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Qatar Airways 2017 MPL

Old 4th Sep 2017, 05:02
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Parkfell

Always amazes me when people talk without having a clue.

Once you are done with a CPL you can technically gain employment anywhere

After the issue of your MPL license you need to be partnered with your sponsor airline and if Qatar gets rid of you , you have wasted your money

You clearly don't know Qatar and the sandbox look at what's happening with alpha and Aby

Burning holes in the sky ?

Lol go get some flight time
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Old 4th Sep 2017, 07:02
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Originally Posted by Speedbird148 View Post
rustydusty is there still a substantial gap between acceptance onto the MPL scheme and commencing training? You mentioned 2018 for yourself.
For me personally It has been a slow process. From the date I applied to the date I will start it will be around 18 months but I did have to resit PILAPT. I do think I am on one of the last courses for people who have already passed so it could be an indication that people who get accepted this time round might not have to wait that long.

Again all really depends on availability, if you pass selection first time etc.
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Old 4th Sep 2017, 07:55
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Thanks for clarifying.
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Old 4th Sep 2017, 07:56
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Originally Posted by gbotley View Post
Speedbird148,

There's a substantial amount of trainees coming through this place right now and any delays are not only attributed to start dates, but other phases in addition to type ratings. As an example, Whitetail cadets coming out the end and securing jobs at easyJet are being told to expect Type Ratings in the Spring. Demand, which we know is high, and associated capacity for the deliverance aren't totally marrying at the moment. L3 has brick and mortar expansion plans both in Hamilton and back in the UK over the next 12 months so that may well go a way to reducing the initial wait. For example, the new type rating centre in London.

MPL delays however could be attributed to an airline spacing out the dates trainees would eventually be line ready.
Thanks for insight. Take your point re demand outstripping capacity until new facilities in place. But do you also think it's in part a case of whitetails being prioritised behind tagged cadets ?
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Old 4th Sep 2017, 11:00
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Parkfell
It made me laugh so thanks for that I mean flying experience is vastly over rated compared with classroom and sim training
Really ?
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Old 4th Sep 2017, 12:16
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Originally Posted by rustydusty View Post
I am starting the Qatar MPL COURSE next year and have been told our group will do both ground school and flight training in Hamilton.

It is different for every course though, I guess it depends on the availability at the time. I know some people starting In November and they are doing ground school in Southampton.

I just applied for it and I hope it will be at Hamilton.

Did you attend all your interviews in UK?
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Old 4th Sep 2017, 14:07
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@Speedbird148

That's another point entirely, but yes. Airlines supposedly impose "financial penalties" on companies that fail to deliver MPL cadets on time. In that sense it can sometimes feel as though MPL cadets take priority. With this said, the capacity thing is by no means related to solely L3. Something many fail to realise is L3's Hamilton base trains cadets for airlines in the Asia/Pacific market too and things are pretty busy here as a result. I'd rather a school be busy though than struggling financially.

In my time here three additional 172s have joined the fleet to accommodate for flights / courses which do not require EFIS equipped aircraft. From what I've heard there are plans in the works for expansion to the ground school facilities as well as construction of additional accommodation at Clearways to house these newer courses. In addition - i'm not 100% on this one as it was a rumour - there's the potential for L3 simulators to be installed here for IndiGo type ratings thus removing the need for said trainees to make use of L3's UK facilities. From all of this it's clear lots of changes are to come although it's likely I'll be out the other end before they come into play.

Just with any takeover and subsequent growth there are changes to be expected. I just hope it doesn't impact the overall product longer term. There's then the subsequent integration of AeroSim into the wider business. Who knows how that'll fair. With all of this said, would I change my choice of school? - Certainly not. I simply can't fault the quality of the instructors here!
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Old 4th Sep 2017, 19:01
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My response was a generic comment to MPL, not at Qatar internal matters.
Anyone can be terminated during line training , or at any other point due to lack of progress, be it through the normal route, or MPL.

There are cases five years ago or so, where the initial sponsor did not take on MPL students due to their financial circumstances.
This does make the situation more difficult, but that is the nature of the beast where employment is lined up if it all goes as advertised. Potential certainty, as oppose to "whitetail" uncertainty.

If you are "got rid off" due to performance, you are probably stuffed anyway irrespective of what route you initially followed ?

The "classroom" and exams is identical irrespective of what route you take. You do have a point about the value of flying experience and giving yourself more than one fright to concentrate the mind.
I suggest you look at a syllabus for the MPL sim phase, before you pontificate about what a level D simulator can achieve, and what is expected of the students.
I have taught both routes, and therefore speak with some actual knowledge of what both have to offer.

As for flying experience, I started flying powered ac aged 17 in 1971. I have sufficient time aloft thank you, both instruction for CPL/IR, and airline flying.

As a QFI at PIK during the 1990's with CAP509 training followed by Hydrid JAR, and then JAR training in 1999, the more competent had a substantial amount of SE flying to burn off post IRT ( IRST) to complete the syllabus with BAeFC.
Burning holes in the sky.........
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Old 5th Sep 2017, 12:36
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So 100 hours burning holes in the sky is of no merit? Well, it's flying and whilst doing it, gaining valuable experience of handling an aeroplane. I don't know where there is no merit in that!
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Old 5th Sep 2017, 12:40
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L3 have confirmed the license at the end is a QCCA MPL.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 22:58
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Due to the blockade and Qatar being in a volatile region at the moment. Do you think this will affect securing positions in the future?

I'm thinking more in the future, say, 5 years from now. Potential for Qatar to downsize? made redundant?

Profits are being hit with the 'superconnectors' Emirates, Etihad and Qatar.
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Old 8th Sep 2017, 12:37
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Originally Posted by rustydusty View Post
I am starting the Qatar MPL COURSE next year and have been told our group will do both ground school and flight training in Hamilton.

It is different for every course though, I guess it depends on the availability at the time. I know some people starting In November and they are doing ground school in Southampton.


Hi, rusty dusty.
hope you're doing well.
I've actually applied for Qatar MPL Sep 2017.
But I also waited over a year for the applications to open and meanwhile have been practising for my selection process and I wanted you to share your experience and how you got through. If there is anyway I can contact personally let me know.
thank you.
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Old 8th Sep 2017, 13:21
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parkfell I highly doubt you are an airline pilot

no you are not just fired because you fail in line training due to performance , mind you in any airline you can be fired at anytime becuase they dont like your face. and in the case of being a cadet mpl you will have no where to go afterwards.
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Old 8th Sep 2017, 16:09
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Originally Posted by rustydusty View Post
I am starting the Qatar MPL COURSE next year and have been told our group will do both ground school and flight training in Hamilton.

It is different for every course though, I guess it depends on the availability at the time. I know some people starting In November and they are doing ground school in Southampton.
Is it possible for you to get in touch with me as I am due to start soon and I have no idea yet who would be on my course, cheers
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 08:16
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I honestly feel it is a good program, but 109k pounds, though cheaper than most self-sponsored programs, it still a large sum. Sigh..
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 20:54
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Tell me, how can you be approved to teach MPL without the multi crew experience gained in airlines? Minimum 1500 hours required.

I wonder whether your 8 Sept post refers to someone closer the home.
Perhaps we should be told......

PA28 160 (5 Sept)

The burning off refers to the flying once the flying tests have been completed. At least SPIC has improved matters. You need to explore the MPL route. It is specific training for a specific function, viz RHS, and only that. No use if you want GA flying ( apart from PPL recreation flying) as FI or anything else. You don't have the necessary light ac flying.
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 22:27
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Originally Posted by aviatit View Post
I just applied for it and I hope it will be at Hamilton.

Did you attend all your interviews in UK?
Yup, all assessments/Interviews are done in the UK.
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 22:31
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Originally Posted by okay hars View Post
Hi, rusty dusty.
hope you're doing well.
I've actually applied for Qatar MPL Sep 2017.
But I also waited over a year for the applications to open and meanwhile have been practising for my selection process and I wanted you to share your experience and how you got through. If there is anyway I can contact personally let me know.
thank you.
Feel free to PM me, but general advice is practice, practice, practice for both PILAPT and possible interview questions.

I found SkyTest to be the best for practicing PILAPT and Latest Pilot Jobs for the maths test.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 22:14
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Hey guys i got info from ctc, its written;

We would suggest at this time that the training with Qatar Airways would not begin until towards the end of 2018.

That means we have to wait more than a year or so?
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 18:20
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Hi, its not so much as having to wait until the end of 2018. The slection process will take most of the time between now and then, there are four stages to selection the first being the online application. After this you can book a selection day that is within a couple of weeks and after this you will have a few months of paperwork, medical and a few other bits before the final interview with a couple Qatar Training captains. Once this is done the last step is security steps and sorting course dates ect. So the actual wait (if you are first to book the slection day) is not that long. Spaces on courses are allocated based on when the selection day is booked from what I was told so the sooner you book onto that the sooner you will be offered a start date.
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