Just how long exactly have people been waiting for their first job?
 

Hello, it's been over 2 years since i completed my integrated course at Jerez. Just wondering how long others have been waiting?

:ugh:

9 1/2 months and counting for me.......keep plugging away A330, things are gradually improving.

Best of luck.

2W2R :ok:

we'll get there in the end & i'll make sure i say no to P2F all the way!


A330

Yeah hopefully.....I too will never go down the P2F route....not just because I totally disagree with it but I haven't got the money in the first place!!! :(

2W2R :ok:

Well for a start all those that have payed for a JOC have not only pissed money into the wind but also cut themselves off for any turboprop jobs.

There are a few jobs kicking about TP wise both skippers and FO's but none that would ever consider a less than 200 hour intergrated bod. I think we have a 2000 hour FI starting soon once he has completed the sim.

I get to pick and choose CV's so any intergrated (which there is a bloody lot actually for a **** kicking TP outfit) get dumped in the bucket. Even a 1000 houred instructors are now getting to look low houred. And how do you go for a pilot that has more hours than myself for a FO job when I am a LTC?

But define first job?

I started working three months after completing my CPL and IR doing GA work, I work freelance for three different companies all on SEP.

I actually get paid (although very little) and love the flying and experience I'm gaining, does this count as work though, for some it's not a "proper" job before it's on the right seat of a jet!

2.5 yrs no work, back to univ and getting my master's degree.

'those that have payed for a JOC have not only pissed money into the wind but also cut themselves off for any turboprop jobs.'

Mad_Jock, is this actually the case? Was thinking of going for a MCC with JOC, but do turboprop recruiters see it as a problem?

2.5 years since licence conversion from Canadian CPL/ME/IR. Previously gained 800 hours air taxi experience. One job offer in that time which I graciously declined for various valid reasons...

Keeping my eye on TP operators but the hiring pot still seems pretty dry :sad:

Im at 1 year and 4 months now. Sucks!!!!

1 year and 6 months...

2 years this month since MCC.......

Finished MCC Feb 08, 2 'nearly' jobs, but both operators went tits up..so 2.5ish years:ugh:

Finish MCC Sept 08, so 2 years.

Avoid P2F like the plague! It is only the most likely way in if people are either to stupid (lack of thinking ahead) or too rich to stop and bring this damaging practice to an end. I myself have been present in a sim assesment, where a candidate that had no real hope of successfully completing a 737TR first time, was graded a training risk, only to have this over turned. reason? excess sim availability and the ability to get more money out of the candidate when they would need to repeat sim sessions! The management of airlines consists of bean counters. They are only interested in lowering the bottom line. This also applies to recruitment. Sadly most airlines have allowed HR departments to completly cock the selection system up. P2F lowers safety. Any monkey who scrapped through a CPL/IR can apply and probably be selected. Its an almost no risk position the airline finds itself in. The student takes all the financial risk. The candidate, if really unsuitable, can be dropped at any time.
On another note, paying for an MCC/JOC course is not a waste of time. If you have a fATPL and want to sharpen your skills for the enviroment in which you wish to be employed (multi-crew) then there is no reason why not to. Most sims are of a level that enables you to get some handling practice of a swept wing, high performance jet. Far more practical experience than bombing around in a C152 hours building, although staying current in terms of stick time is a must! Someone who has got some high performance aircraft sim time (JOC course) and some light aircraft stick time and kept 'Current' stands a far higher chance of employment than someone who has sat on their arse for 2 years, only keeping their IR and medical current. Got an Air Cadets gliding SQN near by? Become a Civi Gliding Instructor. Training is free, expenses for travel and subsistence are paid for and after 7 hours on a TMG you can do a check ride, get a TMG rating and hey presto, you can revalidate your SEP rating at the same time.
As the Middle East and Asia recruit. so airlines higer up in the pecking order in the UK need to recruit. This means those in the regional sector looking to move upwards will be able to do so. The regionals will always need to recruit when the cycle gets going full swing.

Interesting thread, I hope to be training come new year for cpl/ir.

If people don't mind me asking when it was clear 2 years ago this ****e depression was here to last did you not believe it or to far already down training to stop.

Are you all working else where at moment and keeping up with loan payments?

Keep plugging away, good luck to you all.

1 Year and 2 months...back to university...

Luckily i had my self employment to fall back on, and am earning more than the average first officer in what i'm doing now, but i don't really enjoy it anymore, as i just want to fly! I'm managing to pay my 4 loans off each month and to get 2 hours a week flying in, which i have been for the past 12 months.

Unfortunately it's only single engine time. I did look at maybe flying 1hr multi a week, but decided to stick to the SEP stuff :ugh:

Totally agree with B/B/B...... just keeping the IR and Medical valid won't cut alot of ice when things pick up. I couldn't afford to hire even a 152 having some nice loan repayments to make etc so I know what it's like. Managed to get a Cabin Crew job with a major UK outfit and shortly after volunteered with a company down the road doing some part time instructing with the public on 737 and 747 full motion sims.(red letter day type stuff). No pay initially but a nice way to spend my days off from Cabin Crew and valuable full flight jet sim experience. Then after a month or so managed to get taken on full time and thats me for now.

Money :(
Experience :):):):):)
Fun :):):):):):):):):)

1 month.

Finished in November 2008 after the crisis hit (I would have gotten a job on a Avro or A300 if it was a few months earlier).
I decided that Europe held no promise for me and went on adventure in Africa. Got a job there 2 days after I arrived.

Best desicion I ever made!

It's not a jet job but I came to realize that getting on a jet straight away is like having dessert first. Quite happy in my Cessna 210 over magnificent Africa!!