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waqas 2nd Jan 2010 16:52

advice plz
 
hey every1,


Can some1 plz tell me its better to go for air bus 320 rating after finishing CPL


Thankx

747TDR 3rd Jan 2010 18:45

After finishing CPL?

It's better to do a University Degree!

Unless you have spare wads of cash laying around and wanna fly the 320 for fun!

:ugh:

dawsonj1 3rd Jan 2010 23:30

Flying Currency
 
Hey guys I'm new to this online forum business so forgive me if I'm putting my post in the wrong place.

Basically just finished all my flight training with approx 210 hours and was wondering what the general opinion was on keeping current in the way of flying; i.e. I was planning on trying to keep my instrument skills fresh with about an hour in an FNPTII per month and an hour or so actual flying on a single or multi if money permits!

Would just be interested in what other people in the same boat think is reasonable for the time being whilst we all wait for better times?

Thanks, James.

Journey Man 4th Jan 2010 07:18

@dawsonj1

I would save money and just do the hours in an aircraft/sim before your renewal. I had two years waiting for my first flying job, so have been through this and here's my advice.

With 200 hours, I challenge anyone to say they could happily jump back into an aircraft and fly well after a long break. At 200 hours, we just don't have the depth of experience to draw from to feel comfortable after a long break. Keep practising your instrument skills on Flight Sim, practice holds, intercepts, etc. Get a decent twin model and put the display on just the instruments. Practice the instrument procedures so that they're second nature (use 8168 to check you're practicing good habits), then you only have to re-adjust to being in an aircraft, which is where most of your concentration will go after such a big lay off. You need to be comfortable to successfully complete an ME/IR especially at unfamiliar airports, and here's where FS can help again. I'm not sure a commercial flight sim will bring you many more benefit than FS - and FS is considerably cheaper. If you have a friend who's in the same boat, get together and one flies, one gives ATC. I know this sounds terrible geeky, but you get out what you put in and a professional attitude can achieve the same result as sitting in a commercial sim with a recently qualified FI. You've done the IR, you know the procedures. :ok:

If it's your first renewal you can do a renewal in the sim. I've never been to Bristol, but they seemed very switched on and helpful last time I spoke with them. If it's not an initial renewal, then you need to get up and budget to do one or two hours with an instructor before your test. I'd bunch the hours up into the pre-test period rather than doing an hour here and there. And getting in the air again can help you realise why you're hanging tough for that first job. Helps the sanity no end...!

Good luck with it

Journey Man 4th Jan 2010 11:32


Originally Posted by waqas
advice plz
hey every1,


Can some1 plz tell me its better to go for air bus 320 rating after finishing CPL


Thankx

No. No. And no. You must cast your net wider and do type ratings in A320, 737 and 757/767. Don't forget to get hours packages on all three. (You might even be able to negotiate a discount as you're doing more than one type rating...)

Welcome to the New World of Aviation!

A330ETOPS 7th Jan 2010 19:11

I agree that this is one of the only ways to get a first job at present, but only for them who have the cash! Such a shame that only them with money are able to pursue a career in aviation at the minute. I'm from a working class family who have done all they can to help me fund my atpl(f), and unfortunately there is nothing else i can do now as i have no more money and will not be able to get any further loans until all of my 4 loans taken out for flight training are paid off in 8 years time

Journey Man 8th Jan 2010 07:51


I agree that this is one of the only ways to get a first job at present.
Not so, there are jobs, people are being taken on although if the only job people want is airline then you are probably right. TP and charter jobs are out there.

turbotone 11th Jan 2010 11:27

charter jobs?/
 
Where are the charter jobs?

Sassy91 13th Jan 2010 08:38

i really enjoyed reading this thread. my first time posting on this website and thread, iv always read but never posted. anyways... what the experienced pilots are telling us wannabees is forget about pilot training and go find a 9-5 job. am i right?
so what happens when all the 10000hr captains retire? they cant fly forever. how many jobs will that open up? 1 long haul captain retires, a FO is promoted to his job, a domestic pilot gets the FO job, a turbo prop pilots gets promoted to the big airlines, a charter pilots gets a job with the regional airline and then somewhere a fresh CPL wannabee gets his first job! thats 5 jobs right there from only 1 captain retiring! i know there are thousands unemployed but thats not forever! those numbers will thin out and there will be jobs once again.
thats just my 2 cents, first post,
but i could be wrong...im just a wannabe

ToneTheWone 13th Jan 2010 09:14

Nice try Sassy but one retirement means one opportunity at the bottom of the ladder. If it were only true that one job turns into 5 we'd all be in work.

And sorry Journey Man, if you think there are jobs in the charter market - and by that I take it you mean biz jets etc.- then take it from me that that market has been hit harder than the airlines. Sad but true:(

Sassy91 13th Jan 2010 10:17

well mate i meant 5 jobs in the big picture. but i guess you are right. im off to find a meaningless job then...

ToneTheWone 13th Jan 2010 10:43

My advice would be to get a trade/profession, earn some money and if you really want to fly, take your time, afterall you do that on your side. Timing is everything in this game but make sure you have something to fall back on. I didn't get my first paid flying job till I was 38. 46 now with 2200 hours, TP and jet experience but nothing out there. Bt the time things pick up I'll be too old, so l think my flying days are through. But at least I do have other skills I can rely on.

Good luck whatever you do:ok:

Sassy91 13th Jan 2010 11:28

i know i know. but what i get from this thread is that there aren`t gonna be anymore jobs, the proffession is not open to new comers, there is enough pilots for the rest of time etc etc
i do have plans to fall back on but if i give up flying it wont be easy looking at pilots and thinking "wish i had stayed with my flying. could have been me in that seat." and im not talking about just airline flying.

PPRuNe Towers 13th Jan 2010 18:53

Sadly Sassy you are in a particularly desperate situation,

You're writing from a country that financially assists the training costs for many aspiring pilots. Something the UK and Euro wannabees often dream of.

The actual result though is that you qualify and (generally) become an instructor.

Each instructor needs a number of students to survive. Which means attracting more students, usually by loudly touting the financial assistance. Who in turn become instructors - who need students.

And so it goes on - a giant pyramid swollen by 'demand' at the very bottom of pro aviation.

There is no significant demand from the top end of the industry in NZ resulting in bloated GA ranks scrabbling to make a minimal living.

In my part of aviation I work with New Zealanders who simply can never work in their own homeland - well, perhaps as an instructor:ugh:

Rob

Sassy91 13th Jan 2010 20:00

yes you are right. but the govt is really thinking of cutting off the student loan scheme for pilots, because a interest free 100k loan sure is attractive. its too late for me to turn back now. iv already invested 30k or something into it. so quitting now will just be a waste of so much money. but im paying for pretty much half of the whole training myself with my part time job which pays decently, thank goodnes.

Journey Man 15th Jan 2010 13:50


Originally Posted by ToneTheWone
And sorry Journey Man, if you think there are jobs in the charter market - and by that I take it you mean biz jets etc.- then take it from me that that market has been hit harder than the airlines. Sad but true

Not biz jets, perhaps lower your sights? There is MTP and MEP work out there.

ecso 16th Jan 2010 12:59

Wizzair is recruiting in Eastern Europe
 
Check this out: Wizz Air

belongins 1st Feb 2010 20:27

Get back in your cardboard box DJ and get that buger flipping action honed - i think we're gonna need it son :) hahahaha

zak1983 7th Feb 2010 09:07

back to my old job after getting my IR, but nevertheless applications to airlines will be made! :ugh:

when are the professionals predicting times will get better? (im off the so called integrated course what a waste in hindsight, modular route would have been better!):confused:

Photon85 21st Mar 2010 05:42

I was contemplating posting a new topic, but I think I'll just join the crowd here and post my situation / questions.

I started training in August 2007, when people were leaving and getting jobs with as few hours as 200, it all seemed so nice and sparkly, but alas, it was the top of the proverbial roller-coaster, and it all came crashing down.

At the moment I'm working as a flight instructor in Florida, and I've also seen what the times have done to the outflow and influx where I work.
There has basically been no outflow of instructors at all in our school for the last 1.5 years or so, all the senior instructors have stayed put, because there is no where else to go. No matter if one has ATP and 2000 hours.
The students keep on coming, though in a diminished rate, but what I see now, is something that kind of looks like a slow change in the trend. Maybe we have reached the low part of this roller-coaster, and we're ever so slowly changing the vertical speed?

In the last few months many of the senior instructors have been at interviews, and just lately several of them has left school to go work with corporate, freight and even regional airlines.
Maybe some light at the end of the tunnel? I'm no Nostradamus, so I won't preach the second coming, but still, as I'm stuck here, I can at least save a glimmer of hope :)

Now, onto myself. I'm preparing to leave Florida, and return home to Northern Europe. I'll be leaving with a FAA CPL-Single/Multi/IR, CFI-Single/Multi/IR, and about 800 hours, of them about only 70 hours multi.
In October/November, I reckon I will have my JAA CPL/ME/IR + Frozen ATPL + MCC.

I'm not tied down anywhere, so I'm willing to go to anyone who is willing to offer me a job flying anything with two wings and 1+ engines anywhere in the world.
What I'm not willing to do is pay someone to kill the profession AKA Ryanair or the likes.
I Understand that SSTR is starting to become more of the trend, but I wont sell my soul to pay for line training or any other idiocy like that (I will pay for a type rating if there's a genuine GOOD job offer at the end of the rope though).

Thankfully I have made some friends working over here, with some students seeded around in places like Korea, Nigeria etc, I'm hoping that little Network will pay me back, and I can work anywhere as long as its not extremely hazardous.

Am I in for a long wait as well, or what are your guys' expert opinion?


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