People that have problems are given time to correct them. If they dont correct them, they dont pass. This is not a driving test which you can take 100 times then pass on lucky 101. This is testing for an aircraft , pick it up quick or else start sending CVs to your local bus company.

As for The Beak,

Do you have Ryanair experience, come on??
My mates at ryanair blah blah rubbish doesnt count.
Fair enough you dont like FR practices...dont partake in them, easy.

Your posts no longer hold any creditability. Nothing personal but they don't.
Where people source their funds is none of your business and the way you commit about them is disgusting. Your thinking will get you nowhere fast.

ei 022 while i agree calling these ryr hopefulls parasites might be a bit rough,saying someone i.e the beak has no credibility because you dont agree with there opinion is a little narrow minded.

as for saying the beaks thoughts will prevent him advancing in his career i fail to see how.i share some of his beliefs and it doesnt seemed to have held me back.quite the opposite infact.maybe you might to elaborate as to how

is think asking if he has any direct ryr experience relevant so he can have an opinion? no i'd imagine.do you have direct experience on everything you hold an opinion on,because i certainly don't

referring to mates experience is not rubbish is it?we base alot of our decisions on others experiences

i do agree with you about its not a driving test, and you do need to progress.but progress quickly...im not so sure.most trainers i have dealt with seem to be able to adjust their training methods and pace to suit the candidate and enjoy the challenge.i think alot does come down to the efforts of the candidate though

I do love it when people say things like:

Are you the messiah? No? Then could you please put that my posts do not hold credibility to you rather than making a sweeping statement on behalf of the population? What's there to believe or not believe in? It isn't about believability. It is my opinion for people who are seeking advice to read, assimilate and compare with all the other opinions given on here.

Yes they can be fixed. In this instance it wasn't. Poor speed control towards Vref, too early a flare and not pulling the thrust levers all the way back are all reasons for it so don't discard it as nonsense.

I also love it when all the 'cool dudes' come on and give their quick laissez faire 'definite article' post and then claim that they shaln't be checking back. The gods have spoken. Just rememeber boys and girls, you're nothing without your mummy and daddy. Where would you really be without them backing you? Not subsidising Ryanairs passengers.


As always, assuming it was a male.

Blackred, thanks for answering the rest, I shaln't repeat what you have already written.

I have spoken nothing but the truth and quoted natural rules and nobel peace prize winning writers.

Thinking is a time consuming process, I'd say the same applies to anyone. My knowledge will get me anywhere and everywhere however, which can't be said for some of you.:E

Why don't you use some of it to get your arse out of the job centre?

Pfff...hahaha...so lets get it straight, your knowledge got you an fatpl by the most expensive means (integrated) and then it got you into a bankrupt airline and into the dole queue.

Wow beak you really are a genius. Do you realise that some people who joined ryanair did all their training modular ie. less than 50k - then paid for the type rating and are now earning in the region of 60 grand a year? Idiots!! They should have listened to you all along, and then maybe they would be flipping burgers in mcdonalds alongside you!

Thanks a lot guys for the many and elaborate answers!

It all makes a lot of sense what you are saying and I personally could not really believe that people get chopped without extra help provided or reasons given. After all people do learn at a different pace and making mistakes is just human and part of the game. I have found that flying is not easy but it definitely is not rocket science either. Becoming a proficient pilot is down to training and attitude.

The more I hear about RYR from the insight the more I get the impression the company is not bad at all. They do expect a high standard but they will help you succeed. After all they need a lot of pilots to fly their airplanes. All the bad rumors about them do not add up when you talk to people actually working for them. But I thought I would rather want to find out before I actually sign the check (should I ever get the chance to :rolleyes:)...

Ha ha ha......:{

I can imagine your little minds ticking over as to what I do and how I trained. You have this mental picture and it isn't correct. I am not jobless.

I don't think many of you have an fATPL. You're too cocky.

Anyway, I'll check back to see how things progress with this debate but I am not having an argument with a bunch of people I don't know and haven't met, on a computer.

The Beak, March 2007:

How did you manage to go from a silly little ppl holder to an all knowing chief test/training/super pilot in around 2.5 years?? I'm very impressed.

I love the fact that you say you passed the army and navy selection hahaha now that's funny.

By the way Mr Beak in March 2007 I was 22 years old with a whole 1 hours flying experience...now I fly in the RHS.

But I'm nowhere near as intelligent or knowledgeable as you. I'm just a lowly newbie pilot with **** all experience oh but I do get paid to fly aeroplanes. And no I don't want fries, thanks for asking.
:ok:

I'm watching this as a reader only and have my own opinions as to who are the real pilots here (and therefore qualified to comment) and who aren't.

The Beak and others can, I feel, safely ignore that famous Walt Halfbaked Boy* aka Phantasm** aka Reluctant737*** who in one thread wrote.... .....yet today said.....
He's deleted some of the comments now but given his propensity for b*ll**** I've taken to saving them for posterity. Perhaps now he's out of the equation you can get on with debating the matter at hand.



*Claims to be a PPL, or is it fATPL?
**Claims to be a 747 skipper.
*** Claims to be a RYR FO.

My little mind is ticking over alright, seeing as you dont have a degree and no flying job and a pig ignorant stuck up attitude - im assuming that you are not exactly being head hunted into high paying jobs at the moment. I'll have forgotten about all this nonsense by tomorrow morning of course, as unlike you i have better things to do with my time than spend my life on pprune criticising strangers - like flying a 737 accross europe for example.

The part i don't get is why is it just ryr getting the bashing, last time I looked they're far from the only ones charging for TRs?
Theres plenty of guys and gals that paid for their overpriced TRs with other airlines and have gotten chopped for many reasons,

should this not be a industry in general bashing topic rather than JUST ryr?? :confused:

Oh and beak, is it ok to have mummy and daddy back up my loan since i spent all my money from my previous career paying off college debts? is that allowed??

Flinty,

You're in error mate, so let me clarify. I'm a PPL, 130 hours, and finished my ATPL theory last month. One of the posts you referenced above was a reply I made to a query in the Pro Pilot Training/Studies forum.

My replies to the medical diversion thread in the Rumours and News forum about an hour ago were not deleted by me, and now I can't view that forum either, so I've PMed a mod about that, but I assure you it was not my own doing, I thought they were sensible suggestions!

As for last night, I made a post or two in here and yes, I did delete those because I knew it would spark off an argument which has been had over and over in this thread from reading it through. I like to give sensible input.

I don't know to whom I'm being compared, but please get your facts right, I'm not having a go, but I am who I am and it's no secret to a few on here!

as i have said a few times now already referring to people sponsored by mummy and daddy as parasitic is wrong.but judging by the way ye have all responded to the beaks comments i think ye have proven to be ridiculous.

its like watching a load of children throwing toys out of their prams,if you dont like what he said then debate like adults

dont degrade someone who differs to your opinion.

listening to people degrading those employed in a fast food restaurant as though that makes someone a lower form of life.

this is why he made the comments he did because the implication is that daddy pays for your rating and licence and then you lose all perspective of how priviledged you are.so rather that expressing your gratitude for the fortunate position you find yourselves in, like spolit kids you sneer at those less fortunate.or those that choose to question the values you have been instilled with.

all ye had to do was say yes daddy did pay for my rating and im incredibly lucky and grateful, instead one individual reckons he has paid back 35k in 5 months and another start being patronising towards those on minimum wage.what a way to respond.ye have just proven everything he was getting at, someone else added something about only comment on things you have direct involvement with!!?:rolleyes:

well done:ok:

You cannot be serious? TheBeak comes on here and calls people parasites? I'm supposed to reply by pouring my heart out to him about how fortunate and privileged i am?

For the record now that you have brought it up, i do feel extremely grateful and fortunate to be in my position. Believe me life hasnt always been so kind, i know how good i have it now. I also have people very close to me who have lost their jobs recently - and there is no shame in that as there is a massive recession on over here. There is no shame at all in working in low paid jobs, or being on the dole now at this time.

The only person coming on here with the intention of sneering at people is the beak.

Yes, once again another potentially constructive thread descends into a dick-fight thanks to our resident saboteur derailing it with personal attacks at post 3. Of course those on the receiving end are going to reply, some more diplomatically than others, some more assertively. As I said before, Beak is entitled to his viewpoint, but it is the privilege of each reader to decide how much value and credibility to attach to it. Zero would be my suggested figure.

Beak's monotonous and repetitive attacks are based largely on misinformation, assumptions and figures that he has plucked out of his @r$£. He also seriously underestimates those that do make it to the right hand seat in Ryanair. Even the calmest, most restrained Bhuddist monk would probably give him a thump in the nose if he had the balls to speak to people face-to-face in the manner that he writes here.

Take his ramblings with the pinch of salt they deserve. As for his addiction to cutting and pasting from Wikipedia, online dictionaries and quotations; here's a little something you might enjoy:

"Over and over and over and over. / Like a monkey with a miniature cymbal"



Cheers, TT
(former high street chain coffee boy, paid my own way, not afraid of an honest days work, but still a parasite!)

TT,

Now that 2245 'edit' was very interesting!!

Why did you just remove your reference to a previous military flying career?

I had assumed that you had completed a SSC, then did your 'coffee bit' prior to landing a commercial gig.

Care to elucidate?

BN

Fair enough. I don't really want to bang on about it too much. I know how boring 'when I was in the RAF...' stories can get and since I've already mentioned it in this thread I decided to chop that bit out.

The fact is I served as a commissioned officer and frontline pilot for several years, saving money to my best ability. I left, did my civil licences, modular, with the money I had saved only to find the employment market looking pretty desolate. I spent the best part of a year seeking flying employment, with virtually no leads coming up, despite having a fairly respectable aviation CV. In that time I worked in Starbucks. I am not afraid of an honest day's work whether that be leading a formation at low level through Iraq or making cappucinos for £5.80/hr. I do not consider myself too good for any job. It wasn't my dream long term career but it kept my head above water for a while and gave me the freedom to give 7 day's notice and take any opportunity that came up.

Ryanair offered me a position and I gratefully accepted as it was by far the best option I had. On joining the company I have not found a single person who regrets joining up, and it therefore irritates me somewhat to be on the receiving end of such abuse, especially when so much of it is factually incorrect. Beak's facts, figures and generalizations are so wildly inaccurate that occasionally I feel obliged to put up a counter argument.

So there you go. That's me. Any questions?

Edit:

And to pre-empt another regular point that comes up: Am I just trying to buy my way into a jet job when I should work my way up as in the good old days? Well to answer that, my experience is in a multi-crew aircraft with two gas turbine engines. Despite that I applied for everything from light aircraft ferry flying, bush flying, instructing, GA, bizjets, every airline on the planet etc. That fact is there's even a waiting list to be an unpaid glider tug pilot these days. Ryanair is a damn good opportunity in such a market.

Incidentally, I make a mean coffee. Seriously. One of my most satisfying skills.:ok:

Irishpilot,

I think you will find that 'Beak' affords us the courtesy of proof reading his posts!

BN

Pretty much my thoughts too, and something that isn't really fully acknowledged by the criticism of SSTR schemes.

In someways the risk/reward ratio is possibly acceptable. In other cases it certainly does not seem to be so. Do you pay upfront and risk loosing the money for the benefit of a high salary later or do you take a reduced salary? My most preferred option would always be the latter - a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush! One also has to consider how a low cost airline pays so well for some, maybe because some others earn a pittance?

For me the risk was minimal, I didn't pay for my TR upfront, but the cost will be recovered by the company over the next couple of years. As it always was for fully sponsored BA cadets, etc. Few organisations are going to be willing to reduce their competitveness by passing training costs onto either their employees and/or customers.

You must remember the tax consequences too. A SSTR is paid by after-tax money. A company sponsored TR is paid by pre-tax money. That's an enormous difference.