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When checking out the Employment Statistics of OAA, you will see that there are cadets now flying for major airlines like KLM, Singapore, Cathay and Qatar.
How is that possible? These airlines are asking 1500+ hours, aren't they?

The stats only list when someone who had anything to do with OAA (i.e. did the ground-school only or the full Integrated) changes job.

It's not restricted to your first job.

Every time you change job you will reappear on the stats page - a bit misleading really.

{EDIT}
Turns out it was an honest mistake that I appeared twice on the list (I guess if they did it for everyone for every job move, the stats would be hugely misleading, showing hundreds of 'placements' every year.

If you were that company, and you wanted to attract more students, what would you do?

Go back and re-read the claims, they don't refer to the figures in a way that would indicate that they are an accurate representation of the percentage of pilots who have taken the full course.

So they can report that pilot A, took a class or had their flight review, or an instrument check, or something, was a student. And that pilot A got a job with company B, C, D, E, and F. But since they don't list the correlation between pilots and jobs it comes out as:
Pilots who've taken courses: 1
Jobs obtained by pilots who've taken courses: 5

The cathay ones are joining as cadets. They had to do a 3 stage interview including flights in light aircraft to get a place on a course that will basically teach them to fly again and they then have jobs a SOs. Nothing at all to do with OAA.

I'm not sure that's correct. As far as I'm aware the statistics are the same as the ones published in their building which are listed course by course (integrated and modular). They can't/don't publish your name and course twice if you have changed jobs...

In terms of KLM and Qatar - they start off as SO's. Cathay, as stated above, you go through full training again. Not sure about Singapore...probably as a SO though.

Singapore?? I wonder they fly for which airline in Singapore

So they've shelled out £100k only to be accepted onto a course which is free for everyone else. You've got to feel a tad sorry for these people.

KLM had a few second officers trained there that then went to the 747 and 777.

I would imagine people not finding jobs and applying to the cadet schemes and re-do their training.

Yep the cathay guys are re doing the training, I heard somewhere that they were re doing all the flying but that the groundschool may have been waivered if they did a short conversion course to hong kong atpl's!

And as for the qatar guys, they don't have to re do anything, they will join as second officers, I think its promotion to first officer after unfreezing the licence. However they have already been quoted the figure of at least 4 years to unfreeze the licence and get promoted, as with 2nd officer status, they will only be credited with half the actual flight time!! This is why someone I know ditched qatar after being accepted and went to ryanair instead!! I guess didnt want to spend 4 years as a safety pilot!!

Oke, but how is it possible that these cadets fly with those major airlines? Can all cadets apply for jobs with i.e. Qatar?

The OAA statistics represent the first job students obtain after leaving employment, not every job they get in their entire career.

Many major airlines run cadet schemes, or have a history of doing so, prime example being British Airways who will without doubt re-start this tradition at some point in the future. The likes of Qatar are starting to run such schemes through flight schools. In terms of it being a 'major' airline, well in terms of fleet size and customers, easyJet and Ryanair are major airlines even though they are low-cost, they take cadets and the flying is no different, operating the same a/c types as you would at BA or Qatar.

If you go through OAA, depending on the criteria of the airlines you are able to apply for the cadet schemes as they become available. The Cathay Pacific scheme I believe is not run through OAA and is a separate application.

Is this likely? Or are they more likely to go down the BE type route? Surely its a cost they are not likely to want back when they really dont have to.

Two months ago, the internal BA Flight Ops newsletter mentioned the possibility of recruiting some SSP (self-sponsored pilots) from the likes of FTE, OAA and CTC.

No mention of any kind of "Cadet" programme.

Smell the Coffee, that sounds about right. I dont see why they would phase sponsorship back in when they know they can get people who have self sponsored, and still put them through a thorough assessment at the end.

Is the past relations with BA not the reason OAA has the prestigeous stigma about it?

Pug, I can't claim to be an expert on OAA or its relations with other Companies ... so I won't comment.

I AM in a position to read BA's Flight Ops newsletter and speak to BA flightcrew, including those involved in recruitment, on a weekly basis.

None has mentioned any form of Cadet scheme on the horizon, and all have consistently mentioned the same old schools - that's just the way it is with BA. They take a very conservative approach, and like to deal with tried, tested and approved suppliers.

Rightly or wrongly.

Thats fair enough, it was more of a general observation really.

It seems to me (and i must point out my very low 40 hours) that for OAA graduates the biggest opportunity is currently Ryanair. As far as i have worked out, the Ryanair route is not restricted solely to OAA graduates, or even intergrated for that matter.

I'd love to know how OAA come by their stats. According to the current league table, my lot took a couple of Pilots from them during 2010. Hmmm... interesting, as far as I know the company only employed 6 new FO's last year....of which the only connection would appear that 1 of them did his ATPL's on modular correspondence with them(several years previously!). What the other connection is, nobody seems to know:confused:

I get the impression that if you so much as even take a 'whizz' in that place then....well you know where im going!:}

This simply means that some of their students have ended jobs with these carriers (not necessarily first job), and they simply use this to advertise. It would be more interesting to know how many unemployed students they had in the past i.e. 10 years. Typically flight school propaganda.

OAA.com - Oxford Aviation Academy ...


Just under one per day in 2011! Awesome!

I'm sorted, it can only be a matter of time before I get a call...

Utter, utter, utter pish; next they will be telling us that they taught Pontius his trade (well, they do like to crucify us...)

One graduate employed by Jetstar Asia in 2006.

How would that be? The Company didn't exist then!!!!


Netjets 16 graduates in 2009 and none since. This was a guaranteed employment programme when it ran. What happenned to the other 32 graduates that Oxford reportedly put through the Netjets programme?