EagleJet in this market? Really?
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EagleJet in this market? Really?
I just saw an EagleJet low houred pilot advert.... In this market?? Really??
P2F is bad and in this market especially a waste of money!!
Any idea what airline they send their victims err customers to?
P2F is bad and in this market especially a waste of money!!
Any idea what airline they send their victims err customers to?
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Maybe GetJet Airlines. They are a P2F gig.
Is there a shortage of pilots? Yes, but of experienced pilots. Many airline's requirements, especially the smaller ones, are determined by the insurance conditions (500 hours on type for example). This is why agencies like EagleJet and AviationCV will keep offering P2F solutions. Like it or not, it works for some. Someone I know had to wait 6 years for his first job, he took the plunge and went for a P2F scheme two years ago with a short and medium-haul operator and now is a 747 FO.
Is there a shortage of pilots? Yes, but of experienced pilots. Many airline's requirements, especially the smaller ones, are determined by the insurance conditions (500 hours on type for example). This is why agencies like EagleJet and AviationCV will keep offering P2F solutions. Like it or not, it works for some. Someone I know had to wait 6 years for his first job, he took the plunge and went for a P2F scheme two years ago with a short and medium-haul operator and now is a 747 FO.
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eaglejet - cheating
Hi folks. I have some friends currently with Tarom-eaglejet program, and they seems very uncomfortable and frustrated. They are not flying because they are not priority for the company. They neither have any right with Tarom or Eaglejet. Bad deal....
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Really ?
I have a friend there, he applied in EagleJet first and then went in Tarom, apparently he's quite happy about it.
I would like to know something more, because I evaluating this option.
I have a friend there, he applied in EagleJet first and then went in Tarom, apparently he's quite happy about it.
I would like to know something more, because I evaluating this option.
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Bufff. I have been speaking with him and he said, there have 2 programs. Airbus 320 and Boeing 737.
In both of them, are stuck, about 10 pilots in each program, and are spending around 10 - 12 months to complete 200 hrs.
Ask again your friend, about the real situation.
In both of them, are stuck, about 10 pilots in each program, and are spending around 10 - 12 months to complete 200 hrs.
Ask again your friend, about the real situation.
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I found a job 20 days after picking up my license. Fully paid type rating on good terms with a good salary, all expenses from the start of type rating is covered by the company.
Anyone willing to take crappy conditions in this market is either not aware of how good the market is or not able to pass any assessment for a good company, or too lazy to try to prepare for assessments. I'm understanding the risks involved and why people are taking these really bad offers from 3rd world airlines in eastern europe, but really until you try you will not realise just how good the market is. Is a shame to undersell yourself today, absolutely not necessary.
You don't need pay for type rating or be treated like slave by any company and then not even fly. Is not 2012 anymore.
Anyone willing to take crappy conditions in this market is either not aware of how good the market is or not able to pass any assessment for a good company, or too lazy to try to prepare for assessments. I'm understanding the risks involved and why people are taking these really bad offers from 3rd world airlines in eastern europe, but really until you try you will not realise just how good the market is. Is a shame to undersell yourself today, absolutely not necessary.
You don't need pay for type rating or be treated like slave by any company and then not even fly. Is not 2012 anymore.
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The program is not as shiny and beautiful as it seems, so get it right before you start. Greetings.
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I am not patron of Eagle of P2F theme but situation is not easy to find a job.
It is always depend on one’s environment and luck. For example, living in Asia makes someone such unfortunate life, if one is not successfully making through screen process of airline made cadet program to become pilot.
Even though they get full license themselves and look for airline job in other part of Asian countries, airlines require 500hrs on type… that make people struggle to find a job.
You said you got airline job smoothly after completing CPL and Multi IFR training.
I believe you put yourself a nice environment living in country which has good aviation source to chase your aviation career. I think you are one of luckiest guys who didn’t face any difficulty flying a big jet.
Yes, it is 2019 but misery is still continued those people without hours on type.
It is always depend on one’s environment and luck. For example, living in Asia makes someone such unfortunate life, if one is not successfully making through screen process of airline made cadet program to become pilot.
Even though they get full license themselves and look for airline job in other part of Asian countries, airlines require 500hrs on type… that make people struggle to find a job.
You said you got airline job smoothly after completing CPL and Multi IFR training.
I believe you put yourself a nice environment living in country which has good aviation source to chase your aviation career. I think you are one of luckiest guys who didn’t face any difficulty flying a big jet.
Yes, it is 2019 but misery is still continued those people without hours on type.
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I agree with the last post, it's not easy to find a job if you don't have a TR and hours.
Before saying what I'm going to tell, I would like to underline that I undergone several assessment, with differents airlines.
And it turned out that only experienced people (or lucky people) got their first job, without pulling out more money.
Just for making an example, on my last interview only 1 guy got the job out of 6, and, on my second to last only 1 over 7. And in both cases those guys had a previous job in aviation (one with 8000h and 3/4 TRs), nothing to do with fresh pilots coming from the MCC.
So even if experience is not required on the job advertisement, it's still preferable, and if you are a fresh student, you'll be on the bottom of the list.
Maybe one or two years ago the scenario was better than now.
So the question is: is it better to remain on the ground having spent 100k (more or less), or spending 40k more and having more chances, no matter how ethic or moral this choice is ?
Because I'm honest and not hypocrite, I would chose the second one.
And for who was telling, by the way, that P2F is unethical, please answer these questions:
- How ethical is an MPL where they ask you 150k (more or less), when an integrated course is just half of it ? (maybe because you are buying a job, or paying the TR and line training ?)
- How ethical are airlines that ask you to pay the TR (30k or more), without giving you any contract on hand before having finished the course itself ?
- How ethical are guys that had a job, by luck of the period, and are blaming other unlucky guys for incompetence, or attitude lack, when actually the reason is only that they were looking for a job in the wrong period ?
It's easy in this world to take shots at people with the same or better preparation, but less luck !
Before saying what I'm going to tell, I would like to underline that I undergone several assessment, with differents airlines.
And it turned out that only experienced people (or lucky people) got their first job, without pulling out more money.
Just for making an example, on my last interview only 1 guy got the job out of 6, and, on my second to last only 1 over 7. And in both cases those guys had a previous job in aviation (one with 8000h and 3/4 TRs), nothing to do with fresh pilots coming from the MCC.
So even if experience is not required on the job advertisement, it's still preferable, and if you are a fresh student, you'll be on the bottom of the list.
Maybe one or two years ago the scenario was better than now.
So the question is: is it better to remain on the ground having spent 100k (more or less), or spending 40k more and having more chances, no matter how ethic or moral this choice is ?
Because I'm honest and not hypocrite, I would chose the second one.
And for who was telling, by the way, that P2F is unethical, please answer these questions:
- How ethical is an MPL where they ask you 150k (more or less), when an integrated course is just half of it ? (maybe because you are buying a job, or paying the TR and line training ?)
- How ethical are airlines that ask you to pay the TR (30k or more), without giving you any contract on hand before having finished the course itself ?
- How ethical are guys that had a job, by luck of the period, and are blaming other unlucky guys for incompetence, or attitude lack, when actually the reason is only that they were looking for a job in the wrong period ?
It's easy in this world to take shots at people with the same or better preparation, but less luck !
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Agree
I agree MPL is not ethical and fair system because those students under MPL are basically cadets of airlines undertaken by airlines associated designated schools or aviation colleges.
I live in Japan now and it is hash reality for those who completed general aviation training facilities (ordinary flight schools) will not be haired. Instead those who graduated airlines associated schools or colleges only be hired by connection to airlines.
I heard these flight schools and colleges pay hefty amount of money to airlines once students hired. It is a common unfair practice taken place in aviation industry in Japan. I believe above all circumstances are not ethical than P2F.
I think those people who never experience any difficulty getting into airlines will not understand how other feel…
These attitude is very common among pilots who went through attractive cadets pilot program and etc.
I live in Japan now and it is hash reality for those who completed general aviation training facilities (ordinary flight schools) will not be haired. Instead those who graduated airlines associated schools or colleges only be hired by connection to airlines.
I heard these flight schools and colleges pay hefty amount of money to airlines once students hired. It is a common unfair practice taken place in aviation industry in Japan. I believe above all circumstances are not ethical than P2F.
I think those people who never experience any difficulty getting into airlines will not understand how other feel…
These attitude is very common among pilots who went through attractive cadets pilot program and etc.
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Exactly that's the realtity.
Of course I'm not including everyone in my comment, as I knew a lot of clever and genuine guys, having exhibited good performance.
But some of them feel like top guns, considering other guys incompetent for not having landed the job, only because they applied perhaps in the wrong period.
Exactly that's the realtity.
Of course I'm not including everyone in my comment, as I knew a lot of clever and genuine guys, having exhibited good performance.
But some of them feel like top guns, considering other guys incompetent for not having landed the job, only because they applied perhaps in the wrong period.
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Last update about Tarom -eaglejet program. It can be called “the big strike”. Caution, caution. Mega fool. This program is basically design to get fresh money for the company, and fresh money for Eaglejet. The perfect deal for them.
In the beginning all will be fine and nice. You will finish soon, good quality instruction, high standard company........ buuuuuuuuuuuu..... all is false.
Eventually you will feel comfortable until see the ground instruction classroom. In this point you’ll start having doubts. Only the beginning... after few days you’ll go to request some info....and... you’ll realize that you are not well enclosed. Then again you will feel like if you are a piece of **** because every question asked will be answered with a bad manner.
Anyway. Then you’ll do your TR in nice place like Istanbul or Amsterdam. Afterwards you will wait to do ur conversion course another while.. like 3-4 weeks. High quality courses sure...At the end, your base flight, your wished 6 take off and landings...another 2,3 or maybe 4 weeks. Is supposed you are fully ready and starts the worse phase.
Flying? You'll be lucky if you fly 30/40 hours per month.
If you are brave, good luck, but take in account the huge quantity of money and time you'll spend.
In the beginning all will be fine and nice. You will finish soon, good quality instruction, high standard company........ buuuuuuuuuuuu..... all is false.
Eventually you will feel comfortable until see the ground instruction classroom. In this point you’ll start having doubts. Only the beginning... after few days you’ll go to request some info....and... you’ll realize that you are not well enclosed. Then again you will feel like if you are a piece of **** because every question asked will be answered with a bad manner.
Anyway. Then you’ll do your TR in nice place like Istanbul or Amsterdam. Afterwards you will wait to do ur conversion course another while.. like 3-4 weeks. High quality courses sure...At the end, your base flight, your wished 6 take off and landings...another 2,3 or maybe 4 weeks. Is supposed you are fully ready and starts the worse phase.
Flying? You'll be lucky if you fly 30/40 hours per month.
If you are brave, good luck, but take in account the huge quantity of money and time you'll spend.
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Good! I hope they lose all their money too! That's what should happen to all P2F pilots.
