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I recall rumours, prior to CAE buying OAA, that students (the majority at that time were what would now be described as 'Whitetail') were encouraged to write favourable posts to counter some negativity expressed by others about the management of their training and other perceived problems. It was suggested that those who wrote favourably were rewarded with fast-track access to selection by a large UK operator who had previously had a long relationship with the school. Following course completion, a handful of these students were selected by that airline, in itself exceptionally unusual at that time. I understand though that this was nothing more than speculation.
The apparent absence of blogs from students of other ATO's (although they do exist, most are from former students either seeking their first job or a channel for their narcissism) is more likely due to a different style of marketing and probably an absence of encouragement (or perhaps a contractual constraint?) from the management; not all organisations enjoy the outward looking freedom of expression that apparently L3 CTS embraces - look at OAA marketing from ten years ago and compare it with that of L3 CTS today; there are remarkable similarities. One ATO is particularly visible in social media, consumer publications as well as recently, terrestrial television (coincidentally, a class of Oxford BA cadets some years ago were also followed through training on a BBC programme called 'Airshow' with a reference to the school in each episode they were shown - great publicity you might think...). It's more than likely due to a proactive and modern marketing policy driven by someone in the organisation that understands the influence of social media on the demographic of their potential clientele.
What's your point? Training accidents are more common than schools would like you to believe, but they do happen and for many different reasons. The airfield in question suffered more than it's fair share of student mishaps at one point I understand, and largely due to mishandling rather than mechanical or weather. Are you suggesting that is why they are apparently moving their operation to Sanford (an interesting place to locate a large fair weather flying operation by the way, and not least because of the Class C airspace and relative congestion in the Orlando area), or is it more likely that the company owns assets there and it makes more sense from a real estate perspective? If so, it could be short-sighted for reasons described earlier. You might as well start up an elementary flight school in New Zealand but with the obvious advantage of being closer to your home base.
I recall rumours, prior to CAE buying OAA, that students (the majority at that time were what would now be described as 'Whitetail') were encouraged to write favourable posts to counter some negativity expressed by others about the management of their training and other perceived problems. It was suggested that those who wrote favourably were rewarded with fast-track access to selection by a large UK operator who had previously had a long relationship with the school. Following course completion, a handful of these students were selected by that airline, in itself exceptionally unusual at that time. I understand though that this was nothing more than speculation.
The apparent absence of blogs from students of other ATO's (although they do exist, most are from former students either seeking their first job or a channel for their narcissism) is more likely due to a different style of marketing and probably an absence of encouragement (or perhaps a contractual constraint?) from the management; not all organisations enjoy the outward looking freedom of expression that apparently L3 CTS embraces - look at OAA marketing from ten years ago and compare it with that of L3 CTS today; there are remarkable similarities. One ATO is particularly visible in social media, consumer publications as well as recently, terrestrial television (coincidentally, a class of Oxford BA cadets some years ago were also followed through training on a BBC programme called 'Airshow' with a reference to the school in each episode they were shown - great publicity you might think...). It's more than likely due to a proactive and modern marketing policy driven by someone in the organisation that understands the influence of social media on the demographic of their potential clientele.
'It would simply be speculation' - Small plane crash lands in Goodyear field - 3TV | CBS 5 Are you sure it was just weather related now with a touch of wake turbulence? Or maybe mechanical... if an aircraft manages to fall out of the sky.. who knows, its all speculation after all.
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Just a matter of opinion then as my own path to where I am now involved much more than asking parents for money and coughing up £100k. Make all the assumptions you wish, there's no pretentiousness here. I'm sure you were also just as happy to be going through it as much as I am now. Anyway; this thread isn't about me is it!
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Ok, nor all of our parents give us 130k either! (Type rating)
I prefer, the 'The story so far' like we don't know what awaits, a cliff hangar maybe. Well no, you're doing the same course as the 160 odd other CPs before you so we all know what lies ahead
Then you get to the flightdeck and 95% of us simply want a Starbucks, and decent conversation the last thing we want to hear about is 'The Journey' fs.
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Look; I know a troll when I see one.
Perhaps consider the target audience of the content I produce Sullysark; it's quite clearly not for you is it. It's for the people wanting to be pilots themselves whom I once was. Granted, I'm not there yet; but i'm closer than a year or two ago. It's for the people wanting to know more about the industry and the people who want the true cost of flight training to which the flight schools seldom mention. Must I go on?
My longer term career aspirations go beyond a Starbucks and a natter about the days headline just as my blog goes far beyond the typical content produced previously. Heck, if you're after a Starbucks; I'll buy you one and show you how far wrong your preconceptions are. I hate PPRune sometimes.
I kindly ask you to take your rhetoric elsewhere and stop clogging this post.
Ta.
Perhaps consider the target audience of the content I produce Sullysark; it's quite clearly not for you is it. It's for the people wanting to be pilots themselves whom I once was. Granted, I'm not there yet; but i'm closer than a year or two ago. It's for the people wanting to know more about the industry and the people who want the true cost of flight training to which the flight schools seldom mention. Must I go on?
My longer term career aspirations go beyond a Starbucks and a natter about the days headline just as my blog goes far beyond the typical content produced previously. Heck, if you're after a Starbucks; I'll buy you one and show you how far wrong your preconceptions are. I hate PPRune sometimes.
I kindly ask you to take your rhetoric elsewhere and stop clogging this post.
Ta.
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I thought the wholepoint of flexicrew was that it was advantageous tax wise to both the company and the individual.
What about the famously 'repayable' training bond?
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Awk Botley, behave. Don't get touchy.
Fte Jerez is somewhere in the region of £20,000 more expensive with a faster course. OAA my old spot, again is different. So you can only give an insight into L3 and as I have pointed out. You've lied about or touched over, or simply ignored. Why? The answer is obvious you're aiming to be the best Mr EasyJet at CTC. It's obvious. Maybe even get on the TV!
Every post you comment on is in some form related to L3 or EasyJet. Yet, you do it to avoid any doubt or raise doubts about CTC. Isn't it true, CTC is full in NZ they had to source their accomaation. And that all relates down to the failure in the USA with a fleet grounded for months. Yet you told us that was the long term plan...
You missed the point sir. My point is in, hearing about the journey is as fun as drinking bleach.
I'm not trolling you. Simply reminding you, there's another 500 blogs before yours. All of which outline what you do. You even have your blog name on your Pprune log in like some student council rep.
Fte Jerez is somewhere in the region of £20,000 more expensive with a faster course. OAA my old spot, again is different. So you can only give an insight into L3 and as I have pointed out. You've lied about or touched over, or simply ignored. Why? The answer is obvious you're aiming to be the best Mr EasyJet at CTC. It's obvious. Maybe even get on the TV!
Every post you comment on is in some form related to L3 or EasyJet. Yet, you do it to avoid any doubt or raise doubts about CTC. Isn't it true, CTC is full in NZ they had to source their accomaation. And that all relates down to the failure in the USA with a fleet grounded for months. Yet you told us that was the long term plan...
You missed the point sir. My point is in, hearing about the journey is as fun as drinking bleach.
I'm not trolling you. Simply reminding you, there's another 500 blogs before yours. All of which outline what you do. You even have your blog name on your Pprune log in like some student council rep.
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AFAIK, the training bond wasnt repaid under flexi until you went permanent anyway. Flexi contracts were typically UK only with European contracts being different by country. In any case, I reckon you’d just enter at the SO pay grade. As always, I’m happy to be proven wrong.
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120,000 Euro. Roughly I believe. I've a family member there on the BA Cityflyer scheme, I went out to visit. They're definitely improved, and vastly improved their airline links from when I trained 6-8 years ago.
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Wow, they have put their fees up a bit. When I interviewed 3 years back it was something like 90000 euro. On top of that the euro rate was really good!
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3 years ago you probably wouldn't of got a job mind! Not sure what happened there, i think they had a new HoT etc.
I wanted to train in the US. Hence why I went with Oxford, 15 months in Jerez didn't sound like fun.
I wanted to train in the US. Hence why I went with Oxford, 15 months in Jerez didn't sound like fun.
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Ah, The Air Show on BBC, back in the days when BA fully funded trainees on it's TEP programme. From what I recall, the quality of the content on that show was fairly decent.
Regarding the paper and a coffee, the thing is a lot of "dream" jobs do eventually become just a job. I had two "dream" careers I was applying for, one was flying for the airlines, the other was elsewhere. At the moment, I'm doing the latter as a trainee and whilst I do enjoy it most of the time, there is more to life than work itself.
I think the blogs can be very useful when it comes to understanding the process, including selection, financing and the actual training itself. However, the "dream" side of things can be wearisome, particularly when training providers and airlines use it to sell "opportunities" with poor T&Cs.
FTE do seem to be fairly strong at the moment though I must say I do see Kura and Wings Alliance having given modular a bit of a boost.
Regarding the paper and a coffee, the thing is a lot of "dream" jobs do eventually become just a job. I had two "dream" careers I was applying for, one was flying for the airlines, the other was elsewhere. At the moment, I'm doing the latter as a trainee and whilst I do enjoy it most of the time, there is more to life than work itself.
I think the blogs can be very useful when it comes to understanding the process, including selection, financing and the actual training itself. However, the "dream" side of things can be wearisome, particularly when training providers and airlines use it to sell "opportunities" with poor T&Cs.
FTE do seem to be fairly strong at the moment though I must say I do see Kura and Wings Alliance having given modular a bit of a boost.
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Sullysark,
Sure, let me go and comment in a post to which I have zero idea - because that’s logic, right?
I never denied issues in AZ, and you’ll find I said Bournemouth was in the longer term plan not AZ’s closure. With that said, as another user points out above, it makes total business sense to operate from a facility to which all assets are your own - hence Florida.
Sure as you’d expect, NZ is busy but staff are working damn hard to get through everyone - hats off to them. It’s the weather which is working against them right now. Hamilton’s in an odd place as when it’s nice here its crap elsewhere and vice versa. What more is there to say? While Clearways might be full; the accommodation being sourced is better to be fair! Nice new builds in town.
Anyways, I’m bored of this now. Any further issues with me then take it into a PM.
Sure, let me go and comment in a post to which I have zero idea - because that’s logic, right?
I never denied issues in AZ, and you’ll find I said Bournemouth was in the longer term plan not AZ’s closure. With that said, as another user points out above, it makes total business sense to operate from a facility to which all assets are your own - hence Florida.
Sure as you’d expect, NZ is busy but staff are working damn hard to get through everyone - hats off to them. It’s the weather which is working against them right now. Hamilton’s in an odd place as when it’s nice here its crap elsewhere and vice versa. What more is there to say? While Clearways might be full; the accommodation being sourced is better to be fair! Nice new builds in town.
Anyways, I’m bored of this now. Any further issues with me then take it into a PM.
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Originally posted by Sullysark
Due to a failed component of the aircraft which grounded the fleet for months, cadets actually flew home the delay was that bad! Secondly, they're leaving Arizona due to a falling out with Lufthansa
Due to a failed component of the aircraft which grounded the fleet for months, cadets actually flew home the delay was that bad! Secondly, they're leaving Arizona due to a falling out with Lufthansa
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Were you told the extent of the problem? Presumably your peers out in the U.S. would have kept friends at other locations informed if they had all that time on their hands? What a nightmare. Perhaps those students inconvenienced, unless tagged, will be compensated with a shoehorn into EZY?
Personally, I would be extremely careful posting information in any public forum about a training provider in the detail that has been provided here. If you are not posting with the endorsement of the management to support you, I would not wish to upset L3 who, as a U.S. corporation would undoubtable look unfavourably on delicate safety, operational and organisational matters being revealed by individuals under contract.
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I think we should leave Botley alone, we may push him too far.
I am however not under contract in any shape or form, and simply speaking from her say, which is strong here say. As an FO's give me a day long chat about said company last week, for once I put down my glorious caramel latte accompanied by a disgusting bacon butty and listened.
Have I told you I'm training to be a Pilot?
I am however not under contract in any shape or form, and simply speaking from her say, which is strong here say. As an FO's give me a day long chat about said company last week, for once I put down my glorious caramel latte accompanied by a disgusting bacon butty and listened.
Have I told you I'm training to be a Pilot?
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Kura is meant to be great, I've a few friends going down that route with them.
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I think we should leave Botley alone, we may push him too far.
I am however not under contract in any shape or form, and simply speaking from her say, which is strong here say. As an FO's give me a day long chat about said company last week, for once I put down my glorious caramel latte accompanied by a disgusting bacon butty and listened.
Have I told you I'm training to be a Pilot?
I am however not under contract in any shape or form, and simply speaking from her say, which is strong here say. As an FO's give me a day long chat about said company last week, for once I put down my glorious caramel latte accompanied by a disgusting bacon butty and listened.
Have I told you I'm training to be a Pilot?
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What an absolutely desperate pile of s**** this thread turned into.
Leave George alone for god's sake. I've only ever seen him try to help others and provide info.
If you're that peed off by people talking about their "journey" then perhaps looking at a flight training thread with people currently in flight training isn't the best idea.
Many forget how happy they once were when it all started out. They become blinded by bitterness and anger and turn against those who are them 10 years ago.
Go find a girlfriend or something honestly guys.
The levels to which some of us go to try and embarrass someone and make a point (serve the ego really) are shocking.
I think the thread can be concluded as easyjet are not desperate for pilots, not 200 hr guys at least.
Leave George alone for god's sake. I've only ever seen him try to help others and provide info.
If you're that peed off by people talking about their "journey" then perhaps looking at a flight training thread with people currently in flight training isn't the best idea.
Many forget how happy they once were when it all started out. They become blinded by bitterness and anger and turn against those who are them 10 years ago.
Go find a girlfriend or something honestly guys.
The levels to which some of us go to try and embarrass someone and make a point (serve the ego really) are shocking.
I think the thread can be concluded as easyjet are not desperate for pilots, not 200 hr guys at least.