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Old 11th Dec 2019, 08:56
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Flybe FO Pay

Hi all,

I've been lucky enough to be accepted on to the Flybe MPL scheme with L3 and now have the task of organising the funding. I believe my route will be to organise a secured loan, and so that I can present a potential lender with a well thought out repayment structure, ideally I need to know how much I am likely to earn in years 1-5 with Flybe. I've had a search online for this but not sure how accurate the info is I've been finding. If anyone is able to give a solid estimate on year 1 and average increases thereafter including sector pay etc I'd really appreciate it!

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Hi all,

I've been lucky enough to be accepted on to the Flybe MPL scheme with L3 and now have the task of organising the funding. I believe my route will be to organise a secured loan, and so that I can present a potential lender with a well thought out repayment structure, ideally, I need to know how much I am likely to earn in years 1-5 with Flybe. I've had a search online for this but not sure how accurate the info is I've been finding. If anyone is able to give a solid estimate on year 1 and average increases thereafter including sector pay etc I'd really appreciate it!

Cheers!
You should be able to find a rough estimate of salaries on Glassdoor where they have written via submissions from anonymous pilots 'The typical Flybe First Officer salary is £28,973. First Officer salaries at Flybe can range from £28,648 - £36,428. This estimate is based upon 3 Flybe First Officer salary report(s) provided by employees or estimated based upon statistical methods. When factoring in bonuses and additional compensation, a First Officer at Flybe can expect to make an average total pay of £28,973 . See all First Officer salaries to learn how this stacks up in the market.'

Hope this helps

Bare in mind that a lot of pilots of any airline isn't allowed to publically display their earnings and bonuses
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 16:13
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Hi,

I did look at applying for this scheme too so I have done a little research with regards to pay. As you'll be flying the Q400 the pay scales can be found here: https://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Flybe_(Turboprop) and are up-to-date.

So starting at £29,000 and rising to £50,000 year 11 fo. Captains (probably likely to get after 6/7 years, I'm not too sure) start at £70,000 and rises to £82,000.

Edit: Seems to have been cleared out. Can use this: https://web.archive.org/web/20190929...be_(Turboprop)
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 22:54
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Thanks, appreciate the info!
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Old 19th Dec 2019, 21:15
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Basic is £29k, however there are decent working day off / nightstop / fda payments which take you nearer £35k+. Each year your basic goes up as well.

Side note...

Personally I would not go to L3 - whilst Flybe (and other airlines) like integrated schools as its all under one roof they charge around 60k more than they should, and it isn't the be all and end all. Despite being expensive in the past, the genuine support and good will that came your way isn't as strong unless you are coughing up excess cash since L3 arrived on the scene. Lengthy delays (what's the point in doing integrated when you will be delayed?), some questionable attitudes towards cadets and poor organisation all contribute to my opinion - I am not alone in this boat who have experienced their nonsense.

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Sorry to diverge from the topic, but if one had the option of Flybe at a local base verses Ryanair but having to up sticks, for a low hour newly qualified pilot what route would you lean more towards?
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Hi Bombastic,

for what it's worth I've worked for Ryanair and sat alongside many colleagues to my right. I've seen many very good candidates who came in via a cadetship with no airline experience but would always feel slightly more comfortable with one who had "served some time" on TP's. I've also had conversations with Dispatchers looking for their first job on the flight deck and have always given them one piece of advice - "If you can then fly a turboprop first". My main reason for that was that WHEN an airline the size of FR goes pop there will be around 3000 FO's with the same rating as you UNLESS you have experience on another type in which case you will have a slight edge. I'm not sure how this helps you but you can replace the term TP for any other type as in small jet. Just my own opinion of course.
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Originally Posted by Wing Commander Fowler
Hi Bombastic,

for what it's worth I've worked for Ryanair and sat alongside many colleagues to my right. I've seen many very good candidates who came in via a cadetship with no airline experience but would always feel slightly more comfortable with one who had "served some time" on TP's. I've also had conversations with Dispatchers looking for their first job on the flight deck and have always given them one piece of advice - "If you can then fly a turboprop first". My main reason for that was that WHEN an airline the size of FR goes pop there will be around 3000 FO's with the same rating as you UNLESS you have experience on another type in which case you will have a slight edge. I'm not sure how this helps you but you can replace the term TP for any other type as in small jet. Just my own opinion of course.
The day an FR goes bust is an end of aviation, or when robots take over..It will never happen.

They used to say back in the day when there was no jobs, if you start on the props you'll remain on the props, but this has since changed. Nowadays TurboProp experience gives you zero to no advantage in the recruitment world.. And TP guys would give their souls to fly a jet.



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Hi,

I am going for the FlyBe MPL program assessment with L3, and I am wondering how the assessment is?
I will appreciate if you can give me a brief description, or how to prepare

thank you
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Having a great deal of commercial experience prior to my aviation roles, the Ryan Air business model is the most stable on the world of aviation supply to the traveling public. Not admiring them, but you got to give credit when it's due, not that they require any credit.
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You’re never too big to fail, bigger they are harder they fall, pride is more fatal than death, never say never, so on and so forth..... Ryanair could fail someday you just never know in this industry or life for that matter.

The salary at flybe may not be as much, but they cover everything like uniforms, training, hotels, flights, medical, PHI, LOLI.... If you work at ryanair you need fo factor in the possibility of renting and food if you are going to commute, by the time you factor that in, the FR salary may not look too good anymore!

You take whatever job you can get to get started in the industry, once you’re in, look very carefully at where you want to go in life and what your priorities are. You need to look at the whole package any potential job offers you, not just the headline salary or what the equipment is.
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Sorry to diverge from the topic, but if one had the option of Flybe at a local base verses Ryanair but having to up sticks, for a low hour newly qualified pilot what route would you lean more towards?
Ryanair every single time. I wouldn't give good odds that Flybe will still be here this time next year. A Dash type rating is utterly useless, whereas the 737 is obviously a very useful rating to have on your licence.
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Originally Posted by flocci_non_faccio
Ryanair every single time. I wouldn't give good odds that Flybe will still be here this time next year. A Dash type rating is utterly useless, whereas the 737 is obviously a very useful rating to have on your licence.
I would have to disagree with you there. 737 rating at the moment is not a good rating, with Airbus rating being worth the gold and the prospects for 737 guys aren't good. Market is flooded with 737 pilots with all looking for a job and clearly any 737 jobs out there will be given to preferably rated pilots.

Dash rating is very strong rating too, the short haul business is booming, time to command is quick and the job is rewarding.
Also bear in mind that money is not that different in comparison to RYR. The new guys in RYR are on the lowest possible salary to fly a jet aircraft, and as longest they are accepting those conditions, the salary and T&C will decline even further. As its the case with Buzz.


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Nah,
Take the 737....may be a bit of a lull now but there are 10000s of them around the world. There’s not as many dash’s.

Whats more if you want to go 787 or such like you need Boeing experience , not TP
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https://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Ryanair

Take a good look at this and the argument is settled really. Money wise you are effectively paying 25K a year for the privilege of flying a Dash 8 over Ryanair. Same pay I’d still take the jet job as you’ll get hours faster, can bounce into TUI etc whenever you like.

Ryanair will treat you like garbage, yes totally agree. But it’s a fixed pattern roster and will have you in the LHS or a better company pretty sharpish. FlyBe may be a bit more fluffy and nicer to you as an employee, but you really are paying for it.

Turboprop vs jet hours though? No one really cares, just as likely to get DEP onto the 380/777 somewhere like BA or Emirates with either, they just care that it’s ZFT eligible.
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Basic is 29, some bases do a lot of night stops, this boosts pay packet nicely. Expect up to 36-38k in Year One if you night stop regularly.
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Ryanair every single time. I wouldn't give good odds that Flybe will still be here this time next year. A Dash type rating is utterly useless, whereas the 737 is obviously a very useful rating to have on your licence.
Flybe have been bought over by a consortium including Virgin Atlantic and will be rebranded as Virgin Connect this year- the days of Flybe being at financial risk should be long behind them now, particularly given they will be moving to a model connecting regional routes with the current Virgin long haul.
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Flybe have been bought over by a consortium including Virgin Atlantic and will be rebranded as Virgin Connect this year- the days of Flybe being at financial risk should be long behind them now, particularly given they will be moving to a model connecting regional routes with the current Virgin long haul.
Jeez, looks like I spoke too soon :/ not a good thing to see after just being accepted by them.... glad I haven't parted with any cash yet!
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Jeez, looks like I spoke too soon :/ not a good thing to see after just being accepted by them.... glad I haven't parted with any cash yet!
This is not good news at all. I do think you should seriously be considering whether or not to take this route, assuming they get past these talks, especially as this is an MPL.

I am going to withdraw my application with FTE for this very reason...
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This is not good news at all. I do think you should seriously be considering whether or not to take this route, assuming they get past these talks, especially as this is an MPL.

I am going to withdraw my application with FTE for this very reason...
You're absolutely right, especially when my parents are using their house as the security for the finances...
I've got a call with L3 tomorrow so will see what information/assurances (if any) they can provide me. As much as this is very disappointing for myself and obviously for you also to have so much doubt cast over what should be a fantastic opportunity, it must be sickening as a current employee for them. I can only hope they resolve the situation... and quickly.
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