Is the hiring boom over?
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So true... I'm a wannabe and a lot of what I read here is just making me doubt myself for wanting to become a pilot, as if I were crazy or something... I do believe this situation will change industry forever as 9-11 did but I seriously doubt there will not be a place for cadets some time in the future, hopefully there will be in a near future (two years) than far future (ten years).
Some people should start hoarding aluminum foil for their tin hats instead of so much toilet paper...
Some people should start hoarding aluminum foil for their tin hats instead of so much toilet paper...
One is people wanna train and they believe its the right thing, as we all believed at one stage
Then you have people who “been there, done that” are telling you not to do it.
I’m personally of the opinion to keep your cash as long as you can. Dont give up, but dont be going all out on this as this could be a lengthy process.
Theres still a few airlines possibly to go belly up, and realistically speaking market will be flooded with professional and rated pilots.
The problem is, the true reality hasn’t kicked in yet, and people still think the pre-virus way.
Give it some time and you will see the changes, firstly flight schools will start to drop their prices, you might be in a better position.
But as it stands, the aviation is dead. All you have to do and look at the FR24 to see it happening.
No EZY Planes, No RYR, No Norwegian, No Iberia, etc.
And me a current and thousands of hour pilot Im out of job for foreseeable future!
good luck
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Guys, finishing the entire training, ("zero to hero") in 18 months / 2 years is the best case scenario.
Loads of other factors are involved, school organisation, training outcomes, eventually exams to be repeated, aircrafts which go on maintanance, no slots for flying (eg. between CPL and IR).
I can tell, I ran around 4 schools.
So I wouldn't be too scared about the current situation, consider 2 years as minimum.
If you consider also the time to get a type rating and a line training (like MPLs) add something like 8 months more, the pandemic will be over sooner.
Loads of other factors are involved, school organisation, training outcomes, eventually exams to be repeated, aircrafts which go on maintanance, no slots for flying (eg. between CPL and IR).
I can tell, I ran around 4 schools.
So I wouldn't be too scared about the current situation, consider 2 years as minimum.
If you consider also the time to get a type rating and a line training (like MPLs) add something like 8 months more, the pandemic will be over sooner.
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Furthermore a modular route, can be furtherly spreaded, allowing also people to keep their current jobs.
I'm my opinion if you have to sell you house to become a pilot, of course, think it twice.
If having a loan is not such a huge problem, I wouldn't be so concerned, considering a time lapse of 2/3 years.
Airlines which were booming before the pandemic, will expand even more with emptier skies (look Wizz).
I'm my opinion if you have to sell you house to become a pilot, of course, think it twice.
If having a loan is not such a huge problem, I wouldn't be so concerned, considering a time lapse of 2/3 years.
Airlines which were booming before the pandemic, will expand even more with emptier skies (look Wizz).
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Guys, finishing the entire training, ("zero to hero") in 18 months / 2 years is the best case scenario.
Loads of other factors are involved, school organisation, training outcomes, eventually exams to be repeated, aircrafts which go on maintanance, no slots for flying (eg. between CPL and IR).
I can tell, I ran around 4 schools.
So I wouldn't be too scared about the current situation, consider 2 years as minimum.
If you consider also the time to get a type rating and a line training (like MPLs) add something like 8 months more, the pandemic will be over sooner.
Loads of other factors are involved, school organisation, training outcomes, eventually exams to be repeated, aircrafts which go on maintanance, no slots for flying (eg. between CPL and IR).
I can tell, I ran around 4 schools.
So I wouldn't be too scared about the current situation, consider 2 years as minimum.
If you consider also the time to get a type rating and a line training (like MPLs) add something like 8 months more, the pandemic will be over sooner.
I truly hope this is a V shape recovery pattern but the more time the airlines are grounded the more U shape the recovery will be... a long U that is.
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What absolute hogwash. The trouble is people on here may actually believe you 😩
There will be hundreds, perhaps thousands, of pilots laid off in the UK alone over the coming months. A sizeable proportion will probably never get another flying job.
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What exactly is unbelievable? Take easyJet for example: they have a relatively young pilot workforce, with no real retirement bubble imminent. There is no reason to suggest that attrition will be particularly high. Considering that it is highly likely easyJet will shrink their fleet by a third or more, resulting in significant pilot redundancies, why would you think that they'll have any need for new hires within the next ten years? Bear in mind that easyJet has been one of the major hirers of pilots for the past couple of decades.
There will be hundreds, perhaps thousands, of pilots laid off in the UK alone over the coming months. A sizeable proportion will probably never get another flying job.
There will be hundreds, perhaps thousands, of pilots laid off in the UK alone over the coming months. A sizeable proportion will probably never get another flying job.
But if the industry shrinks... there will be overpopulation, yes..
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Anyone thinking on getting a job in any type of airline in EU land anytime soon is just dreaming on. Not stating just my own opinion, but also stating reality facts. Have a little research on how many airline have disappeard in just last 3 years: Monarch, Air Berlin, WOW, Germania, Primera Air, Cobalt, XL , Aigle azur, Air italy, flybe... that's just in EU in 3 years. It gives cold chills down my spine.
Is true the saying in aviation that "In hiring/good times you compete with 100s of pilots, and in bad times you compete with 1000s of pilots". So the reality is that there is a lot of experienced chaps on all types (737/320/330 etc) with thousands of hours of commercial flying that are or will be looking for a job. For a new CPL pilot i can not imagine a worst scenario at this moment.
Be really wise on the decision to embark on a career flying in this exact moment, as it could be said without exagerating that even if you would start training now from scratch you are likely to never find a job. How long the recovery will take nobody can tell, as no one can see the future.
Is true the saying in aviation that "In hiring/good times you compete with 100s of pilots, and in bad times you compete with 1000s of pilots". So the reality is that there is a lot of experienced chaps on all types (737/320/330 etc) with thousands of hours of commercial flying that are or will be looking for a job. For a new CPL pilot i can not imagine a worst scenario at this moment.
Be really wise on the decision to embark on a career flying in this exact moment, as it could be said without exagerating that even if you would start training now from scratch you are likely to never find a job. How long the recovery will take nobody can tell, as no one can see the future.
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I know because I had my Loganair Sim Assessment cancelled and only Flybe or ATR rated crews are being recruited. Eastern want their FOs to have 1000 hours (I do) and 500 multi (I don't: 52).
Then there's Norwegian. Delta. Qantas. Air New Zealand. VA & Gulf states various all cutting back. Missed anyone?
Then of course we are leaving EASA allegedly. But here in Scotland we may rejoin if independent. Talk about slowing to Va...
Maybe Spain is doing better? Any recommendations?
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I foresee zero expansion in the short to midterm. Command prospects will slow for those fortunate to keep working. There may even be redundencies in the low cost sectors with "junior" Captains reverting back to right hand seats. If you are very newly employed you might find yourself seeking an alternative workplace. easyJet for example has 330 ISH aircraft with 100 orders BUT a majority shareholder who wants in the region of 250 aircraft which he considers the most cost /profit effective number.
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Avalon just cancelled their multi million order of 75 B737Max aircraft, and many other airlines are doing the same, not only with Boeing, but Airbus order are being slashed too.
So based on that, take it that there will be no expansion, but downgrade only, and as it stands theres 1000s of over qualified Pilots on the market already.
So to commence the training now, just to be another sardine in the water... hmm Id think twice.
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It's just impossible to make any predictions. It could be a horrible couple of years with orders being cancelled and airlines going bankrupt, or the industry could contract this year and then start recovering again next year and boom for a few more years.
It's a cycle, at some point it will go up again. How much will it sink? How much will it bounce back? Impossible to tell. I think the next 2-3 months will be crucial to get a picture of what the industry will do. If restrictions start being lifted gradually, we may experience a gradual, slow but steady recovery, with pre-Covid levels to be reached in a couple of years.
Much depends on the outcome of a possible vaccine.
It's a cycle, at some point it will go up again. How much will it sink? How much will it bounce back? Impossible to tell. I think the next 2-3 months will be crucial to get a picture of what the industry will do. If restrictions start being lifted gradually, we may experience a gradual, slow but steady recovery, with pre-Covid levels to be reached in a couple of years.
Much depends on the outcome of a possible vaccine.
The summer season is lost. So winter will be the earliest to see some tiny recovery in demand. This thing will take some years to buff out for sure. Aircraft manufacturing rates will tell us a lot about the industry's recovery assumptions. GE cut the engine production by half already.
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The summer season is lost. So winter will be the earliest to see some tiny recovery in demand. This thing will take some years to buff out for sure. Aircraft manufacturing rates will tell us a lot about the industry's recovery assumptions. GE cut the engine production by half already.
2021 will be very hard for any new guys to get a job. All the guys on courses have had they courses frozen, and expect a lot to hire unemployed guys first, through various union agreements. 2022 is the earliest, and that is being extremely optimistic of the aftermath of this current situation. Sit tight, hold on to your cash.
Expect house price crash, negative equality, millions defaulting on their mortgages, rent etc., because unprecedented number of people all over the world are loosing their jobs and their income.
Travel will not be the priority for most when the economy starts to open up.
I know guys few days before their command courses just got stopped, guys working their notice periods in their current company getting told by their new company that contract was cancelled, back in the hold pool for unknown time. People with job interviews lined up, all just stopped up, within few days notice. It has been brutal out there in the world of aviation, and it's going to get worse over the next few months unfortunately.
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Yes, the boom is over for a while at least.
As the cyclical nature of aviation it will pick up. My back of fag packet prediction FWIW is about 3+ years.
If you are just out of training and young then just be nothing more than frustrated. It will pick up and if the airlines etc keep their relationship with the FTO's then you will get the assessment when the market picks up and any rated experience jet pilots are absorbed back in the system.
Its more worrying for pilots in the turbo-prop/different type of flying category who historically airlines were not overly interested in. For example, anyone here (like i was) in the mid late noughties with Tprop time trying to get a job with an airline over a new integrated student. It rarely happened and i believe this will be the case again.
As the cyclical nature of aviation it will pick up. My back of fag packet prediction FWIW is about 3+ years.
If you are just out of training and young then just be nothing more than frustrated. It will pick up and if the airlines etc keep their relationship with the FTO's then you will get the assessment when the market picks up and any rated experience jet pilots are absorbed back in the system.
Its more worrying for pilots in the turbo-prop/different type of flying category who historically airlines were not overly interested in. For example, anyone here (like i was) in the mid late noughties with Tprop time trying to get a job with an airline over a new integrated student. It rarely happened and i believe this will be the case again.
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Serious question, how likely could this bankrupt an individual out of training with debts, if they do not get a job for 2 years?