How did yours go? What was the set up like? How did you prep in the end? Thank you

Does anybody know who has purchased the maths and physics bundle from CAE what we need to know and what to revise? Thanks

Does anybody know what the cognitive test is like in assessment 2? And what should you practise if you have purchased the latest pilot CAE package?

Anyone going the 17th April?

JackPerry;

Hi Jack,
I've got my stage 2 coming up soon and I'm just trying to prepare for it now. From the email I got from CAE, my understanding is that everything is computer based during the Stage 2. Is this correct?

Also, the email says that Maths & Physics is tested in ADAPT but does not mention a Numerical reasoning section. So I was wondering if you could shed some light on that for me. From what I understand, you are tested on the following:

• Personality Questionnaire
• Mathematics
• Physics
• Cognitive
• FAST
• Fixed Wing
• Ball Game

Finally, I've read on another thread that you're not allowed a calculator, so I'm thinking it may have changed recently.

Thanks.

You ARE allowed a calculator

ADAPT Tests
 

As there is discussion of ADAPT tests here we thought it would be useful to clarify a few points.

The ADAPT tests are widely used for selection at airlines and ahead of flight training programs. The ADAPT test battery varies per airline or training school, however, if you want to familiarise yourself with the ADAPT tests including FAST, Ball Game, Maths, Physics and cognitive reasoning, you can access them on our ecommerce site to help you know what to expect before your assessment day. Each test contains randomly generated questions and will be unique, allowing you to practice and revise as much as you feel would be helpful on each individual subject. If you are unsure what tests you will be taking on the day of your assessment I recommend that you contact the training school, company or airline and ask them so that you know which ones to practicePlease note we are aware of other websites claiming to offer preparation for the ADAPT tests – these are in no way affiliated with Symbiotics and the tests available from these sites are not our ADAPT tests that you will be taking on your assessment day. We do not have resellers, distributors or partners.All the best on your assessment day and future career in aviation and if you have any questions about the ADAPT tests we’ll be happy to help, please message us on here and we will be happy to respond to your queries.

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Karen Moore

Couple of points based on the above posts.

Firstly, In my Stage 2 I was allowed a calculator, they gave me one. Even though the instructions said do not use one.
In my Stage 3 that included a resit of the same physics test, they said no calculators allowed. If there is a logic to this it's beyond me.

Regarding the ADAPT tests, apart from the CAE maths and physics CBT products on their website, which is absolutely worth the money and will help you prepare (and in all honesty, I'm a science guy so I quite enjoyed watching the videos) I would say that it is not terribly productive to spend time trying to prepare for the other ADAPT assessments. That is to say -- though i did use Pilot Aptitude Test and Latest Pilot Jobs, and though they did offer a reasonable representation of the ADAPT elements, they didn't really offer any preparation beyond the observation that "oh I recognise this!". The "ball game" is based on your ability to manage hand eye coordination, the FAST test designed to test your situational awareness. Much of the variables in these "in the moment" type tests are established as you are doing the test. What I'm saying is that you ARE expected to prepare for a physics exam, but you aren't really expected to prepare for an ab initio pilot aptitude test - they're just not designed that way.
But this is in no way to discourage people from preparing as best they can with the products available, I just think ones performance on these tests are based on a natural aptitude, as the name would suggest. Rather than the month or two I practiced the "Ball game recreation"

I do hope you can use a calculator, although I'm thinking it may have recently changed.

Jack, when did you take your stage 2?

I think the calculator should be allowed. Not because the questions really demand one, you're not doing triganometry (allthough possibly pythagoras), but the calculator only helps get you a figure based on the logic, equation manipulation, and firm understanding of the question, so if you can't grasp the question the calculators useless anyway.

Kylan, I did my stage 2 in March, then stage 3 in June. It's possible that the no-calculator rule is a policy of resits. I was taking my physics test along with other stage 2-ers and I don't know if they were also disallowed. But hey I passed without it and had to resit WITH it, so who knows? But mental maths will always be handy, so that's a good skill to work on. Good luck pal

For the ball game test how does the stick mechanic work - does it use twist or move the stick side to side?

Also does the up move down and down move up

Somebody respond please

Hi all,

I've very recently attended a Stage 2 assessment at CAE's Oxford Academy and therefore I'm going to put in my two-penny worth.

Firstly, it is difficult. There's no point in lying, but remember, that's the entire point. My biggest piece of advice for anyone who has their Stage 2 coming up is to relax. That doesn't mean don't put any work in revising, but do not beat yourself up if you don't succeed. Remember, you're very fortunate that you're pursuing the aviation industry as there's so many routes to the cockpit, there's a million-and-one ways to achieve your dream. Do not put pressure on yourself while you're in there, thinking that this is your only opportunity to become a pilot. Ultimately, that will only hinder your performance.

Of course, if you're completely laid back and take no time to revise and prepare I wouldn’t expect to get too far. Complacency is dangerous in the aviation game. Remember, a little nerves is a good thing!

Progressive Maths & Physics

As you all know, 20 questions in 30 minutes, getting progressively harder.

Now to answer the calculator conundrum. You are NOT allowed to use a calculator at any point during the Stage 2 assessment, sorry! Now, as we know people have been able to use calculators in the past. If the questions were any different or not, I do not know. From what I've heard speaking to people who were allowed to use a calculator, my guess is that the questions are of similar difficulty as they were before. I can only assume CAE has changed their expectations of candidates to keep inline with the change.

I don't think that the questions were that hard to warrant the use of a calculator, although there were some calculations that were a little tricky. Personally, I found that your mental arithmetic was tested at other points throughout the tests anyway. Therefore, I think it would be better to have harder questions and allow the use of a calculator. This way you're testing a candidates deeper understanding and ability to apply themselves on these subjects.

Cognitive Tests

This section I personally found hardest to prepare for. Wether or not you can improve through practice is a different discussion entirely. But by using software such as SkyTest (Pan Asia), you can familiarise yourself with the type of questions they may ask.

FAST

Keep your eyes moving! Don't concentrate one one thing, you need to split your attention. Strangely, I quite enjoyed doing this one. I found that it made me feel as though I'm driving and in some way, I can see the relation. Looking outside at the road ahead, looking at the car in front, reading road signs as they fly by, followed by a quick scan down at the speedometer, look back outside, check the sat-nav, whilst listening to a podcast and changing gear! If you're already in the habit of splitting your attention through something like driving, then I think you'll find that experience definitely helps.

There is an activity on SkyTest (Pan Asia) that is quite similar to the FAST test which I found very helpful to prepare with.

Fixed Wing

If you, like me, have spent countless hours playing flight simulators, then I wouldn't worry too much. Just follow the instructions.

My biggest point, take it easy on the controls. They're very sensitive. Little and smooth movements is what you're looking for. If you start over-correcting you're going to end up with a case of Pilot-Induced Oscillation.

Ball Game

This one caught me off guard, much trickier than expected. Requires lots of concentration, don't let your mind slip!

yap800, you use the forward and back axis of the joystick and you're absolutely correct, both axes are inverted and you use the twist axis to move the ball left and right.

Good luck all!

If your not allowed a calculator are you allowed a pen and paper to do some working out?

think they'll will for that sort of stuff , but for mental arithmetic it'll be pen and paper or at least I hope so cause it would seem near impossible to do otherwise, judging by there prep software mock questions.

I used SkyTest for pan-asian pilots to prepare for the FAST test and the cognitive tests. The mock FAST test was actually quite similar to the real thing.

As of my test 3 weeks ago, no calculators were allowed at any point but they're not necessary for the questions asked. You are however, given a pen & paper.