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EGPF 25th Apr 2017 15:39

Generation easyJet / easyJet MPL 2017
 
Flight Schools: (That are linked with the Generation easyJet Program)

L3CTS:
Link to application page - L3CTS.


CAE Oxford:
Link to application page - CAE Oxford..


FTZ Jarez:
No information available.

JackVince 26th Apr 2017 07:17

Same here. I look forward to it! :)

o_rey28 26th Apr 2017 10:32

That'll be a good question to ask during the live Q&A tomorrow!

o_rey28 26th Apr 2017 10:34

A question: Does anyone have an idea of when training starts?[/QUOTE]

That'll be a good question for the live Q&A tomorrow!

ScotWings 26th Apr 2017 11:10

Hi there. If it's anything like last year, applications opened at the beginning of May 2016, and training start dates were staggered between about December 2016, and June 2017.

EGPF 26th Apr 2017 14:07


Originally Posted by o_rey28 (Post 9752835)
A question: Does anyone have an idea of when training starts?

That'll be a good question for the live Q&A tomorrow![/QUOTE]

Thanks for the reminder! I hope the timing is good though.

Scotwings, thanks!

Kalvb123, thanks, good luck with stage 3! Do let us know how it went.

gbotley 27th Apr 2017 11:31

It would appear this scheme is being run in a similar way to the BA FPP where all schools share applicant data as the following now applies:


PLEASE BE AWARE THAT WE WILL NOT BE ACCEPTING RE-APPLICATIONS TO THE CTC WINGS GENERATION EASYJET PILOT TRAINING PROGRAMME. WE WILL ALSO NOT BE ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS FROM THOSE WHO HAVE APPLIED UNSUCCESSFULLY TO OTHER APPROVED TRAINING PROVIDERS OF THE GENERATION EASYJET PILOT TRAINING PROGRAMME. Please be advised that easyJet will only be able to accept one application per person [regardless of training provider]
Best of luck all those planning to apply this time around.

s5147 27th Apr 2017 14:22

When they say that they will not be accepting re-applications does this mean that they will not be accepting applicant who were unsuccessful from previous years?

I'm relatively new to the scene and as such haven't applied before. Having read the above I'm concerned as to whether to apply now and see how I go, or wait until I'm in a more financially and educationally stable position before applying.

Any advice and guidance would be appreciated.

Chris the Robot 27th Apr 2017 16:26

Firstly, you need, from what I can tell, to be able to afford the programme, I've followed the 2016 thread loosely and I haven't seen much discussion around the loan guarantee that Easyjet says they offer to the strongest candidates. Perhaps the Q&A will have reveal how many received that funding last year?

Otherwise, it's a tricky one. On one hand, the industry would appear to be pretty strong at the moment though the potential impact from Brexit is unknown. On the other hand, if you wait and it opens next year with the same rule, a lot of very capable people won't be applying and there's only going to be so many people who are interested in the programme, able to afford it, yet very strong applicants.

For the record, I currently have no intention of applying since I'm on a totally different training programme altogether that has little to do with aviation.

ManUtd1999 27th Apr 2017 17:23

The facebook Q&A was quite informative. Loan guarantees appear to be on offer for "particularly outstanding" candidates. However, Flexicrew still seems to be in operation for UK based cadets. Rumours on here suggested is was being scrapped but this appears not to be the case....

Genuinley torn whether to apply. On one hand it's a great opportunity and the finance might be do-able (I'd apply on the basis of onyl accepting an offer with loan guarantee). On the other, 100,000 is a massive loan to have and a zero-hours contract doesn't offer much by way of financial security.....

Does anyone have any up-to-date figures on Flexicrew rates?

EGPF 27th Apr 2017 20:53

Thanks you very much for your insight Kalvb123! Best of luck to you as well.

ManUtd1999 27th Apr 2017 21:01


Originally Posted by kalvb123 (Post 9754344)
As for comments about the 'zero hours' contract, there is no indication of this style of recruitment. After talking to the recruiters recently at my Stage 3 assessment, easyJet treat the flexicrew cadets the same as any other employee and I have no reason to believe otherwise.

The flexicrew contract only pays cadets by the hour when they are required to fly (or standby). You have no minimum hours and no salary if you're not needed for whatever reason. By definition, that is a zero-hours contract. As you point out, this only applies to the UK, but you don't get any say on your intial base.

It's good to here EZY treat their cadets well and makes the scheme more appealing. The fact remains though that if they removed Flexicrew and I knew they'd help out with a loan guarantee, I'd apply without hestitating. As it is, I'm really not sure.

sara98 27th Apr 2017 22:07


Originally Posted by gbotley (Post 9753873)
PLEASE BE AWARE THAT WE WILL NOT BE ACCEPTING RE-APPLICATIONS TO THE CTC WING GENERATION EASYJET PILOT PROGRAMME. WE WILL ALSO NOT BE ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS FROM THOSE WHO HAVE APPLIED UNSUCCESSFULLY TO OTHER APPROVED TRAINING PROVIDERS OF THE GENERATION EASYJET PILOT TRAINING PROGRAMME. Please be advised that easyJet will only be able to accept one application per person [regardless of training provider]

I had a go with CAE but I was unsuccessful at stage 2 so, from what I can see, I am not allowed to apply to CTC this time. However, I am wondering why it is like this with CTC while with CAE it is still possible to reapply and resit stage 2 again as dates are available!! Any clue?

EGPF 27th Apr 2017 22:23

I don't think CAE have updated their information yet as on close inspection, the application page states;
"...stage 2 of the Assessment and Selection process taking place from October 2016. Enrolment for courses will commence from Spring 2017."
Could be a mistake though.

sara98 27th Apr 2017 22:46

I have just double-checked CAE website and in their "How to apply" section -> "Eligibility Requirements" they state "The programme is only open to new applications" but I know for sure that applicants who failed stage 2 six months ago can still reapply to resit it!!

gbotley 27th Apr 2017 23:41

@s5147 - Correct, although if you've previously applied to an EasyJet MPL before it was rebranded to Generation EasyJet then you are able to apply according to CTC.

@sara98 - Based on the last years intakes, CTC and OAA opened their schemes at different times.. so maybe OAA is yet to be considered in 'year two' of the program.. who knows?!

It would appear, from CTC's Q&A, loan guarantees are offered to those performing well compared with peers in selection but must also posses the required A levels or Degree too!

sara98 28th Apr 2017 13:43


Originally Posted by gbotley (Post 9754535)
.. so maybe OAA is yet to be considered in 'year two' of the program..

Sorry, what do you mean by that? OAA is currently recruiting cadets for the Generation easyJet!

And, as far as you know, has the restriction (no reapplications allowed) been imposed by easyJet or has it been introduced by CTC?

EGPF 28th Apr 2017 13:49

The re-application rule has probably came from easyJet as in the CTC page it says it won't accept re-applications regardless of which FTO you applied with.

EGPF 28th Apr 2017 14:29

Im not saying this is accurate but my answer to that is that they've not updated their information yet as said above.

sara98 28th Apr 2017 15:47


Originally Posted by momo95 (Post 9755149)
What is the reasoning behind allowing OAA applicants to reapply via OAA but not allowing them to reapply via CTC?

They both lead to the same right hand seat in the same aircraft belonging to the exact same company.

Exactly! It's such a weird thing!

gbotley 28th Apr 2017 21:44

@sarah98

Apologies if I wasn't clear enough, but CTC Aviation opened their very first application window or at least announced it in June 2016. Oxford didn't do the same until October 2016. That's four months out. With CTC Aviation having closed the scheme a few months ago I would consider it opening again as the second application window for the scheme... i.e. it's second run. I'm speculating here, but I very much doubt that CTC Aviation would have the names of previous OAA applicants without the airlines involvement in the process somewhere. So, if you'd previously applied to OAA and try to apply to CTC Aviation this year then I imagine CTC Aviation would have your name on a list.

In respect of OAA, I imagine it incredibly likely that when Oxford eventually close/re-open the scheme that the particulars will change to match in the sense that previous CTC Aviation applicants can't then re-apply at Oxford either. It'll be as simple as that. Generation easyJet appears to be easyJet taking more control over their program than the former MPLs. It seemed like a very managed launch across the various training organisations last year and, given the cost for a selection event, I can't imagine it being the schools putting these restrictions in place themselves.

Efato75kts 29th Apr 2017 08:29

I just received an email that application window is now open.
I applied last year for the MPL for EZY ,not generation one (I do not know if matters). I attended the pilapt test at Dibden but was not successful.

My question is , they sent me the rejection email last year stating

"We can advise you that upon further review of your assessment results, you are eligible to reapply to this programme again in 6 months."

Does that mean I am eligible to apply even though they state re applications are not accepted?

gbotley 29th Apr 2017 09:34


I applied last year for the MPL for EZY, not generation one. Does that mean I am eligible to apply even though they state re applications are not accepted?
Quoting the Facebook Q&A you can only apply to easyJet again should you have previously applied prior to it becoming generation easyJet. So if you simply applied to the MPL before these 3 routes came about then you'll be able to apply this time with no issues.

Jenna_Aviatrix 29th Apr 2017 12:14

I'm confused guys.....unlike efato75kts, I DID apply for the generation easyjet (GEPTP) last year...I passed everything except the final interview (impatient interviewer) and then got this email the day after saying:

"Thank you for attending your recent Generation easyJet Pilot Training Programme non-technical skills assessment day.

Following a careful review of your results, we regret to advise that you did not meet the standard required on this occasion to be considered for a place on the programme.

We understand that this will be disappointing news and can advise you that upon further review of your assessment results, you are eligible to reapply in 6 months."

It doesn't say that it has to be the WINGS that I can only apply for in this email. Written like it is leads me to believe that I can reapply!?!?!?

It's been exactly 6 months for me as well as that was back on 28th October 2016 I got this email.

gbotley 29th Apr 2017 14:28

@Jenna_Aviatrix

Back when I was applying to schemes the 6 month window was related to when you could reapply for Wings or the same program so long as you continued to meet the criteria when it reopened.

The airlines can change things up from time to time and easyJet are by no means alone as Flybe made alterations to their financial arrangements for their latest MPL intake. In the case of easyJet though, the shift to Generation EasyJet was a rather big change and, for whatever reason, they have altered the criteria for its second run to exclude past applicants. Whether this is a temporary or more permanent change remains to be seen. As disappointing as it sounds, there's not a lot we can do at this point and my best advice would be to call CTC Aviation directly on Monday. I feel that nobody on PPRuNe will be able to provide you the answer you're looking for and that the guys at the school will be best placed on this occasion.

P.S. remember that easyJet are only one of many airlines out there that run this types of program. :)

Efato75kts 29th Apr 2017 15:04

I will ring in on Monday and get full details

Jenna_Aviatrix 29th Apr 2017 15:30

Yeah I'll definitely be calling them on Monday Gbotley :). If they say anything different to what we already know, I'll let you guys know

FlyVeryHigh- 29th Apr 2017 16:10

Can anyone shed any light on whether any males have been successful in having their loan underwritten by ezy? I'm confused as to how they market the Amy Johnson initiative for females, then also say they will underwrite loans for outstanding applicants?

EGPF 1st May 2017 22:05

On a side note: apparently there is going to be a new series called "easyJet: Inside the Cockpit" which will look into the training provided by CTC for easyJet cadets to the point where they become first officers! Sounds truly intresting for those planning to apply next year maybe, and it's going to be on ITV.
Source: Realscreen » Archive » ITV books ticket with ?easyJet: Inside the Cockpit?

ManUtd1999 3rd May 2017 19:07

Salary
 
Can anyone help out with some up-to-date salaries for Easyjet FOs?

1) Pilot Jobs Network states a SO salary of 43900. Is this the salary UK based cadets go onto once they get off Flexicrew?

2) At Flyer a few weeks back CTC said that the 69,000 bond is repaid to you over 7 years if/when given a permanent contract in the UK. Is this repaid on top of salary or as a tax free allowance (eg, your "salary" is reduced to 32000 + ~10,000 bond)

Diving_Aviator 3rd May 2017 19:30

Long time lurker, finally sent off my application for Easy today... From what I've read in the previous Easy MPL thread, both of those statements are correct:

1) Flexicrew might not exist by the time you get there.

2) It does give you a slight tax advantage, but then... it's your own money being paid back as part of your salary

Good luck to everyone else applying this year!

momo95 3rd May 2017 19:34

For the CTC bond your salary gets reduced by £1,000/month and you are then "repaid" your training bond on top of the remainder. At least that is how it was explained to me by CTC

Edit: Just to add CTC didn't come straight to the point and say your salary was reduced, they said you are put on a different contract when you become permanent and the new salary is essentially low 30s ... i added 2 and 2 together

ManUtd1999 3rd May 2017 20:42


For the CTC bond your salary gets reduced by £1,000/month and you are then "repaid" your training bond on top of the remainder. At least that is how it was explained to me by CTC
This is how I thought it worked aswell.

It's worth pointing out aswell that no cadets have actually graduated through the Generation Easyjet scheme yet. It's therefore hard to know exactly what terms are going to be offered and when.

Anyone else's info on this is much appreciated!


when I finish training (2019)
On that note, early 2019 also happens to be the date the UK leaves the EU. Without wishing to be too negative or turn this into a political thread, that carries signifcant risk of an economic downturn, at which point all bets are off as to what potential T&C's would look like anyway. Needles to sa this is a worst case scenario but it's one worth considering given the sums of money involved.

jswift98 3rd May 2017 21:28

how come the easyjet selection day is over two day, how is it split? Do you have to pass day 1 in order to get through to day 2?

ScotWings 3rd May 2017 22:15

Yeah, if it's the same as last year, you need to pass day 1 (technical) to be invited to day 2 (interview and group task)

doz111 4th May 2017 10:22


Originally Posted by ManUtd1999 (Post 9760236)
Can anyone help out with some up-to-date salaries for Easyjet FOs?

1) Pilot Jobs Network states a SO salary of 43900. Is this the salary UK based cadets go onto once they get off Flexicrew?

2) At Flyer a few weeks back CTC said that the 69,000 bond is repaid to you over 7 years if/when given a permanent contract in the UK. Is this repaid on top of salary or as a tax free allowance (eg, your "salary" is reduced to 32000 + ~10,000 bond)

1) Yes
2) Tax free allowance. Your salary is reduced by the exact amount of bond repayments you will receive

EGPF 16th May 2017 11:25

EasyJet has posted an article on pilot career live announcing that they will be having the biggest ever recruitment drive as of June, they will be recruiting 450 new pilots!

They have also released salary information;
"Cadet Scheme £40k-£50k
Second Officer £40k-£50k
First Officer £54k-£58k
Senior First Officer £66k-£75K
Captain £114k-£146k
easyJet note: The total reward package includes flexible rosters, basic pay, on target bonus and sector pay and other allowances plus employment benefits such as pension. All these ranges are based on pilots working full-time. There will also be part-time (at 75%) and fixed rosters (paid at 90%) contracts available."

Article: https://www.pilotcareernews.com/easy...uitment-drive/

planesandthings 16th May 2017 19:31

Marketing drivel again, What isn't mentioned is despite all this growth,profit and celebration, they still expect up to £130,000 to be borne by the cadet if you want to join the ranks. Who wanted to buy a house anyway?

Clearly Brexit obviously isn't worrying them as they made out to be.

Another kick in the teeth for many of us :ugh:

ManUtd1999 16th May 2017 20:17


They have also released salary information;
"Cadet Scheme £40k-£50k
Second Officer £40k-£50k
First Officer £54k-£58k
Senior First Officer £66k-£75K
Captain £114k-£146k
easyJet note: The total reward package includes flexible rosters, basic pay, on target bonus and sector pay and other allowances plus employment benefits such as pension. All these ranges are based on pilots working full-time. There will also be part-time (at 75%) and fixed rosters (paid at 90%) contracts available."
By my calculations based on the Flexicrew rates mentioned on here a cadet would have to fly 900hrs and get a further 4-5 standbys a month to earn 40,000 year 1. That seems quite unlikely, but perhaps the pay scales have changed (fingers crossed)


Marketing drivel again, What isn't mentioned is despite all this growth,profit and celebration, they still expect up to £130,000 to be borne by the cadet if you want to join the ranks. Who wanted to buy a house anyway?
Agree 100%. Especially seeing as BBVA pulling out of the loan market would appear to have torpedo'ed any chance of a loan guarantee.

Speedbird148 16th May 2017 20:56

The skeptic in me would be hesitant around "Total Reward Package". As I know from my current non-aviation employer that my Total Reward Package paints a much nicer picture than my take home salary.


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