TP rating Vs Jet rating
 

Hello again all,

Still not made my decision weather or not to go down the pay2fly route it's really going against my grain 😖 that I'm even thinking about it.

If I was to go for it ......Is it best to do a jet 737/320 or TP ATR/Dash/sabb what are people views on the pro/cons to doing one over the other.

What are the chances of securing a job without hours on either ? Or do you need hours ?

Please keep to the topic If you can I have read many comments on how many people feel regards pay2fly !I have mixed feelings about it to. I have met many pilots who have gone down this route and work for major carriers and I have spoke to them regarding the moral issue and many said they were against it but it will never stop and all the while your digging in your heels saying I will not pay !!!! The guy next to you will and it's the world we live in now. They also say do what you feel is right for you and don't worry about what people think.

I'm seriously thinking about it , but if I can I am trying to work something out without paying for line training if possible. Any thoughts on which is best jet or TP hours no hours moving on from TP to Jet ?

I'm a weekend instructor 1900TT age 32.

Thank you in advance

It would be helpful to know where you're from. "earth" whilst technically correct is a bit vague WRT giving advice.

Twin hours? Experience other than instructing? Willingness to move?

Jets in Europe are more marketable than turboprops.

Located in Sheffield willing to move , I have 100hrs multi

From what I can gather, a speculative type rating without suitable hours is largely a waste of money. You don't have the multi hours to get away with just a type rating.

Have you spoken to Multiflight?

Whether it`s a Boeing 737, Airbus ATR or 319/320, Dash 8, they`re all the same. The differences between the turbo-fans and advanced heavier turbo-props are fairly minimal however many hiring policies have not been updated to reflect this as yet. There is still a "perceived" training risk when transitioning between the fans and the props (both ways) so it can be harder to jump between these two classes. There`s pros and cons to either fans or props when it comes to conditions / lifestyle however the operator has a lot to answer for as opposed to type. IMHO, Regional TP flying (ATR or Dash 8) is the best choice for a number of reasons which I won`t go into now.






If you`re self sponsoring without a job lined up, then you must be willing to move anywhere to get that first job and you might have to wait a while, factor in 1 or 2 revalidations. ATR has actually become the most popular regional aircraft with a huge order book. There are more operators per type than any other aircraft worldwide so increased chance of interviews. The fact that a lot of people still feel they need to fly a "jet" (yawn...) often leaves an opportunity for the wiser.

Totally disagree with Microkid - go with a jet rating. I started flying the airbus two years ago and I have to say that it is very different to even modern turboprops. Different systems, varying complexity of systems, completely different handling characteristics and posing very different operating challenges.

Easier to operate in some ways but more difficult in others.

Yes, not sure about the Dash 8 but the ATR is well known to be a more complicated type rating to obtain compared to other popular types (737, 320 series etc). However after having operated the above types over 15 years as a TRI I can tell you, it`s all the same s%%t. Few small differences, engine management/handling + anti/de-icing systems are more complicated on the TP`s however energy management during descent is about the largest challenge you`ll face on the TF's.


My advice is not to differentiate with the TF's and modern TP's, a career on either is equally satisfying. You often get pilots switching between the 2 looking for a better life although supply & demand restricts this movement during periods of recession. The important factors for most are the operator and location, location, location.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-the-size-and-shape-of-the-world-airliner-fleet-revealed-in-our-415505/

That should help the decision making process but I agree - don't let the choice of turboprop or turbofan dictate everything else in your life. If I am honest flying TP is more fun but generally less well remunerated. A quick look around the jobs pages will tell you where the jobs are but caveat emptor! Ratings without enough time on type are a big, expensive risk.