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altiplano has a point here
why not use all this money and go for an MD degree , at least its a professional job
lets face it , at the end of the day is a monkey job (a driver) , that why companies r treating you like that

Oh yes that's right I'll spend another c.£30,000 (prob a lot more now that tuition fees are up and MD is much longer) on another degree for something that I never wanted to become. What a splendid idea. :ugh:

Of course we are not happy about these "schemes". All very well to jeer from a North American perspective but right now in the UK these schemes represent an entry into the profession that is very hard to come by. Every time one is announced thousands apply...come on, you don't realistically think that someone can just stand up and stop this wannabe army at the drop of a hat? The only hope was those already in the profession...but they have sat by and watched...:E

At the end of the day they get away with putting so much cost on the applicant because they can. The low cost carriers are on a solid financial footing and loads of people want to work for them. After a few years of pain their Ts&Cs are not too bad...that is how they get away with it. Pain today with reward in the future.

There is very little "self improver" hierarchy left in Europe like there is in North America, it is often either the airlines, instructing on barely livable pay or nothing. The airlines know this, hence the era of large flight school contracts like easy/CTC and the general stranglehold that the large integrated schools have on the industry. I don't like it but I don't see it ending any time soon. :hmm:

I agree, I have always believed that the blame for the current farce lies firmly with those that first accepted the current way of doing things. Had they all rejected, i'm sure things would be better today. For the forseeable future though, with thousands applying to these schemes the airlines and FTOs have no reason to stop the current method and they won't.
Finally, N.America is alot worse than the uk for wannabes. I mean how many american airlines offer schemes that can get you in the right hand seat of a jetliner in 18 months ?, fair enough the pay is horrific for the first few years, but i'd rather have that starting salary working on an A320 than slaving away in some flight school with your only hope of getting out of it being a turboprop @ around $12,000 dollars a year. For the current moment, you either suffer for the first few years or go look for something other career.
Personally however my dream has only ever been to be a pilot and it aint't gonna change. I would much rather spend the £45,000 that I would doing a degree in something that I have absolutely no interest in (leading to a very boring life for me) on flight training leading to my dream job.

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yeah I wanted to become a prince but when I found out that my dad isn't a king I gave up , between dream and obsession is a fine line.
your choise , keep throwing money with some hope or walk away from the poker table and invest in realistic thing
good luck in both ways
ps : MD degree was an example

To be honest jag I don't really get what you are on about. Most of the people on here what to become pilots, myself included. That costs money and there are varying degrees of certainly attached to that money. We all know that.

No qualification guarantees a job, I have plenty of friends with degrees in this and that that don't have jobs either since graduating. Flying is no different. Call it a poker table if you will...

Anyway if we could get back to discussing easyJet CTC/OAA I'm sure the original poster would appreciate that...

Well there is also a very fine line between wanting to be a pilot and a prince, with one being impossible from the moment of birth, and the other being a possibility with the right work rate. Therefore it's ludicrous trying to compare the two.
Back to original post, I don't think I can say much more than dont apply for an untagged integrated scheme. Of course OAA etc will continue to advertise their courses as being the bee's knees, but an example I think i saw on here about OAA was an ad they ran, claimed to have placed 156 pilots with ryanair, when the sad reality was that over 400 graduated from them that year, you do the math :)