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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 11:10
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Has anyone done the standalone JOC at SKY4U? If so could you let me know whether the 10hrs of simulator time they advertise as all as Pilot Flying or whether it is split between Pilot Flying and Pilot Not Flying? If all 10hrs is as PF then is there any additional time spent as PNF while your sim partner is PF?
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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 12:08
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Originally Posted by BoeingLudo737 View Post
Had enough of all your nonsense including marotti84 who doesn't seem to have a clue about anything and just assumes things
Looking into this thread from time to time and my impression is that you should calm down a little. You're taking it too personal, Mr. SKY4U.. Oh sorry I mean BoeingLudo.


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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 16:14
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Originally Posted by this is my username View Post
Has anyone done the standalone JOC at SKY4U? If so could you let me know whether the 10hrs of simulator time they advertise as all as Pilot Flying or whether it is split between Pilot Flying and Pilot Not Flying? If all 10hrs is as PF then is there any additional time spent as PNF while your sim partner is PF?
It was the case for me and I had 10hrs in total, half PF, half PNF
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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 18:15
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Originally Posted by marotti84 View Post
I don't know if Ryanair knows the past reputation of SKY4u, I belive they don't.

I want to point out something else.
Ryanair wanted a training partner that could train pilots faster and to a good standard in order to pass a type rating course with no problem. They need pilots how are a secure investment, as right now the company pays 25k euro and the cadet only 5k with no salary reduction! SKY4u is not the best out there, but had a good business model and managed to start this collaboration with them. The reality is that when the first candidates from that school reached the assessment process, Ryanair realized that they were not better trained than others APS ATO students. That flight school has not convinced the airline that their training is excellent, in fact I will not be surprised if they will stop this collaboration in the near future. Nothing wrong with the APS MCC program, they just choose the wrong partner and its not easy to change that.

Also, Ryanair had a collaboration in the past with Simtech, as years ago the official assessment was carried out in their simulator and location. Something happened along the way and now they are not in good terms. In fact, the TD of the airline during some recent open days across several ATOs, strongly suggested to avoid the APS at Simtech. This has been confirmed by several students that I have talked to. Why? We don't know, maybe business related issues.

Regarding Virtual Aviation, I am been told that Ryanair had talks with them to become a training partner but the ATO refused. VA wants to be accessible to everyone, and if they become a Ryanair partner, they had to change some polices and review some score methods and will go to the disadvantage to some students. VA prefers to be opened to everyone and offers training in the B737 as well as the A320 so you can try as many airline assessments as you want afterwards.

Sorry for the off topic, but it's important to understand this things before choosing.
Hello marotti.
Many people here don't understand what Sky4u is standing for. And their reputation isn't good. Regarding quality of the students I think we're on the same side. I think the quality depends more on the students character, not the type of training. And you have always good and bad students, everwhere. But I really hate this crazy advertisements from sky. Ryanair should now search deeper and get a closer look with whom they are partnering. Happy to have no connections to them.
I think Ryanair will stop the collaboration when they have enough partners in UK and Ireland.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 05:04
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Originally Posted by 737fan View Post
Hello marotti.
Many people here don't understand what Sky4u is standing for. And their reputation isn't good. Regarding quality of the students I think we're on the same side. I think the quality depends more on the students character, not the type of training. And you have always good and bad students, everwhere. But I really hate this crazy advertisements from sky. Ryanair should now search deeper and get a closer look with whom they are partnering. Happy to have no connections to them.
I think Ryanair will stop the collaboration when they have enough partners in UK and Ireland.
With Sky's criminal background someone should ask RYR directly if they knew about Sky. Mail, FB, Twitter, etc. I presume they will quit if they are confronted with it. Too less quality for too much stress.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 13:26
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Originally Posted by marotti84 View Post
I don't know if Ryanair knows the past reputation of SKY4u, I belive they don't.

I want to point out something else.
Ryanair wanted a training partner that could train pilots faster and to a good standard in order to pass a type rating course with no problem. They need pilots how are a secure investment, as right now the company pays 25k euro and the cadet only 5k with no salary reduction! SKY4u is not the best out there, but had a good business model and managed to start this collaboration with them. The reality is that when the first candidates from that school reached the assessment process, Ryanair realized that they were not better trained than others APS ATO students. That flight school has not convinced the airline that their training is excellent, in fact I will not be surprised if they will stop this collaboration in the near future. Nothing wrong with the APS MCC program, they just choose the wrong partner and its not easy to change that.

Also, Ryanair had a collaboration in the past with Simtech, as years ago the official assessment was carried out in their simulator and location. Something happened along the way and now they are not in good terms. In fact, the TD of the airline during some recent open days across several ATOs, strongly suggested to avoid the APS at Simtech. This has been confirmed by several students that I have talked to. Why? We don't know, maybe business related issues.

Regarding Virtual Aviation, I am been told that Ryanair had talks with them to become a training partner but the ATO refused. VA wants to be accessible to everyone, and if they become a Ryanair partner, they had to change some polices and review some score methods and will go to the disadvantage to some students. VA prefers to be opened to everyone and offers training in the B737 as well as the A320 so you can try as many airline assessments as you want afterwards.

Sorry for the off topic, but it's important to understand this things before choosing.
Howdy marotti.
Good points. I appreciate your posts. VAs independence just scored in my personal ranking.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 15:31
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For some independence is good but for others its a big minus. Because when I shall do APS the reason nr. 1 is to learn as much as possible....... BUT reason nr. 2 is to get quickest possible call for an assessment from the airlines. A guaranteed assessment is a big plus from my point of view. So even if I like what VA put on their website about their APS MCC I would still prefer a provider that give a guaranteed assessment with an airline after being successful in their program.

As for Ryanair then there is another provider of APS MCC: AFTA but they have not put any info about the course on their website yet.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 18:06
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Originally Posted by KT1988 View Post
For some independence is good but for others its a big minus. Because when I shall do APS the reason nr. 1 is to learn as much as possible....... BUT reason nr. 2 is to get quickest possible call for an assessment from the airlines. A guaranteed assessment is a big plus from my point of view. So even if I like what VA put on their website about their APS MCC I would still prefer a provider that give a guaranteed assessment with an airline after being successful in their program.

As for Ryanair then there is another provider of APS MCC: AFTA but they have not put any info about the course on their website yet.
You may think that “a guaranteed assessment “ is critical; it does not mean automatic guaranteed acceptance will necessarily follow. If they don’t like the cut of your jib......
Get your head in the books, achieve all first time passes, with a minimum of 90% in any paper is the first goal.
Then first time passes in the light ac flying tests, followed by MCC/JOC or APS. The multi-crew element is the acid test as to your suitability irrespective where this is conducted.
Do well and an assessment will end in success.
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Old 8th Jun 2019, 07:32
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Originally Posted by GREATFEMPILOT View Post
Direct comparison Simtech - Sky4u
A) reputation: Simtech was founded in 2004, Sky4u much later. Business is running, expanding constantly since then.
B) quality: simulators and instructors of simtech well known for top quality. Most Simtech students found an airline job and flying all around the world.
C) costs: training at Simtech is worth every penny even if little more expensive than Sky4u. The biggest extra is the wide range of airline contacts, that you can write to or call for further information on screemings. Not to forget the better and newer simulators.
The winner is clear: Simtech
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Addition to a)
While everybody is talking about the advantages of APS over ordinary MCC it's important to know that the company you choose will leave a stamp in your CV. So choose wisely. I decided for Simtech and I would always do it again and recommend them. VA and AFTA have a brilliant reputation as well but Sky4u is surely not part of this Group. Too much negatives that I read and heard about them.
And last but not least:
Currently, APS is the best training you can get

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Old 8th Jun 2019, 08:01
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Originally Posted by aronsha View Post
I found an offer for MCC/JOC for less then 5200€ on full flight sim with Lufthansa!
well, it’s not “with Lufthansa”, it is on Lufthansa simulators, and not valid anymore since they moved the 737 Classic sim. And also please check your details, the APS has 40 hours of sim time, the offered MCC only 20, and you only get a JOC certificate without having flown a single JOC item and that’s a scam in my eyes...
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Old 9th Jun 2019, 01:47
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Originally Posted by GanjiGirl View Post
Everybody, please have a look at the other threads, too. Don't get trapped by Kasana and his Sky4u fraudster friends. You can google it. We have found enough. Kasana and Co might be responsible for Lion Air crash. For sure they have stolen money from many young pilots dreaming of their first job.
Bobbie Barker is very precise and gives profound insight with his posts. One must consider him an insider. And he confirmed in my P2F-thread that Sky4u had severe issues in the past. After reading all Infos in this forum I assume they still have big problems and will continue to have big problems. Just my humble opinion
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Old 16th Jun 2019, 13:44
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Originally Posted by aronsha View Post
Bobbie Barker is very precise and gives profound insight with his posts. One must consider him an insider. And he confirmed in my P2F-thread that Sky4u had severe issues in the past. After reading all Infos in this forum I assume they still have big problems and will continue to have big problems. Just my humble opinion
Seems that we have very interesting stuff going on at sky.
It takes more than firing one person in order to get things done at a company. Usally it's the CEO that makes the difference. I'll do some research
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Old 16th Jun 2019, 23:58
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Originally Posted by bobby.barker View Post


well, it’s not “with Lufthansa”, it is on Lufthansa simulators, and not valid anymore since they moved the 737 Classic sim. And also please check your details, the APS has 40 hours of sim time, the offered MCC only 20, and you only get a JOC certificate without having flown a single JOC item and that’s a scam in my eyes...
Lufthansa partner offers it on a 737NG FFS now. 737 CL in FFM now. And the APS is a scam, reducing Airline costs and making the cadets pay for a training that is usually covered by employer. Still makes no sense, no matter how loud some schools advertise it.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 13:53
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Originally Posted by ollie135 View Post
As somebody who is about to put down a deposit for an MCC/JOC at Sky4u instead if SimTech can you please justify your claim that Sky4u are doing a poor job and are on the edge of termination by Ryanair?

Thanks
1. Reviewing the last weeks and months you should have noticed that other flight schools has been selected as official RYR partners for the APS MCC
2. If Sky4u is doing a fantastic job I must ask then why did RYR go for AFTA and VA?

Demand for pilots is obvious and capacities should be no problem. So why this change in RYR's attitude?
IMHO a termination of their cooperation might be one step away. But of course everybody had put it aside like rumours... We'll see what comes next
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 08:14
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Bartolini new partner

Bartolini Air was selected as new RYR partner.
I guess it's a matter of time that Sky4u closes.
Now that they lost exclusivity and new competitors arised, what will come next?
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 22:16
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Bartolini has APS courses ongoing. From my point of view Sky is preparing for the worst case. Curious about Kasana's stake in it and what he gets. Maybe it's a good time to sue. He deserves it.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 10:59
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Originally Posted by GanjiGirl View Post
Bartolini has APS courses ongoing. From my point of view Sky is preparing for the worst case. Curious about Kasana's stake in it and what he gets. Maybe it's a good time to sue. He deserves it.
Gianjigirl, mind stopping with bashing sky4u? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about because Bartolini has no APS courses on going so complete bullsh$t. From experiences I have heard first hand sky4u seems a professional place do to do your MCC with plenty of very very experienced instructors unlike other places mentioned in this topic

Originally Posted by travis.karl View Post
Bartolini Air was selected as new RYR partner.
I guess it's a matter of time that Sky4u closes.
Now that they lost exclusivity and new competitors arised, what will come next?
Ehhh what? Bartolini does their MCC on a A320 sim, mate get your facts right. Bartolini is no competition to sky4u because Sky4u only do MCC, JOC's and APS and stuff unike Bartolini who do PPL, CPL's and that kind of stuff. They may do an MCC course but that MCC course gets nowhere close to Sky4u's or cockpit4u's.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 11:27
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It's really tiring and completely baseless. I went to sky4u for only MCC. Had an incredible time and learned a LOT. The cost/benefit is out of this world. Lufthansa training center is really inspiring and at my Ryanair assessment they really liked the fact I went there. I have a friend there at this exact minute that went from my recommendation and is enjoying it immensely and another lined up for right after his skills test in Oct.

Not enough could be said about the instructors, getting tips from former or current TRI or TRE with years and years airline experience does wonders for the next step in your career.

I will continue to debunk them everytime they post because I almost didn't go thanks to their negative spamming. I'm sure I wouldn't have done as well as I did at the assessment if it wasn't for sky4u.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 19:48
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Bartolini's agreement with Ryanair is not about the APS course, but for the Ryanair Mentored Program from 0-to-hero. I am not even certain Bartolini are certified for MCC-APS course at the moment.
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 06:49
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Before anybody takes a stand for sky...

1. Sky was the first flight school with a cooperation agreement with RYR. So it was basically exclusive.
2. Even after 737 max crashes RYR continued to establish new partnerships with flight schools.

And now a question to all you paid pumpers:
Why would RYR do this if Sky would have done a great job and delivering good APS finishers?
Make up your mind you fools!
Rumours say that sky even recently lost their responsible person for their APS MCC courses. If this is true you must really reconsider selecting your flight school.
Well for me all of this points to a very clear direction.
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