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Old 31st May 2018, 19:05
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Blue Air Guaranteed job program

Hello’

I am wondering if there’s anybody here know’s anything about a guaranteed job program from ATPL Center in US with blue air airline in romania. It sounds to good so if anyone knows if this is real or not please inform us. ATPL center is the official recruiter for Blue Air and the announced this program as follow:

Blue Air and ATPLCentwr join Wayman Aviation Academy in offering a world classEASA Job Guaranteed solution for pilots interested in flying thorugh Europe. The program is 100% job guaranteed, students start flying in Europe within 14 to 18 months.

Earn your Private Pilot (PPL), Instrument Rating (IR), and time building to 200 hours with Wayman in South Florida. After PPL cadets begin online EASA theory studies to master the 14 subject tests. Commercial Single and Multi-engine add-ons are earned in Romania. Then students recieved line and type ratings to begin flying Blue Air's fleet of 737 aircraft throughout Europe.



The program provides USA and European pilot licenses. (FAA PPL and IR & EASA ATPL Frozen).
  • Open to Citizens from any country.
  • Work Permit for Europe is provided.
  • Upon completion of the program, you will be enrolled by Blue Air- Romania with the net salary of $3,000/mo
  • Start earning net salary of $1,000/mo during the Line Training even before enrollment.
  • Cadets will be enrolled for 1 year minimum. The contract may be extended each year.
  • Cadets will be stationed at one of the Blue Air hubs scattered throughout the European Union.
  • Upon fulfilling 5-year of service with Blue Air in the same country, you will be eligible for European citizenship.
  • US citizens are tax free of their salaries in Europe due to US Tax regulations (ask for details).
  • 80hrs flight per month is guaranteed by Blue Air. Extra payment for over-hours.
  • Availability to make 1500hrs in 1-2 years, together with training hours results in ICAO ATPL.
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 14:41
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Looks like an interesting offer.But I think you will have to pay for the line training and type rating.If not exactly a good choice as they provide a work permit as well.
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 15:09
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Originally Posted by Tharaka737 View Post
Looks like an interesting offer.But I think you will have to pay for the line training and type rating.If not exactly a good choice as they provide a work permit as well.

If the program as they wrote, it will be very good even if i will pay for the type rating. My question is if anyone applied or know the truth about the story as i haven't seen any airline in Europe gives a work permit for non-EU citizens!
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Old 4th Jun 2018, 13:55
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Hello Guys,

I just had a proposition from Blue Air to take their selection process. If I pass It, they propose me the following program :
  • Pay 26.000 € for type rating on B737CL + Base training + 200 hrs.
  • After that, I take a line check and get a proposition to work for blueair.
About the conditions, they says that during the 200hrs after base training, I will receive a minimum wage, do someone knows how many it is ? Have you got an idea about the rosters ?

Do anybody has follow this program and has any feedback ?
More globally, what do you think about BlueAir ?

Thank you for sharing !
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 18:55
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Stay away from this! It doesn't sound like a great deal and after the 200h you might have no job!
You are certainly right, it looks like to be a pay to fly program. Anyway, I'll try the selection process, at least it will give me some experience.
Thanks for reply :-)
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 20:37
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Smells to high heaven: a US Company where you could get a work permit and a Romanian airline where you couldn't get a work permit unless EU Passport holder.

Approved the original post expecting some truth to be given to a naive hopeful.

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Old 5th Jun 2018, 20:53
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Originally Posted by PPRuNe Towers View Post
Smells to high heaven: a US Company where you could get a work permit and a Romanian airline where you couldn't get a work permit unless EU Passport holder.

Approved the original post expecting some truth to be given to a naive hopeful.

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Blue Air is a Romanian Airline, ATPL center is just a recruiter for them, the program is that you well get the PPl and IR and flight hours in US which will need only student visa. Then you will work in Romania which will need a work permit.Meanwhile, if you opened blue air website you will find then hiring first officers with EU citizenship. It doesn’t seem to be logically true, if you could hire a fresh pilots with no experience to work there. Then, why not hiring exapt experienced pilots as well. Honestly, i have never seen any airline in EU hire a NON-EU citizens, for that reason i am asking if this true or not.
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 07:00
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Originally Posted by thepilott View Post
It sounds to good so if anyone knows if this is real or not please inform us.
I don't see what sounds good about it. It's an obvious scam in the pay-to-fly genre, which takes many different forms.

The fact that they frame EU citizenship as part of the programme features is completely misplaced and highly questionable. I don't see any honest business putting this argument forward, they're clearly aiming to foul people who are uninformed and can be taken advantage of.

Minimum salary in Romania is of 400 Euro. While this may cover your living costs in this country you will never be able to pay your way out of this trap unless you have a lot of savings already.
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Old 21st Jun 2018, 19:17
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Originally Posted by Colin_Pilot View Post
You are certainly right, it looks like to be a pay to fly program. Anyway, I'll try the selection process, at least it will give me some experience.
Thanks for reply :-)
Did you went there?
what is your feedback about the program?
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Old 22nd Jun 2018, 10:33
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Did you went there?
what is your feedback about the program?
Hi !
Unfortunately no. I did a online assessment with very common psychometric tests. Since that day (few weeks), I have no feedback : I don't know if I passed it or not.
I'll let you know as soon as I have some news.

BR
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Old 22nd Jun 2018, 13:12
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Best to stay away from this traps. Those kind of traps make aviation less attractive to people willing to become a pilot
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 02:50
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Originally Posted by thepilott View Post


Blue Air is a Romanian Airline, ATPL center is just a recruiter for them, the program is that you well get the PPl and IR and flight hours in US which will need only student visa. Then you will work in Romania which will need a work permit.Meanwhile, if you opened blue air website you will find then hiring first officers with EU citizenship. It doesn’t seem to be logically true, if you could hire a fresh pilots with no experience to work there. Then, why not hiring exapt experienced pilots as well. Honestly, i have never seen any airline in EU hire a NON-EU citizens, for that reason i am asking if this true or not.

Hi There, Check out their careers page. They mention 2 schools that are recruiting for them. I would suggest using those schools. If the one you came across with is the same as the ones they post partnership with, then it is legit. If they ONLY want you to pay the type rating, then it is a fair offer for Europe. Unfortunately most airlines in the EU want the applicant to pay the type rating which they deduct from the salary. Pilot minimum wage must be different than a normal minimum wage. And once you get paid 3,000 USD, it is again normal deal for the EU and specially Romania. Life is quite cheap there. Plus I think it is a nice place to live...
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 05:32
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Originally Posted by Krajchek View Post
Hi There, Check out their careers page. They mention 2 schools that are recruiting for them. I would suggest using those schools. If the one you came across with is the same as the ones they post partnership with, then it is legit. If they ONLY want you to pay the type rating, then it is a fair offer for Europe. Unfortunately most airlines in the EU want the applicant to pay the type rating which they deduct from the salary. Pilot minimum wage must be different than a normal minimum wage. And once you get paid 3,000 USD, it is again normal deal for the EU and specially Romania. Life is quite cheap there. Plus I think it is a nice place to live...
That what i thought. My only question is that i have never seen any airline in EU take non-eu citzens, they told me that Rominia is one of the easiest countries to issue a work permit if you have a job contract, is that true?
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 15:54
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Hi there,

I work for BlueAir and there is no such program as far as I know. It would be a stupid thing to do since BlueAir has its own ATO and our hands are full with the requests that we are receiving from our "clients".

Regarding our offer for the training yes we do quite a lot of type-rating and normally if you come and do the rating with us, after 200hours almost everybody receives a job as a FO. Depending on the needs you can end up on any of our operating bases except Bucuresti, which is always full. There is a waiting list to come to Bucuresti so this is why is very difficult to say which base you will get.

Regarding flight schedule, during summer you can fly anywhere between 80 to 100 hours a month while in the winter is between 60-80.
As a first step in your career is maybe one of your best choices.

Regards.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 19:44
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Hi There,
Can someone help? I have just done an online assessment with Blue air for a First Officer position and have ben invited for second assessment at Bucharest. can somebody tell me what to expect in the SIM? what kind of questions should I expect?
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Old 29th Jul 2018, 13:39
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Blue air assessment

I did the assessment few months ago ... the assessment is composed by 4 steps all in one day ( not really good , because you will have to run a lot ) but at least is free .
the administration does not exist ... they are really really bad organized , they try to change your assessment after the confirmation , even after you bought everything for the day
on that day you will have basic atpl questions ( not so easy)
then the hr will start to speak about HER life and career for 40 min ( that nobody cares )
so you will start to gather delays over delays
then you do group exercises ...
the funniest/ridiculous part of this company/assessment is the simulator part , you will enter the sim after 3 min briefing without knowing the parameters of the plane
since they ain't provided you any briefing file , 3 guys behind you will speak Romanian all the time , and you will use a lot of autopilot ( crazy but true )
basic exercise on sim and a lot of a/p , the guys are quite unclear when they speak and you can easily misunderstand something .
finished this you have the interview ... typical / basic questions
after 2 weeks they will finally reply you ... even if they said that the feedback would have been faster .
quite bad company
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Old 29th Jul 2018, 21:43
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A little while back a friend went to the assessment of Blue Air, but he has over 2000 hours on the B737, so I dont know if it is the same.
But he did a take off raw data followed by a circuit.
Take off with FD and then N-1 after take off
Circle back or reposition to intercept ILS N-1 followed by go around, then after go around n-1 circuit. and landing

it all was on a classic, hope it helps
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 10:00
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Serious doubts over the legality of this on the immigration aspect, but then it's Romania and following laws isn't a strong trait over there (with all due respect, its the reality). With thousands of CPL holders in Europe, I doubt that under normal circumstances a European work permit would be issued. If I'm correct, EU countries will issue those when the local market is dry and workforce isn't available. Pilot Unions wouldn't be happy with an Airline giving jobs at low pay rates to foreign pilots who didn't even had the right to live and work within the EU. Brussels would be inundated with complains and Blue Air could be in serious trouble.My two cents, something doesn't sound legit about this, just saying.....
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Old 1st Aug 2018, 08:12
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Hi,

What is the salary for F/O, during Line training and, how it changes after that? If I know, 200 hours of line training.

Thanks,
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 08:47
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I believe salary is around €2000 net after tax, but depends on base.
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