A320 first officer vacancies?
 

Hi guys,

Anybody has an idea or knows about vacancies on the A320?
I am type rated with no hours on the A320.
Just 300 hours on piston engines.
UK/CAA CPL/IR licence with frozen ATPL
I would appreciate any help.

Thanks

Whats your total time?

There are none!!

Narwhal,

What jobs were available when you did your type rating course? What's your total time?

L Met

Did you pay for your TR? :uhoh: :=

And you've never paid for any training then?

Chilli Corneto, please don't think you are in any position whatsoever to judge how someone goes about their training - From the CTC Wings thread, I know that you have not even started your professional training! Highly underqualified to make any such judgement - pass your ATPL exams, get all the licences and ratings, then you might be in a better position, based on some actual valid experience, to comment. Not so long ago you posted that you were "still very new to the industry" and apologised for making incorrect assumptions.

Gulf Air and Etihad are both looking for rated Airbus guys, although both I think are specifying time on type. Gulf Air might look at you if you have a significant amoun of total time - something in the region of 2000hrs. Air Arabia are also looking at present. Aer Lingus recently advertised for pilots, although selection is now closed. A few to pursue there.

I know some in Asia - give me a shout if anyone is interested...

Cheers all,

Pie

PAJ I'm still entitled to my opinion despite my level of experience or progress through training. I'm sure I wouldn't be the only person to cringe hearing someone pay for a type rating with not guarantee of a job at the end of. Granted I can't say I would be guaranteed a job when I finish my training but nobody is going to be able to answer that!

Being "new to the industry" does not mean every assumption I make will be incorrect so I don't really appreciate you painting me as someone who knows :mad: all about the industry. I may have made a couple of mis-judgements but I can assure you I have looked into every area of training with a fine tooth comb! Including the dangers of self funded type ratings and the can of worms that is paying for line training. Again just becuase I haven't experienced the professional training personally does not mean I do not know what is involved.

I'll drop the matter now and look forward to more qualified replies!

CC, the initial question was, does anybody know whether there are any opportunities for TR'd A320 guys with no hours on type. Your response was to come back and clearly imply that paying for a TR was the wrong decision to have made. What I struggle with is where the constructive advice sought is in your post! What use is 'cringing' about the fact that the TR has already been paid for, apart from just be-littling a fellow pilot. There are not many other professions out there where a forum such as this would work, and that is testament to the fact that us pilots tend to look out for each other. You are by no means unique in having an opinion about paying for line training/TRs (I have my own opinions too) but in a thread like this, I just think you have been plain insenstivive, and quite frankly useless! Your lack of experience/ qualifications aside, perhaps your opinions would be better placed in another more suitable thread where a debate on the subject might actually be useful or constructive!

Paj,

Even if CC has only just embarked (or not even started) his/her professional training at least they know purchasing your own TR without any significant (1000+) hrs on type is a bad thing. Looks to me if they've got one of the major issues solved! The next is Gen Nav.

L Met

hey

a320 type rated with hours on type, seeking job at the moment. if anyone knows of any. willing to go anywhere in the world, oxford integrated with type rating at GCAT gatwick.

550hrs total
368 on type

many thanks guys

Hi Narwhal,
You should try to contact Turkish airlines like Onurair.
It seems they hired A320 type rated pilot few months ago with low hours on type (and low hours TT).:ok:

You can join the queue behind this guy..............he's similar situation and been looking since late last year. Some tips in this thread you might be able to follow up though;

http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...ng-320-fo.html

Chilli,
As a potential CTC Wings cadet I'd hardly say you're in any position to be criticising anyone on the topic of buying their way in. You might want to look a bit closer to home first.

hey. any ideas on how to apply to onur air.i tried their website but it seems to be down and the email address on ppjn doesnt seem to be in service.


thanks guys

James D, don't worry about people that think it's shameful to pay for a TR.

I know many low hour pilots that have payed for their own type rating and currently, there are employed in great companies (737 in Europe). Some of them are Senior FO now.

Some people wait, wait and wait without a job and some other pay to have the chance to start their career. That's life.:)

No your not allowed to do that, Going Modular then paying for a rating and even hours on type, god forbid. You become a low life who will never have sex with another human being again and bits of you might well drop off and often do.

Then again if you go Oxford or CTC, or for that case any Integrated, not only do you get offered a job with a big airline, you get a gold plated license and a brand new shiny Audi, (it used to be a BMW, but as Top Gear pointed out, Audi's are now driven by :mad:'s), if you get to Ryanair, like lots of integrated students do, not only have you had the privilege of paying lots more money for a fATPL, but you also have the privilege of paying out for a TR, great! And lets us not forget, 'this is not just a fATPL its a INTERGRATED fATPL'.

Or so I am told.............

The reality of course is quite different, People will do whatever helps them get a job, end of. Moaning that it is wrong, well that does not get you anywhere. But we can all moan and bitch, just look at the thread regarding a young 777 FO.
The airline industry does not owe you anything, so people will pay for ratings and hours on type, heck at the moment it is cheaper to get 500 hours on a 737NG, very new ones at that, than 500 hours in a old C172.

Not saying its right, but lets keep it real.
Happy flying
FC

All i can say is HA!

all thinking of paying for a TR take note! It doesnt work!

Well done CC - its good to know there are some new pilots coming through with abit of sense!

as for this comment

I would never call anyone who has payed for a TR/line training a fellow pilot. they are pay-to-fly wanabe's.

So what about Ryanair? Are their First officers, who have paid for their type ratings pay to fly wannabe's also.

Sometimes there is no other way but to pay...

Or do some proper flying like Air taxi, FI, turboprops etc etc. thought I would add that before we start going over the same topics.

Try the Thomas Cook vacancy website.

They are looking for Type Rated A320 and B75/76 pilots.

Roller

That accounts for 90% of easyJet & ryanair then...

:rolleyes:

No one employed by easyjet paid for line training. The few that did recently were shown the door once their 150hrs of fun was over. So I don't know where you get all this 90% stuff from. A large number of ezy pilots paid for their initial TR though, that cannot be disputed. Although I got a B737 rating on joining and an A320 rating 12 months later, I think it was buy one get one free that year:}

Anyone who goes through CTC effectively pays for their jet rating with absolutely no guarantee of a job. I'm not criticising anyone who does this, paying for a TR is becoming common practise. Paying for line training is a crock of :mad: and is the next big threat to industry T&Cs.

Good luck Narwhal, to be blunt with 300hrs I can't think of anywhere, certainly not within Europe.

Rated people go through.
 

Hey guys.We should help each other and not argue between us.
I know people with just a type rating and low flying piston hours that got jobs. They had contacts and they knew they would get a job sooner or later.
Is it about knowing people in key positions?
Unfortunately i dont have an aviation background,a captain father or a person in a high position to help me as many people have.
For those saying that you cant get a job with low hours Aer Lingus is a good example.Unfortunately i heard about it a bit late.

SW1 I posted that information yesterday see post 21. Unfortunately as usual with this Forum people are so busy arguing the toss about rubbish that they ignore the useful information.

Guys although I don't agree with paying for a TR, I do realise that sometimes to get on in life it takes a gamble or two. So why don't you all stop bitching and combine your efforts into helping each other.

Roller

Did you guys see the minimum requirements??:oh:

Minimum requirements:

- Valid A320 / B757 type rating and in recent flying experience
- 1000 hours total time.
- >500 hours on A320/1 or B75/767
- Valid JAR ATPL Licence
- Valid JAR Medical
- Right to live and work in the UK

Yes I did but the thread is A320 Vacancies. This is an A320 job so fits the criteria.

Not when the opening poster has 300 hrs.

Yes but it's not just the opening poster who will look at the thread. Besides worth a try even if you don't exactly fit the criteria. A320 Vacancies is A320 Vacancies if the thread was titled A320 Vacancies with NO hrs on type I wouldn't have posted.

Get the picture?

From Untitled Document, it says TCX pay 2.58£ per hour is that block hours or duty hours? What would be the average amount of hours during the summer season?

Thanks

Minimum requirements:

- Valid A320 / B757 type rating and in recent flying experience
- 1000 hours total time.
- >500 hours on A320/1 or B75/767
- Valid JAR ATPL Licence
- Valid JAR Medical
- Right to live and work in the UK


Guys, if I have all of this except the last one, do I have any chance?
What do u think?

No chance, sorry

Just a bit of trivia from the States.......

Southwest Airlines has required a type rating "in hand" prior to any hiring for as long as they have been in operation. The only relief they gave anyone was that they could interview if not in hand but it must be completed prior to hiring. In other words you buy it!

No one has ever called them on it before but they are, and always have been the biggest pay for training operation anywhere!

There are countless pilots who bought the 737 type only to be left at the alter by SWA. (no not me)

The rules have all changed today. Every company is looking to leverage the jobs by having the pilots subsidize the taining program by coming in typed and current.
Watch the job boards as the placement services keep quoting "New Terms" to try and entice pilots to jump ship to go to another operator. We are a commodity and those companies only want their fees!

New world out there.:sad:

anybody heard back from thomas cook?
ive an interview next week

Type Rating
 

I think it is absolutely ridiculous for anybody to critisize somebody for going out and getting a type rating. Like any profession (Doctor, Lawyer, Businessman etc) school and degrees are required to reach their objective in life. Those who critized only do so because they don't have the money, or are not willing to invest in their career. Everybody has a different situation. I can see, however, how people would dislike the FO programs where people pay to work. That is completely different, now you are just paying to be a pilot, rather then paying to become a pilot.

Furthermore, If you pay for your own training, you are not obligated to any training contract (or a much smaller training contract), and therefore have the abilitiy to leave and look for other positions should the airline start going in the wrong direction. The 13-15,000 USD that is invested is easily recouped after a few months at a good airline.

I would think this forum is to help and gather advice from our fellow aviators, not to put people down for investing in their own future. Just my two cents.

+ Rate, Gear up!

CaptWUFF

I could not agree more with you CaptWUFF!!