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Looking forward to read all about the announcements. :-) Who will be there?
By the way, are there anyone here who will do the assessment on July 28? It would be great to share a ride from London or Southampton.
By the way, are there anyone here who will do the assessment on July 28? It would be great to share a ride from London or Southampton.
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Hey guys,
Anyone from the ATP pool get through to Cathay stage 2 in Hong Kong on the 25th?? If so pm me, would be good to meet up before the interview stages next Monday.
Anyone from the ATP pool get through to Cathay stage 2 in Hong Kong on the 25th?? If so pm me, would be good to meet up before the interview stages next Monday.
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Well, here's something new I can tell you. Everyone in the ATP hold pool received an email in Feb. this year with a chart indicating the seniority position of all ATPs. I know someone that recently (+-July) asked CTC if their rank/position had since changed and they replied that it had only gone up one position...since Feb. Sure, this can't be seen as very exciting news, but in the same email they sent in Feb. they stated that they would not be taking in any ATPs in 2011. So, I guess there's two ways to look at the present situation.
How long will you have to wait....only CTC can answer that and I'm guessing you already know the answer.
How long will you have to wait....only CTC can answer that and I'm guessing you already know the answer.
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I'll pitch in something to chat about. What do you reckon the chances are of ATP'ers being offered interviews with BA next year along with wings cadets in a similar way to what happened this year with Cathay?
Also Maverick, people can still apply for the ATP scheme and as far as I'm aware they are still completing AQC's.
Discuss away
Also Maverick, people can still apply for the ATP scheme and as far as I'm aware they are still completing AQC's.
Discuss away
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Yes, that's something weird, they haven't offered any job to the ATP for years, but they keep recruiting them... With the 2 pools system, cadets & atp, it's very unlikely that we will get a placement, they should really think of joining the actual 2 pools together and stop selling hope to the atp, that's quite unfair! I feel like I paid for a training that allow me to be in a pool that I can't get out. And I am starting to be tired of hoping for something that never comes. 
It's very early and that's my first thought in the morning :-s
It's very early and that's my first thought in the morning :-s
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Unfortunately "hoping for something that never comes" is the common condition for today wannabes... eventually, again I hope, that day will come..
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Yes, that's something weird, they haven't offered any job to the ATP for years, but they keep recruiting them... With the 2 pools system, cadets & atp, it's very unlikely that we will get a placement, they should really think of joining the actual 2 pools together and stop selling hope to the atp, that's quite unfair! I feel like I paid for a training that allow me to be in a pool that I can't get out. And I am starting to be tired of hoping for something that never comes.
The ATP scheme is a short (enhanced MCC) course for people who may have bought their commercial flight training elsewhere. The cadet scheme has been a circa £90,000 investment by people who have spent both that, and 18 months training with the organisation. An investment of less than 10 percent of that sum, doesn't and shouldn't put you on an equal footing when it comes to possible placements. What it does do, is to provide a top up reserve when the supply of cadets is insufficient to satisfy the customer requirements. Over the last few years that has been almost non-existent, however things may be looking a little brighter on the horizon.
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I didn't say that we should be put on the equal, I am stating that they should get rid of the ATP pool if they don't need it anymore, they should place the 30 people from ATP pool and then close the scheme. I don't see the point of re-opening some ATP recruitment when guys have been crawling in the pool for years without an opportunity.
Have the ATPs a real chance to get a placement with easyjet? I am not sure at all. But when you go on easy jet recruitment pages, they direct you to the CTC website to candidate as an ATP.
"I think flight 123 to CloudCuckooland is now boarding at gate 1."
That's the opposite, I just said my opinion, at the moment they re selling false hope, and I don't think that's very honest.
Have the ATPs a real chance to get a placement with easyjet? I am not sure at all. But when you go on easy jet recruitment pages, they direct you to the CTC website to candidate as an ATP.
"I think flight 123 to CloudCuckooland is now boarding at gate 1."
That's the opposite, I just said my opinion, at the moment they re selling false hope, and I don't think that's very honest.
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I didn't say that we should be put on the equal (footing)
they should really think of joining the actual 2 pools together and stop selling hope to the atp, that's quite unfair!
As for "selling hope" what is it that you think anybody buying professional flight training is subscribing to? People buying lottery tickets, stocks and shares, pension plans, etc.... They are all buying "hope" if you think that is "unfair" then don't buy it. What I suspect you really mean, is that "hope" turned out not to be the "Guarantee" you hoped it might.
What you have purchased is an enhanced MCC course. The "bonus" is a possibility of placements if and when there is a requirement. I would get out there and start selling yourself, rather than worrying about something that simply isn't yet a widespread reality in the current marketplace.
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at the moment they re selling false hope, and I don't think that's very honest.
Look at the figures (not the pretty ones in the shiny brochures), and the answers are there in plain black and white (if it's not in black and white, it's probably some clever marketing font choice in a shiny brochure and should be taken with a pinch of salt*).
They sell the training and offer the hold pool... the false hope is supplied in ample amounts by the punters more often than not.
*If you've already been starry eyed and suckered, you may wish to wash down the salt with Tequila and lemon. It numbs the pain.
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Hi Guys,
I have recently passed the interview with CTC at Dibden. I have been offered to take part in the Airline Qualification Course which costs 7000pounds.
Do you know someone taking the course now?
What about the waiting pool? A lot of people there?
Possibilities of getting hired?
I don't know any guy from Spain in the program so it's quite difficult for me to fin information about the program. I read the previous post but i didn't find the current situation of the pool.
Many thanks for your help,
Rgds
I have recently passed the interview with CTC at Dibden. I have been offered to take part in the Airline Qualification Course which costs 7000pounds.
Do you know someone taking the course now?
What about the waiting pool? A lot of people there?
Possibilities of getting hired?
I don't know any guy from Spain in the program so it's quite difficult for me to fin information about the program. I read the previous post but i didn't find the current situation of the pool.
Many thanks for your help,
Rgds
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albertoara29,
I completed the course almost 6 months ago now with four other guys and we were 38-42 in the pool I believe. As far as I know, there has been no movement at all from the ATP pool for a long time. I have no idea how many more guys and girls have gone into the ATP pool behind us- maybe someone else will be able to shed some light on this because CTC have not sent out an update to me or the guys that did the AQC with me. There will undoubtedly be guys that have got jobs off their own backs, so to speak, but I don't know how many.
Also, it's worth noting that the cost of the course is £8,400 not £7,000 as V.A.T is currently 20% in the UK.
I completed the course almost 6 months ago now with four other guys and we were 38-42 in the pool I believe. As far as I know, there has been no movement at all from the ATP pool for a long time. I have no idea how many more guys and girls have gone into the ATP pool behind us- maybe someone else will be able to shed some light on this because CTC have not sent out an update to me or the guys that did the AQC with me. There will undoubtedly be guys that have got jobs off their own backs, so to speak, but I don't know how many.
Also, it's worth noting that the cost of the course is £8,400 not £7,000 as V.A.T is currently 20% in the UK.
Albertoara,
Save your money. The previous posters have made it very clear that there is no movement in the ATP hold pool. Take a look at the current situation in the economy. Several countries in the EU are about to go tits up, we are probably going to enter a second recession and the airlines are about to go into their quietest two quarters. Your money is best kept under your mattress.
There is a fairly good chance we'll lose a couple more airlines this winter. We all know what that means.
I know it's hard to accept the truth but sometimes we have to face the facts, sit tight and be patient.
Save your money. The previous posters have made it very clear that there is no movement in the ATP hold pool. Take a look at the current situation in the economy. Several countries in the EU are about to go tits up, we are probably going to enter a second recession and the airlines are about to go into their quietest two quarters. Your money is best kept under your mattress.
There is a fairly good chance we'll lose a couple more airlines this winter. We all know what that means.
I know it's hard to accept the truth but sometimes we have to face the facts, sit tight and be patient.
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G-ADAM,
When you say 40 guys in the pool, do you refer to cadets+ATP or only ATP?
I have a ray of hope because BA is to recruiting 800 pilots (400 cadets) and CTC is one of the providers (it will suppose a great movement in the pool) since as far as I know the average production capability of CTC is 100 pilots per year.
Bear in mind, aviation is being in the right place at the right moment.
Student88,
I'm really conscious of the current situation of European Aviation. Hundred of pilots have been laid off in recent years. But what are the options still valid for a low-hour pilot?
-Asia (No without TR and 500h on type)
-RYR (TR 30000 if you succeed in the interview)
I've been thinking about taking the FI course or ACQ after being noticed I've passed. I know you have to wait several months even years (1-2). I'm not in a hurry as I'm in the third course of BA (Business Admin) so I have time to wait.
When you say 40 guys in the pool, do you refer to cadets+ATP or only ATP?
I have a ray of hope because BA is to recruiting 800 pilots (400 cadets) and CTC is one of the providers (it will suppose a great movement in the pool) since as far as I know the average production capability of CTC is 100 pilots per year.
Bear in mind, aviation is being in the right place at the right moment.
Student88,
I'm really conscious of the current situation of European Aviation. Hundred of pilots have been laid off in recent years. But what are the options still valid for a low-hour pilot?
-Asia (No without TR and 500h on type)
-RYR (TR 30000 if you succeed in the interview)
I've been thinking about taking the FI course or ACQ after being noticed I've passed. I know you have to wait several months even years (1-2). I'm not in a hurry as I'm in the third course of BA (Business Admin) so I have time to wait.
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ExMilRedundancy,
I know their cadet program but Cathay it's an exception like a drop in the ocean. I know other options such as Susi Air in Indonesia and other small companies.
Do you know something about CTC program and the waiting pool?
Rgds,
I know their cadet program but Cathay it's an exception like a drop in the ocean. I know other options such as Susi Air in Indonesia and other small companies.
Do you know something about CTC program and the waiting pool?
Rgds,
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There must have been a little movement within the ATP pool in the last few months as I flew with a F/O the other week who had been with us for 2/3 months, prior to that he was in the ATP pool with CTC.
He'd waited in the pool 2 years for the slot to come up mind...
He'd waited in the pool 2 years for the slot to come up mind...
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albertoara29,
When I said 40th in the pool, I am talking about the ATP pool only. When we left, I heard that the wings pool still had around 40 people too so, in essence, we were 80th. I have no idea how many wings cadets are in the pool at the moment, but it changes all the time as a few come out and more join the back of the queue. We had a wings guy on our AQC that has been told he will start his TR with EZ in late September, early October.
BA will take from CTC but they are not taking any current cadets as far as I'm aware. They are taking 30 per year from CTC (and the same from OAA and FTE) and all of them will be 'tagged' by BA from day 1 following a rigorous selection process. Anyone who has already commenced training will not be eligible for BA, only those that BA take under the FPP. So BA taking cadets helps no-one that has already started training.
Nobody knows what the future holds for the industry and things change in the blink of an eye. If we enter another recession, who knows what that will mean for recruitment- a blindingly obvious statement, but worth thinking about when considering an £8,400 investment in an MCC+JOC with NO guarantee of a job. And if you were to get into easyjet, you are required to pay around £10,000 contribution towards the cost of a type rating too. Granted, overall it's cheaper than FR, but the big factor is that you are not guaranteed a job where as with FR, unless you are very unlucky, you are.
CTC are keeping their cards very close to their chest and are not giving much away with regard to the ATP movement. I only know of one person that has managed to get a job that was in the pool and I believe he had 'good contacts' at the airline he was selected for. I may be doing him an injustice, but he finished the AQC on the Thursday and started his type rating on the following Monday so you can draw your own conclusions.
WB Vortex- can I ask what airline you work for?
Mac72- I haven't heard from them since the CX email which I think was in May? That's the only correspondence I've had since completing the course in March.
When I said 40th in the pool, I am talking about the ATP pool only. When we left, I heard that the wings pool still had around 40 people too so, in essence, we were 80th. I have no idea how many wings cadets are in the pool at the moment, but it changes all the time as a few come out and more join the back of the queue. We had a wings guy on our AQC that has been told he will start his TR with EZ in late September, early October.
BA will take from CTC but they are not taking any current cadets as far as I'm aware. They are taking 30 per year from CTC (and the same from OAA and FTE) and all of them will be 'tagged' by BA from day 1 following a rigorous selection process. Anyone who has already commenced training will not be eligible for BA, only those that BA take under the FPP. So BA taking cadets helps no-one that has already started training.
Nobody knows what the future holds for the industry and things change in the blink of an eye. If we enter another recession, who knows what that will mean for recruitment- a blindingly obvious statement, but worth thinking about when considering an £8,400 investment in an MCC+JOC with NO guarantee of a job. And if you were to get into easyjet, you are required to pay around £10,000 contribution towards the cost of a type rating too. Granted, overall it's cheaper than FR, but the big factor is that you are not guaranteed a job where as with FR, unless you are very unlucky, you are.
CTC are keeping their cards very close to their chest and are not giving much away with regard to the ATP movement. I only know of one person that has managed to get a job that was in the pool and I believe he had 'good contacts' at the airline he was selected for. I may be doing him an injustice, but he finished the AQC on the Thursday and started his type rating on the following Monday so you can draw your own conclusions.
WB Vortex- can I ask what airline you work for?
Mac72- I haven't heard from them since the CX email which I think was in May? That's the only correspondence I've had since completing the course in March.