First Officer (SSTR plus Line Training) Programs?
 

I´m considering paying 20000 $ for 600 hours on a turbo prop or 36000$ for 800 on a jet in the US. Do you think it is worth it?
I now have 560tt and 200 multi and have been looking for a job since august 2000. I´m desperate!!!
You fly them in about 18 months and work in carogo/pax/hospital flights.
regards,
richard:confused:

What si the story with the Visa situation with these schemes. I find it hard to beleive that the airlines can justify to the US INS that these people are needed when there are so many people out of work over there.

they say the VISA is "arranged" and paid by them during the first year, if I stayed there for more time the expenses of the VISA are on me.
What you really do is pay for a block of flight hours(300,,500,800....) while you work for them. They don´t employ you. I guess that´s the way they get away with it.

I was looking into several companies: Eagle, Rainbow, ASG-Jet, Taylor..
Know anyone that has done any of these courses.
By the way I´m new to pprune, how can I see my personal messages? how do I know I have recieved any? thanks.

I would appreciate any contact details for the schools you mentioned or their website details. Thanks.

I do not see how that could be legal in employment law in the states. If you are not employed by them then you are not covered with all the insurance etc..

I see that the companies arrange the visa but has anyone actually done this and apart from when comair did this I am not sure that it is for real!!

I would have though this seems like another scam that people play on the wannabees. Make sure you check these things out!

Has anyone actually done this and know anyone who has done this?

Grivation,
It would be great if you could give me some info, I´ve been considerng this for some time now and have only posponed going there as I don´t have info other than the one given by the companies. Thanks.

Gavin,

I don´t have all the info here with me, but I know if you write ASG-jet on google their page pops up, Try writing fist officer course. The others are tyler aviation, Eagle jet international.
I´ll try and get the info for you.

ASG-JET
 

Guy's,

Whatever you do STAY AWAY from ASG-JET!!

Those guy's, CEO mr Vellinga in particular, are bad news!!

If you do a search on PPrune you will find a lot of dirt..

Later

tychia,
do not do that! i have some experience. first the train you, then they put on a waiting list to fly.maybe u fly maybe not, they can let u fly 1h perweek or 1h per month. if you leave, they will keep your money.one ur money is gone, do not expect to see it back whatever happen! thats the USA!
do ur FAA,CFI and go work as a CFI, or whatever.do you flight instructor rating. it worths.
write me if u want.

Anyone have any experience of the Eaglejet FO programs? I see they offer a JAA 737NG type rating and line training - anyone know about it? Is it US or EU based, well-respected etc?

Buttline,
All heavy jet programs are done in east europe. And I know there is a opening now in the next weeks for the 737.
Good luck
Richard

I work at Rainbow, as an Instructor and can vouch that Rainbow will not "scam" any money from you. I got my Private through commercial and CFI, CFII with them, and am very satisfied there. The Instructional staff are either former students, or Embry Riddle Graduates. One was formerly a 1st officer with a Commuter Airline in a SAAB.
Our 1st officer program is fairly new, and I am currently teaching 4 full time students that came to Rainbow for that purpose.

If you'd like further questions, you can email me.

First Officer (SSTR plus Line Training) Programs?
 

Hi Wannabes,

Anyone interested in a First Officer Program in Europe, getting a JAA type rating and 500 hours on an ATR42-300 EFIS?

I have privately arranged this for myself with the airline and will need one other pilot to make the sim sessions more economic. I am not affiliated with the airline, nor will I receive any remuneration of any kind.

As this program is not through an agent, it should hopefully be cheaper than other programs (but then it’s JAA!), however I do not have any pricing from them yet.

Should this turn out to be too pricy, I also made arrangements for the same on a B737-200, total cost around €25000. This is my second choice, as a 200 rating can no longer be upgraded to a classic.

If you hold a JAA frozen ATPL and MCC, send me an email (+ quote which one of the two you'd be interested in):
[email protected]I will reply as soon as I know more…

The thin end of the wedge I guess.

So you want to pay someone to work for them do you?

:rolleyes: :mad: :yuk:

pay for your training, why not, pay to work?once they get your money after training, they will kick you out to let the place to someone else who has paid and who is waiting for your place. they will place you on a waiting list with hundred guys waiting to fly. For a living, you will have to take a job in a local fast food, and you will leave without demanding your money back.if you have a wife,she will divorce you, and you life will be screwed. If you are looking for a job somewhere else, noone will help you, cuz only bad pilots pay to work.

once you have signed your check, the money is gone. if you want it back, you will not see it. it's GONE unless you have money to offer you an attorney and with no guaranty!once you have paid, "your" airline will file bankruptcy because the dont make money, and it s why they ask you to pay.Not to train you, but to screw you before they file bankruptcy.

if it was so easy, everybody would pay to work!if the majority do not pay to work, it s because it s a SCAM!
you have been warned!!

Ronchonner (aka Lovefly)

Why don't you try and work on passing your JAA exams rather than spending all your time dispensing your questionable pearls of wisdom and killing every thread on Pprune.

It is well known that a T.R. without significant line training is a high risk proposition so Irishpilot is looking at including line training as part of his apprenticeship. This route is just as valid as the instructor apprenticeship route - not everyone wants to be an instructor - if he can afford it and understands the risks - good luck to him. This will not change the industry long-term, most people will not / cannot go down this route. If someone is at an advantage because they can afford it, it's no different than all those who are advantaged because the Chief Pilot is their uncle. That's life.

Both Ryan Air and Easyjet now expect everyone to pay for their own type rating (one way or another). Easyjet are looking at pilots with 500 min. total time. 500hrs on a turboprop on a U.S. FO program costs around 25k usd. In the UK 500 hrs on a Piper Warrior costs around 50k usd (at 60gbp per hour)! Perhaps all qualified CPL/IRs should refuse to pay for hour-building on a Warrior because they are paying for work experience?

I don't understand why people are so militant on this topic. Most of us have to pay for most of our training before we get a job. If some people go further down that line than others, it doesn't mean they're crossing a picket line.

I agree with you Buttline
 

Unsurpassable explanation my friend!

Why people accept the easy and ryan programs and not other ones?????????????????

Irish: I think you are right. ATR 42/72, B737 and A320 are the types to get if you want to work.

Best Regards,:cool:

I cannot believe I am reading this:sad: .

Pay to work.:uhoh:

What's next??? Dropping the wages because some of you will still take the job.:(

At the end we will all be bus drivers if it continues this way.


Pd.: A bus driver gets their course paid for!!!!

few years ago, I have paid a company to fly their planes and get some hours. after 2 weeks, they shut down, and I lost all my money.
:{ :{

Lovefly (Ronch)

Quote from your first post --- "If you are looking for a job somewhere else, noone will help you, cuz only bad pilots pay to work."

Your second post points out that you tried this route yourself. I'm genuinely sorry it didn't work out for you but I think the way you firstly imply that there is something unprincipled about paying for line training and then later admit to having tried it yourself undermines your credibility yet further.