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Take it whatever way you wish, you're essentially a marketing tool. That however is not personal against you, having never met you. It's simply the reality, can you confirm or deny cadets may be encouraged to document their progress through various forms of social media.
Complexities? It's a rerun of the Oxford/CAE buyout.
'Odd hiccup' could you clarify how long the fleet was grounded due to mechanical issues then was it weeks, days or even months. Weather is a valid reason not to fly, of course. It seems you know alot about L3, so I will delve a bit deeper. It may of been a long term plan, one day. But just how immediate was the move to Bournemouth? From what i've heard, it was last minute with a staff member getting emotional. (As I know people in L3, in this position)
Placement delays? Don't you mean type rating delays, are due to that reason. You can still recruit cadets, which other FTO's are and begin type rating late winter. This question was on EZY. As a current cadet pointed out, no interviews until December at L3. Another has said EZY recruited this week from an FTO. Do you not believe the end of Flexicrew, plays a roll in the delay of L3 Cadets going to Easyjet at present.
Complexities? It's a rerun of the Oxford/CAE buyout.
'Odd hiccup' could you clarify how long the fleet was grounded due to mechanical issues then was it weeks, days or even months. Weather is a valid reason not to fly, of course. It seems you know alot about L3, so I will delve a bit deeper. It may of been a long term plan, one day. But just how immediate was the move to Bournemouth? From what i've heard, it was last minute with a staff member getting emotional. (As I know people in L3, in this position)
Placement delays? Don't you mean type rating delays, are due to that reason. You can still recruit cadets, which other FTO's are and begin type rating late winter. This question was on EZY. As a current cadet pointed out, no interviews until December at L3. Another has said EZY recruited this week from an FTO. Do you not believe the end of Flexicrew, plays a roll in the delay of L3 Cadets going to Easyjet at present.
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I can confirm this, four of my friends at FTE Jerez who finished MCC/JOC after me went for an easy interview last week, heard back a day later for a January start. I'm currently in the hold pool at CTC L3 and easyJet interviews aren't on the table at the moment.
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Just pray that Tom the pilot doesn't get hold of you.
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Just pray that Tom the pilot doesn't get hold of you.
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EZY took a good large amount from FTE, all starting in January (I believe) and will be returning again.
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Those days are gone, CTC cadets are now being told there is no interview slots now as its been evident on this thread with two ex CTC students coming forward..
They're also waiting considerably longer for a type rating it would appear, yet having an earlier interview. Times have certainly changed, it would appear.
They're also waiting considerably longer for a type rating it would appear, yet having an earlier interview. Times have certainly changed, it would appear.
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As I'm aware. Yet recruitment at the same school via Route 1, 2 and 3 remains as prevalent as ever. There's the confusion to be truthful. If the airline truly was changing its' stance and opinion on L3 then surely you would see the entire portfolio alter? Just got to sit this out and see what happens. I never expected an easy ride anyway and always planned to apply to third-party carriers too. :-) Time will tell. Let's not forget this forum is full of rumours half the time.
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It would appear as though the DA40s don't achieve the performance otherwise claimed by manuals for such weather. This caused delays; many of which now rectified with amendments to SOPs for the fleet...
It would appear as though the DA40s don't achieve the performance otherwise claimed by manuals for such weather. This caused delays; many of which now rectified with amendments to SOPs for the fleet...
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In any case, the partnership behind the very operation in Arizona is to cease in 2018. Florida, i'm told, is currently undergoing approval for EASA and will replace it as the US base.
In any case, the partnership behind the very operation in Arizona is to cease in 2018. Florida, i'm told, is currently undergoing approval for EASA and will replace it as the US base.
Look at the history of European commercial flight training conducted by large schools over the past 20 odd years and you'll see there's a reason why they left Florida for...well, Arizona.
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Tom the Pilot..... So much truth and is hilarious. Also, L3 moving ops to Florida is just weird, Arizona is a stable weather environment with no chance of a Cat 5 hurricane blowing through a couple of times a year. Also, using NZ as "fair weather" training is just bonkers, it's just a UK climate. Someone needs to help them out a bit with training locations....
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I think that is certainly the case for cadets at CTC. They're being frozen out due to the MPL route. EZY could choose CTC to do 90% of their MPL students and use another FTO for ATPL students which appears to have been FTE. TR in Amsterdam in a few months. I do believe the closure of flexi crew plays a very large role as well, remember at CTC you were still employed with CTC but basically working as a contractor for EZY.
Interesting how times change as another member posted. Swings and roundabouts.
Maybe EZY had an issue with some of the whitetail cadets? in terms of standards, who knows.
Interesting how times change as another member posted. Swings and roundabouts.
Maybe EZY had an issue with some of the whitetail cadets? in terms of standards, who knows.
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Sullyarks,
Despite how it often seems; we're not - funnily enough. Most people who do write blogs, make vlogs etc do it as their proud to be on their journey they're on.
The last post I made is the extent of my knowledge of the management decisions in respect of Bournemouth. I'll not share anymore simply as it would be speculation. I do know that Arizona, Phoenix in particular, has had a very warm summer this year and some days where turbulence at altitude would prevent flight operations. So AZ was compounded by multiple things. This Florida position, namely in Sandford, is already operational under Aerosim L3's other flight school subsidiary since brought under the "L3 CTS" banner. But we'll have to see how it fairs with hurricanes going forwards eh!
A fair few cadets were getting mainland Europe. Flexicrew is on the way out, yes, but I've no idea if this is a reason for anything slowing. I'm not at that stage of training yet so can't really comment. The growth of MPL is a concern from a Whitetail standpoint; but most of that growth is happening behind my specific course in new groups starting training a few months after me. I would question a Whitetail investment today; if I failed to get Routes 1, 2 or 3.
Can you confirm or deny cadets may be encouraged to document their progress through various forms of social media.
Do you not believe the end of Flexicrew, plays a roll in the delay of L3 Cadets going to Easyjet at present.
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Well, thats a lie. #CTCTAKEOVER I'll say no more.
It's strange, I've never come across a CAE blog, nor a FTE blog, nor an Aeros blog, nor an Atlantic Flight Training blog. It's continuously been L3. I'm sure you're proud, having been on that journey myself and now at an airline, I quickly realised I'm not any different then the 500 people to do the course before me or the 500 who will do it after. It's a job, I don't see Lawyers making blogs or Vlogs.
'It would simply be speculation' - Small plane crash lands in Goodyear field - 3TV | CBS 5 Are you sure it was just weather related now with a touch of wake turbulence? Or maybe mechanical... if an aircraft manages to fall out of the sky.. who knows, its all speculation after all.
I'm aware of the flight school, it was formally Delta's many years ago. As another user pointed out (Reverserbucket), flight schools left that area due to the serious weather issues.
I wonder why they left Arizona and done the complete opposite. Any ideas?
'The odd L3 interview' has turned into 'slowing' within a few posts. It's all speculation. Either way what we do know is if you're with L3 you're currently waiting a long period to get an Easyjet interview, and even longer to get type rated. Think carefully, before you have a change of heart a few posts down and start back tracking on answers.
It's strange, I've never come across a CAE blog, nor a FTE blog, nor an Aeros blog, nor an Atlantic Flight Training blog. It's continuously been L3. I'm sure you're proud, having been on that journey myself and now at an airline, I quickly realised I'm not any different then the 500 people to do the course before me or the 500 who will do it after. It's a job, I don't see Lawyers making blogs or Vlogs.
'It would simply be speculation' - Small plane crash lands in Goodyear field - 3TV | CBS 5 Are you sure it was just weather related now with a touch of wake turbulence? Or maybe mechanical... if an aircraft manages to fall out of the sky.. who knows, its all speculation after all.
I'm aware of the flight school, it was formally Delta's many years ago. As another user pointed out (Reverserbucket), flight schools left that area due to the serious weather issues.
I wonder why they left Arizona and done the complete opposite. Any ideas?
'The odd L3 interview' has turned into 'slowing' within a few posts. It's all speculation. Either way what we do know is if you're with L3 you're currently waiting a long period to get an Easyjet interview, and even longer to get type rated. Think carefully, before you have a change of heart a few posts down and start back tracking on answers.
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It's been interesting to see the change over the last year of whitetail cadets posting Instagram photos of AQC passes and then very soon after job offers and TR training to now many drying up after AQC with the odd photo of some entry level airside aviation jobs, hardly 'living the dream'. I can't imagine it is a comfortable place to be in considering the looming repayments in the distance for those without bank of mum and dad, poor souls.
I see some who are struggling to get jobs even have the honour of working for L3 as "Airline Pilot Careers Advisors", though I notice this is a sales position with targets rather than based on the honesty of those cadet's experience, can't be easy selling the dream you're not living yet.
L3 sure appears to be the place of choice to be on a tagged scheme and I'd go with them on a heartbeat for that, but for those enrolling on whitetail the odds are turning, it seems not a fortnight goes by when another CP starts. I wonder how much these new people know about the hold pools filling up, I have friends who have resigned themselves since April to wait an entire year for an interview with a partner or otherwise have to compete against modular cadets, many now asking "What did I pay extra for."
Seeing as L3 has rebranded now, maybe the new brochures can be redesigned to spell out the risks of whitetail a bit clearer, it's only fair rather than the smoke and mirrors "Training Sponsorship", ultimately on whitetail you are a paying customer, no scholar.
In the last year I have been totally put off whitetail and have advised others to consider the same as I can foresee the hold pool turning into a hold ocean as tagged cadets on large schemes take all the places whitetails once took and CP after CP backs up into the pools, while once again the debt looms, which is a shame as there are some great individuals, some of them friends, in whitetail.
I hope you come out of L3 with all the luck you can get Gbotley after writing such fantastic and honest blog posts. I think you might need it!
I see some who are struggling to get jobs even have the honour of working for L3 as "Airline Pilot Careers Advisors", though I notice this is a sales position with targets rather than based on the honesty of those cadet's experience, can't be easy selling the dream you're not living yet.
L3 sure appears to be the place of choice to be on a tagged scheme and I'd go with them on a heartbeat for that, but for those enrolling on whitetail the odds are turning, it seems not a fortnight goes by when another CP starts. I wonder how much these new people know about the hold pools filling up, I have friends who have resigned themselves since April to wait an entire year for an interview with a partner or otherwise have to compete against modular cadets, many now asking "What did I pay extra for."
Seeing as L3 has rebranded now, maybe the new brochures can be redesigned to spell out the risks of whitetail a bit clearer, it's only fair rather than the smoke and mirrors "Training Sponsorship", ultimately on whitetail you are a paying customer, no scholar.
In the last year I have been totally put off whitetail and have advised others to consider the same as I can foresee the hold pool turning into a hold ocean as tagged cadets on large schemes take all the places whitetails once took and CP after CP backs up into the pools, while once again the debt looms, which is a shame as there are some great individuals, some of them friends, in whitetail.
I hope you come out of L3 with all the luck you can get Gbotley after writing such fantastic and honest blog posts. I think you might need it!
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Sullysark,
Your tone is coming across as a bit direct. You can have all the distaste towards me as you wish for I have never once felt to be far superior to anyone else. Nor will ever pretend to be if I’m ever so lucky to find an airline placement. The fact is, regardless of the school all of the three have had negative moments in history. I’ll leave the link you provide down to your own pondering as it’s not my place to comment. Why would I need to ‘think carefully’? Nothing I have written now, or in the past, has been a lie. I hope you enjoy your career considering you’re lucky enough to be in one. I’d encourage you to not forget your roots and the thoughts and concerns you may have had during your own training. Many people on PPRune forget that once they’ve the keys to their 320/737. As for the Arizona question, Florida is already established and has been run as AeroSim for some time. That school is also rebranding and will soon take on L3 EASA ops too. Not so much a decision to go there, more a decision to use what's already there.
Planesandthings,
Thank you for your best wishes. You’re right, I may well need it but I hold hope things change in the next 6 months. All it takes in this industry, as you know no doubt, is one thing to change and all these comments could’ve been for nothing. Blog or not though, I consider myself no different to the man next to me.
All the best
Your tone is coming across as a bit direct. You can have all the distaste towards me as you wish for I have never once felt to be far superior to anyone else. Nor will ever pretend to be if I’m ever so lucky to find an airline placement. The fact is, regardless of the school all of the three have had negative moments in history. I’ll leave the link you provide down to your own pondering as it’s not my place to comment. Why would I need to ‘think carefully’? Nothing I have written now, or in the past, has been a lie. I hope you enjoy your career considering you’re lucky enough to be in one. I’d encourage you to not forget your roots and the thoughts and concerns you may have had during your own training. Many people on PPRune forget that once they’ve the keys to their 320/737. As for the Arizona question, Florida is already established and has been run as AeroSim for some time. That school is also rebranding and will soon take on L3 EASA ops too. Not so much a decision to go there, more a decision to use what's already there.
Planesandthings,
Thank you for your best wishes. You’re right, I may well need it but I hold hope things change in the next 6 months. All it takes in this industry, as you know no doubt, is one thing to change and all these comments could’ve been for nothing. Blog or not though, I consider myself no different to the man next to me.
All the best
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Sullysark,
Your tone is coming across as a bit direct. You can have all the distaste towards me as you wish for I have never once felt to be far superior to anyone else. Nor will ever pretend to be if I’m ever so lucky to find an airline placement. The fact is, regardless of the school all of the three have had negative moments in history. I’ll leave the link you provide down to your own pondering as it’s not my place to comment. Why would I need to ‘think carefully’? Nothing I have written now, or in the past, has been a lie. I hope you enjoy your career considering you’re lucky enough to be in one. I’d encourage you to not forget your roots and the thoughts and concerns you may have had during your own training. Many people on PPRune forget that once they’ve the keys to their 320/737.
Your tone is coming across as a bit direct. You can have all the distaste towards me as you wish for I have never once felt to be far superior to anyone else. Nor will ever pretend to be if I’m ever so lucky to find an airline placement. The fact is, regardless of the school all of the three have had negative moments in history. I’ll leave the link you provide down to your own pondering as it’s not my place to comment. Why would I need to ‘think carefully’? Nothing I have written now, or in the past, has been a lie. I hope you enjoy your career considering you’re lucky enough to be in one. I’d encourage you to not forget your roots and the thoughts and concerns you may have had during your own training. Many people on PPRune forget that once they’ve the keys to their 320/737.
Great, thanks for the personal background. Let's not get off track, CTC/Easyjet/L3. You'd need to think carefully as you back tracked within 3 post, yet with other cadets telling you their personal experience.
All 3 have negatives correct, but we're not discussing the other 2. One of which I attended and it went through what CTC are now experiencing a few years ago and its never got it's reputation back. 'My roots' Well, I didn't write a blog, nor become a marketing tool for a flight school. Keys to an A320/737? I certainly didn't call myself 'Pilot so and so' nor do I, yet I am a pilot!
You told the viewers on this forum, it was weather related and suggested it. Utter nonsense, an aircraft fell clean out of the sky. You're aware of that, if I knew. Due to a failed component of the aircraft which grounded the fleet for months, cadets actually flew home the delay was that bad! Secondly, they're leaving Arizona due to a falling out with Lufthansa, was that in CTC Aviation long term planning? Or the the company has had to pay thousands to the instructors so they will remain until the move base.
You've left this all out! Don't leave out the truth now, the truth will set you free. You actually begun a thread to tell the good people about the rebrand a few months back, only no one replied to it. If you're going to be an unofficial spokes man, lets be honest and say it like it is. 'Odd hiccup' someone could have died, I'm not sure thats the phrase i'd use. The fact you won't pass comment, says all we need to know.
