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Job Knockey 14th Aug 2017 14:48

Virtual Aviation & Titan Airways Cadet Scheme.
 
https://www.virtualaviation.co.uk/titan

tlipiec 15th Aug 2017 09:33

Cheers for the heads up!

Mlambin 15th Aug 2017 17:30

Monday 21st to apply !

We still have to pay the interview stage 1 and MCC + flight and hotel etc. I guess we can't complain.

virtualaviation 15th Aug 2017 19:12

Happy to answer any questions you have about this programme.

skyboy83 16th Aug 2017 04:00

Paying for an assessment.... And still people believe that there is a pilot shortage...

virtualaviation 16th Aug 2017 07:17


Originally Posted by Anunaki (Post 9862932)
@Virtualaviation Thank you, How many positions are available?

It looks like an amazing opportunity, the assessment is cheaper than the Thomas Cook Iago scheme and from what I heard, their course is next to none.

I will apply but I bet there will be thousands of applications.

Thank you for your positive comments.

The exact number will be confirmed next month but we understand there will be around 6-8 cadet positions in this first intake.

There may well be a lot of applications, but the strength of your application is what will make the difference. Good luck!

virtualaviation 16th Aug 2017 07:25


Originally Posted by skyboy83 (Post 9863194)
Paying for an assessment.... And still people believe there is a pilot shortage...

We really appreciate your comment.

Unfortunately, the reality is that it costs a lot to run a selection process, usually much more than the contribution made by the candidate.

This programme is all about reducing the investment and risk for an individual between CPL ME/IR and getting to the right hand seat of a jet. That is why we have tried to keep the selection day fee as low as possible.

ASHTAM 16th Aug 2017 08:50

It does sound like an amazing opportunity for us low hours pilots. Can you still apply if you have an MCC+JOC already?

virtualaviation 16th Aug 2017 09:42

You certainly can.

Although we have designed this programme to allow CPL holders to apply to an airline and get a job offer BEFORE having to invest in MCC/JOC training, we do not wish to exclude people who may have already taken that step.

This text, pasted from the webpage, explains in more detail:

"This programme is designed to minimise personal risk by offering an opportunity for the highest-calibre cadets to secure airline employment at an earlier stage of training, before investing in MCC training. Pilots who have completed an MCC course previously are welcome to apply, but will still need to complete Phase 2. That's because overseeing your progress through Phase 2 is important in order for Titan Airways to verify your suitability for an airline-funded Type Rating."

Hope that helps.

shamrock1088 16th Aug 2017 10:30

This is another amazing opportunity showing that the airline industry is moving away from the Ryanair Model and acknowledging the effort modular pilots put in to getting where they are at the end of training.

I think this along with the BACF Modular pathway is the ideal route these days for us wannabe pilots but i cant seem to wonder why VA have chosen not to use their "partner" Kura Aviation in this venture with them running what seems to be a carbon copy course together for BACF.

Either this is underhand on behalf of VA copying the model set up by Kura for BACF or ties have been severed and Kura are going in a different direction? Something is happening behind the scenes at the 2 companies which had looked a positive partnership for me getting the best of both world, now i am in 2 minds. Any help?

I know this course is offer before you start but i still need to do an MCC/JOC anyway so i still have a decision to make now.

FoxtrotGolf 16th Aug 2017 13:04

This looks like an excellent opportunity. Is there any information on:
- Initial salary
- Roster
- Expected annual flying hours

skyboy83 17th Aug 2017 06:39


Originally Posted by Anunaki (Post 9863351)
@skyboy83, we can talk about it the whole day, wont change the fact that if you exclude the Eurowings offer, which is fully funded, this is the best deal around. The issue with Eurowings is that only 2% of applicants pass the DLR, that ridiculous, outdated astronaut test.

Shame that there aren't more positions. I haven't been invited for assessments but I can sit here and cry about the fact I'll probably go bankrupt, or I can have a little faith and push.

Choice is yours my friend. It says on your profile that you are in Greece? Greek airlines are filled with nepotism, hardly an example to follow.

I am sorry for the off topic comment. I never blamed a guy who paid for an assessment. I also did it on the past.

Happily for airlines, too many low hours pilots starving for a job is a reality nowdays and we must get used on it.

Could you please tell me more about nepotism in Greek airlines? You speak like you know sth from inside. Do you think for examble that they dont have the safety standars who have the italians or english ones?

virtualaviation 17th Aug 2017 20:18


Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolf (Post 9863633)
This looks like an excellent opportunity. Is there any information on:
- Initial salary
- Roster
- Expected annual flying hours

We are compiling a list of questions which have not been answered on the website, and will try to get clarification for you on these specific points. If you could submit a message with these questions and your contact details, using the form on the contact page our our website, that would be helpful. Many thanks.

virtualaviation 17th Aug 2017 20:24


Originally Posted by shamrock1088 (Post 9863470)
This is another amazing opportunity showing that the airline industry is moving away from the Ryanair Model and acknowledging the effort modular pilots put in to getting where they are at the end of training.

I think this along with the BACF Modular pathway is the ideal route these days for us wannabe pilots but i cant seem to wonder why VA have chosen not to use their "partner" Kura Aviation in this venture with them running what seems to be a carbon copy course together for BACF.

Either this is underhand on behalf of VA copying the model set up by Kura for BACF or ties have been severed and Kura are going in a different direction? Something is happening behind the scenes at the 2 companies which had looked a positive partnership for me getting the best of both world, now i am in 2 minds. Any help?

I know this course is offer before you start but i still need to do an MCC/JOC anyway so i still have a decision to make now.

We weren't involved with the BACF Modular Pathway as it was before we started working with Kura in August 2016.

If you decide to fund your own MCC/JOC training, the Kura BESTPILOT programme is an excellent option for those who can pass the selection, and they recently celebrated their 100th airline placement. As you know, we provide the AJT (MCC/JOC) training for Kura's BESTPILOT students, so maybe we will get to meet you if you choose that route.

westend 17th Aug 2017 22:27

I truly applaud Virtual Aviation for taking this path and providing the opportunity to modular pilots. This really is a great opportunity and helps open doors for modular cadets wishing to get into the right seat. Much more realistic and truly agree that this is a much more affordable option to the other large schools in the UK or Spain where you end up spending more then GBP100k to get into the right seat.

Keep up the great efforts Virtual Aviation...the industry does need to be brought back to the realistic level again.

pewpewbum 17th Aug 2017 22:40

@virtualaviation ,

Are we going to apply via virtual aviation website or Titan careers online recruit website ?

ManUtd1999 17th Aug 2017 23:22


Originally Posted by westend (Post 9865191)
I truly applaud Virtual Aviation for taking this path and providing the opportunity to modular pilots. This really is a great opportunity and helps open doors for modular cadets wishing to get into the right seat. Much more realistic and truly agree that this is a much more affordable option to the other large schools in the UK or Spain where you end up spending more then GBP100k to get into the right seat.

Keep up the great efforts Virtual Aviation...the industry does need to be brought back to the realistic level again.

+1

Things are changing a bit in the industry. A couple of years ago the "big 3" had a virtual monopoly but we've seen TCX, BA City and now Titan going out of there way to attract modular pilots recently - all credit to them. Even Ryanair might be offering bonded type ratings through their APC program soon.

If you're not on a pre-selected integrated scheme or a MPL personally I'm not sure what value you're getting for 100k bar the "opportunity" to pay another 20k to join Easyjet or similar?

portsharbourflyer 21st Aug 2017 22:24

Just wish EASA would follow the FAA trend and introduce an hours requirement; I will agree there may not be that much relevance of a lot of day VFR hour building to Airline operations but from what I can see in the US the hours requirement has certainly improved terms and conditions for those that do achieve the required hours. Due to the 1500 hour rule some Airlines in the US are now paying $5000 dollar joining fees to new FOs, it isn't the FOs paying the best part of 5k plus for a JOC course.

An hours requirement would put CTC, FTE and Oxford out of business over night. It would also deter those that are only interesting in becoming Airline pilots as opposed to those which have a true interest for flying.

As for the Titan Scheme, it is good in that it is open to Modular students; if you are modular then the additional price of the MCC/JOC still means you are spending considerably less than the integrated candidates.

But at the end of the day I suspect VA are making a reasonable profit on those MCC/JOC courses.

VariablePitchP 22nd Aug 2017 07:51

Yep, EASA should definitely introduce a rule that requires anyone flying a class A jet first spends 4 years towing gliders from the back of a Pawnee as that would definitely improve safety and Ts&Cs :ugh:

The reason it improved Ts&Cs in the States is because no one wants to become a pilot anymore because of how much of a ball ache it is to get a licence when there are so many other careers as rewarding without having to wait until turning 30 to earn a living wage. All very well getting a $5,000 joining bonus but personally I'm not sure wasting 4 years of my life is worth $5k...

portsharbourflyer 22nd Aug 2017 20:17

VariablePitch:

There is no shortage of FAA CPL / IR holders in the USA; while it is true the pilot profession being seen as less favourable has reduced the number undertaking training that in itself has not created any shortage.

The FAA after the Colgan incident introduced a rule that anyone flying Part 25 Aircraft had to hold 1500 hours total time. While there is a lot of debate of the logic of this hour requirement; there is a now a shortage of CPL/IR holders with the requisite 1500 hours to fly as FOs on Part 25 aircraft. This has increased the salaries and terms and conditions for Regional FOs. So before making sarky comments suggest you best check your facts. Likewise before JAA took over the CAA system had a 700 hour requirement for the equivalent of modular route at the time.

Interestingly in those days one of the criteria to join BA connect (pre-incarnation of BA Citiflyer) was to hold 1000 hours and there was no need pay any third party 10K for a JOC.

So yes an hours requirement may not necessarily improve safety (a debateable point) it would see T and C improve markedly. If CTC/L3 cadets had to hour build in some way to get a 1000 hours before they could undertake a part 25 type rating then L3 would really struggle to flog overpriced 100,000K+ courses.

Anyway the point is back to the thread, in EASA land people are paying 7 to 10 K for overpriced MCC/JOC courses in hope of a 75 to 90% chance of getting a job; where as in FAA land some airlines are paying the FOs to come and work for them. The VA website makes it clear that you can still get dropped after JOC/MCC. I know of one or two who did the Kura scheme and didn't get placed.


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