, that says after 5 attempts you are unlikely to improve, to be quite incorrect.

jacke_95 7th January 2020 10:45

Sim
 
Hello Guy!

I am also waiting for the sim, passed the molly December 19th. Anyone received any invitations yet that had it around the same period?

Best regards,

jacke_95 7th January 2020 17:22

Today I received email regarding the simulator, invitation for the screening on the 23rd of January. I Passed the Mollymawk on the 19th Of December. So check your inbox!

Best wishes!
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ljop 7th January 2020 18:56


Originally Posted by jacke_95 (Post 10656092)
Today I received email regarding the simulator, invitation for the screening on the 23rd of January. I Passed the Mollymawk on the 19th Of December. So check your inbox!

Best wishes!
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Hey Man! Thanks for sharing. I'm still waiting, altought I'm from the group of DEC 24. All the best for the SIM.

Regards

r0zvram 7th January 2020 21:18


Originally Posted by OldDreamer (Post 10655471)


Wow 5000 points, that’s amazing. Sometimes I honestly think I’m not smart enough for this thing :(. Anyways I followed your advise and pushed myself to do it withouT notes and indeed my score is improving and I have just reached 3600 although I can’t avoid to think that part of this success is because I’m memorising the sequences involuntarily and I’m afraid that in the real exam it won’t be the same numbers. I’m doin feirou well on the Maze game and struggling a bit with the working memory, but my performance in all is improving, and I can definitely say that the statement in the web site, that says after 5 attempts you are unlikely to improve, to be quite incorrect.

The real exam is different from the one you train at home. Expect different numbers, other accents and numbers with 5 digits.

vatir 7th January 2020 21:55

Does anyone have any tips for "Working Memory" section?

Mlambin 8th January 2020 08:43


Originally Posted by ljop (Post 10655470)
Hey man, are you still waiting for your TR to begin? I hope you're not!

Hopefully not, almost a year employed now.
Thanks for asking !

ljop 8th January 2020 09:39


Originally Posted by Mlambin (Post 10656676)
Hopefully not, almost a year employed now.
Thanks for asking !

Awesome man, congrats! all the best

jacke_95 8th January 2020 09:52

Hello Guys!

Is there anyone who knows a good place for some B737NG Sim Prep?
Any help is appreciated!

Best Regards!

Amidoo 8th January 2020 14:10


Originally Posted by jacke_95 (Post 10656751)
Hello Guys!

Is there anyone who knows a good place for some B737NG Sim Prep?
Any help is appreciated!

Best Regards!

I would start with your MCC provider if it was on the 737. I personnally booked a session with the cheapest and closest 737 sim I could find. You can even practice on your computer if you're well equiped. The actual sim is a full motion and easier to fly than most sim I've been in.

I wouldn't sweat it though, assesement is quite easy and straight forward, exactly as in the brief minus scenario 3, Captain and FO were really nice.

Good luck !

NewUsername 8th January 2020 18:05


Originally Posted by inabw (Post 10635048)
I did the english test at the beginning of November but then no answers or feedback yet.
I don't understand if they provide it only in positive case or also in negative case.

Same here. Passed the English test at the end of November and still no reply. Not sure if my test even passed through as there were no Exit button at the end of the test, had to use a key combination on a keyboard to close it.

r0zvram 8th January 2020 19:23


Originally Posted by NewUsername (Post 10657185)
Same here. Passed the English test at the end of November and still no reply. Not sure if my test even passed through as there were no Exit button at the end of the test, had to use a key combination on a keyboard to close it.

That's long. It takes iTep up to 5 working days to provide a score. You can't check your score online since this testcenter won't provide it online. If you want to know your score you need to get in contact with the testcenter. In this case it's SXS. You can write them an e-mail or give them a phone call.

Goodluck

NewUsername 9th January 2020 09:15


Originally Posted by r0zvram (Post 10657267)
That's long. It takes iTep up to 5 working days to provide a score. You can't check your score online since this testcenter won't provide it online. If you want to know your score you need to get in contact with the testcenter. In this case it's SXS. You can write them an e-mail or give them a phone call.

Goodluck


Thanks for the info. I already wrote them an email more than a month ago but no reply. Will see, I blame new year holidays for this.

pilot_a 9th January 2020 12:43


Originally Posted by jacke_95 (Post 10656092)
Today I received email regarding the simulator, invitation for the screening on the 23rd of January. I Passed the Mollymawk on the 19th Of December. So check your inbox!

Best wishes!
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Weird, I passed the Mollymawk before that date and still no invitation. The person I spoke to earlier seems to be out of office..

Pilotman14 9th January 2020 17:10

I have my mollymawk test coming up next week but I have not heard anything about accommodation, i have tried emailing hr about this but no replies from them, is anybody in the same situation?

youngretired 9th January 2020 18:39


Originally Posted by Pilotman14 (Post 10658163)
I have my mollymawk test coming up next week but I have not heard anything about accommodation, i have tried emailing hr about this but no replies from them, is anybody in the same situation?

is that mep program or direct entry f/o?

idk about mep candidates but there’s no accommodation for f/o afaik.

Pilotman14 9th January 2020 18:45


Originally Posted by youngretired (Post 10658281)
is that mep program or direct entry f/o?

idk about mep candidates but there’s no accommodation for f/o afaik.

It's for the direct entry f/o, as in the email they originally sent it said, If you do not use sun Express flights please inform me about your travel details so I can send detailed transportation and hotel information.

Amidoo 9th January 2020 19:45


Originally Posted by Pilotman14 (Post 10658285)
It's for the direct entry f/o, as in the email they originally sent it said, If you do not use sun Express flights please inform me about your travel details so I can send detailed transportation and hotel information.

I would give them a call tomorrow, my friend has his Mollymawk on the 13th and received his travel details a while ago.

WhereisMolly 10th January 2020 08:31

Got the Mollymok test later, so for Spatial Awareness I have to complete the 12 rounds in how long with how many errors?

Thanks.

Pilotman14 10th January 2020 10:37


Originally Posted by WhereisMolly (Post 10658810)
Got the Mollymok test later, so for Spatial Awareness I have to complete the 12 rounds in how long with how many errors?

Thanks.

I think 180 seconds and less than 10 errors, but I may be wrong

WhereisMolly 10th January 2020 10:42

urgh, i am at like 250 seconds and 50 errors, am way off! any hints?

OldDreamer 10th January 2020 12:52

Not so good news, I suppose. I have just received an email from a recruiting agency saying this

"This is an email to inform you that we just received an update from SunExpress that their vacancies are not open anymore. This means that they will not be able to give a start date at the moment. If you are still interested to proceed you can continue with the application if there will be new recruitment within 6 months"

Amidoo 10th January 2020 13:10


Originally Posted by OldDreamer (Post 10659033)
Not so good news, I suppose. I have just received an email from a recruiting agency saying this

"This is an email to inform you that we just received an update from SunExpress that their vacancies are not open anymore. This means that they will not be able to give a start date at the moment. If you are still interested to proceed you can continue with the application if there will be new recruitment within 6 months"

Can I ask you which agency ?

BeyonceWheels 10th January 2020 23:15

Mollymawk Practice Assessment
 
Hi there,

I am a new pilot from flight school and I am doing some study for this assessment later this month and my goodness, its not easy, I am well off on the scored on the Mollymawk test and it seems failure rate is high :(.

Has anyone got any hints on how to nail it over next few weeks.

Many thanks,

Beyonce

vatir 11th January 2020 00:07

How do you know what the score needs to be? I don't even know that :ugh:

Pilotman14 11th January 2020 11:36


Originally Posted by vatir (Post 10659602)
How do you know what the score needs to be? I don't even know that :ugh:

There is a document further up this thread. I don't know how accurate it is but I am using it as a guideline

BeyonceWheels 11th January 2020 23:21

This is what I am told:

Time sharing:
4000 is the limit score to pass corresponding to 25% (total efficiency). Aim: 4500-5000

Workin Memory:
800seconds and 5 errors is the limit correspoding to 25% (speed & accuracy) Aim: 770 sec and 1-2 errors at home.

Spatial Orientation:
170sec and 10 errors is the limit correspoding to 25% (speed & accuracy) Aim: 150 sec and 3-4 errors at home.

ljop 12th January 2020 11:29


Originally Posted by BeyonceWheels (Post 10660539)
This is what I am told:

Time sharing:
4000 is the limit score to pass corresponding to 25% (total efficiency). Aim: 4500-5000

Workin Memory:
800seconds and 5 errors is the limit correspoding to 25% (speed & accuracy) Aim: 770 sec and 1-2 errors at home.

Spatial Orientation:
170sec and 10 errors is the limit correspoding to 25% (speed & accuracy) Aim: 150 sec and 3-4 errors at home.


This numbers are just reference, since the real results will be compared with the results of other candidates with your same age +/- 5 years, and you need to be over the 25% of best scores. Since that number is variable depending on your age, this is just a reference, however:

Time sharing: 3900
Workin Memory: 800 with 5 mistakes
Spatial Orientation: 180 sec with 10 mistakes


If you are below this numbers, you are in trouble.... my recomendation, try to be as high as possible of this passmark to be safe.

BeyonceWheels 12th January 2020 11:58

Thanks, I am around 190 seconds and 40 mistakes, how can I get this down? I only get the red screen say 10 times so the errors must also be for not going the quicker way?

pilotbekesi 12th January 2020 15:01

I think I did slightly below 180 on my first sit and I had 11 points on speed, which is well below the required 25. ( Im 29 y/o)

I've been to the 130s in my practices this time. (averaging below 5 errors)

Working memory - doing ~760-770sec 1-2 errors in practices.. ( Just did a 753-1 today). With good consistency which was a major problem before.
I am just sharing because I never thought it was possible to reach something like this after trying it the first time.

I find it very misleading that on the official website it says you don't get much better with more practice. I've been doing it every day for the past 2-3 weeks, and the numbers don't lie..

I'm doing retest next week,, will let you know the outcome

r0zvram 13th January 2020 10:03

Does anyone have a sim session also on the 2nd of February?


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