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Old 19th May 2017, 08:25
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The six year command at EZY is no doubt one of the big selling points (if it is still the case), though I do hear a lot of dissatisfaction about the roster, which I believe is 5/4/5/2. I do shift work outside of aviation and I'm on a 4/3 which is better. Out of interest, what is the typical duty hours per week of someone at Easyjet? It's probably not too much of a worry for cadets but fast forward 10 years with the proverbial house, spouse and 2.2 kids I can see it becoming a sticking point.

Most of the airlines which offer better rosters don't take DECs as far as I know, so it presents an interesting dilemma between a large pay cut (from what is arguably a very good salary) and toughing it out. I know there's a reduced hours option but the pay and hours reduction aren't proportionate.
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Old 19th May 2017, 09:09
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Originally Posted by UberPilot View Post
You're not spending 50k more just to fly an orange 320 instead of a white one; you're spending the extra money to join a FTSE 100 company with continued forecast growth, a potential command after 6 years and world wide recognised training. Not to mention bases in western Europe, pension, security etc
You are paying for your training, it's somewhat absurd to think you are paying towards the airline. By all means pay it, you clearly haven't worked for that 125,000 otherwise you would take exception to it and want to know where it is going. This is flight training, not a restaurant. Higher costs don't quite equate to better training in all circumstances. You get taught how to fly and once you go to a competent enough school there is no difference. Unless you want t to say you went to Oxford ... coming back to those who clearly do not know just what 125,000 is. You appear to be a victim of the hype they create. CTC and OAA charge more cos they know the likes of you will pay it. I hope they start charging 150k.

Command at 6 years? Not anymore from current easyjet pilots I have spoken to.

You're so focused on easyJet? No problem. Has it occurred to you that you can train for 50k less, get 500hrs and within the year join easyJet as direct entry? You would have saved a fortune and have the exact same job as those who were too blind to see that they were paying so much more just for a name.

Go and speak to any pilot in the business, I am fairly certain they will react with shock and horror when they hear 125,000. Then try and justify it to them with "but it's CTC, they give the best training so they charge a lot". They will tell you the rest.
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Old 19th May 2017, 10:16
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But what is true that the offer was so bad you applied for them before and was rejected, not sour grapes surely!!

I wonder what you would say now if you was in your orange A320, my guess is a bit different.
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Old 19th May 2017, 11:58
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I'm well aware of the situation at eJ having been here for 4 years! The fact is you are not just paying for training, you are paying a premium for a certain as you'll find a guarantee of a job with one of the most secure airlines in europe! I can assure you that 6 years is not unrealistic for command at the moment either.

Look, everyone makes different choices for different reasons, but the "my license is just the same as yours" or "my 320 is just the same as yours" is only valid to a certain extent. You pay a premium for these courses as you know wherever you start with ej, within 1-2 years if you so wish you can be based anywhere in western europe in a city of your choice and if you work hard have a command after 3500 hours. That's the bottom line.

If your aim is to be at ej in CDG/LGW or SXF etc then trying to save 50k and run the risk of having to apply as a DEFO seems a little silly...
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Old 19th May 2017, 13:24
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Sorry but first, saying airlines are first gonna look at ctc after baa once you got hours is not knowing anything about this industry. What matters is hours that's it. You're just trying to convince yourself ctc is better than anything else in any case. Plus I don't know you guys but do you realise what it is 50k Pound???? For what job secured? Don't you think wizzair isn't secured with an order of 110 neo until 2024? Then are you ready to put that extra money to leave 20 miles from your mum? Open your eyes this is the real world, if you wanna be pilot you might leave somewhere else than your home. 50k is a huge amount of money years of hard work and dedication. I don't say go for baa just not considering it,in the general case (obviously personal cases can change everything) is a shame.
About smartlynx I can understand and hear what you say. Obviously it's less secured than easyJet, Ryanair is not comparable to easyJet in terms of stability, do self employment and come back telling me if that's really advantageous.
But that's the little risk is the price of the opportunity. If you go after the one who tried you ll pay more, have more competition and at the end lose the advantage you had at first. I can understand some of you aren't ready to take the risk, but that's part of the win. Plus at the moment the risk is pretty low honestly.
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Smartlynx is growing, they signed lot's of contracts those last months, pilots fly a lot during the summer and less during the winter it's true but on average do around 700 750h per year.
I think people don't realize how hard it is to get into that industry, you have not the luxury of the choice, try everything you can.
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Old 19th May 2017, 15:06
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You're just trying to convince yourself ctc is better than anything else in any case. Plus I don't know you guys but do you realise what it is 50k Pound???? For what job secured? Don't you think wizzair isn't secured with an order of 110 neo until 2024? Then are you ready to put that extra money to leave 20 miles from your mum? Open your eyes this is the real world, if you wanna be pilot you might leave somewhere else than your home. 50k is a huge amount of money years of hard work and dedication. I don't say go for baa just not considering it,in the general case (obviously personal cases can change everything) is a shame.
You would need to try and justify it pretty hard to yourself is the fact of the matter, as I explained earlier this thread is viewed by a lot more than those commenting, people are watching, and those that know the true value of 50,000 are taking serious note. Many have PMd me asking for further details on the course and selection with WIZZ/Smartlynx and BAA. The funny thing is none of them are from the UK. And I think this has a lot to do with it, us UK folk have this impression that we are the best at everything we do, no one can deliver training like us, no one can run an airline like us, no one can dare beat good ol blighty at anything. Flight training in Europe? Preposterous! Eastern Europe? They have planes!? What would the family think!? ... get me into OAA even if it costs 150k! (from someone who probably only left school last year)

This is highlighted in the fact that many people here would pay 50k more to fly the exact same aircraft but stay next to mummy and aunty as Ben correctly said. You can quite easily move back when you get your hours anyway, ex smartlynx pilots are peppered all over the place in many large carriers with well established reputations. It isn't Bongo Bongo from the Congo who's ex pilots people want to avoid like the plague ... as the less informed on here want to tell themselves in order to justify their unjustified spending spree of their parent's hard earned cash.

And uberpilot, do tell me why no one else in Europe would touch someone with an EASA ATPL (frozen or not) with an A320 rating from an EASA approved ATO and AOC holder? This is either arrogance or ignorance, but considering your claims to be an easyJet pilot for 4 years I think neither are really good. You should know better. Are you aware your own employers currently use Smartlynx? If they are so substandard then why are your employers jeopardising passenger safety? This is not the first year they have used smartlynx either. And no, I'd pay save 50k and then apply to whoever I wanted to and end up where I may want to be ... to suggest spending 50k to be in western europe in your first year or two is somewhat parallel to logic.
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Old 19th May 2017, 15:36
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I didn't say it wasn't a good operator, I was just pointing out that you are in no way guaranteed to be able to move around amongst companies as you chose. EJ DEFO is pretty competitive - if that's the aim then surely you'd be better off just starting here in the first place?

Anyway, the only reason I chipped in was because I disagree with the "same license" and "same job" philosophy. It's actually quite hard to move around companies even once qualified and experienced. In fact You're only really in demand and marketable once you have command and a thousand hours. I urge people to consider this when choosing their various paths...
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Old 19th May 2017, 16:48
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I have revived an email stating that they are now accepting re-applications.
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Old 19th May 2017, 17:32
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Hours are hours no doubt once you have them, the question here is what is the most PROVEN scheme, value for money only comes into it down the road once you have the hours and you know what the overall experience was. But to say value for money/saving this or that without even a foot in the door in a completely new un tried and tested scheme doesn't make sense.
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Old 19th May 2017, 17:44
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I have revived an email stating that they are now accepting re-applications.
Maybe they will re-open route 4 as well
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Old 19th May 2017, 18:45
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Who knows baa enough here to say the training isn't as good as ctc? Probably not that many, the reputation is something but the quality is something else. I'm sure ctc is a great school as the top 3 but doesn't mean there is just those one.
I can talk myself about baa and I can assure you it's more than serious and no factory. About the other I can't. About hours, the upgrade to captain come after 4 years with wizz and quite fast for smartlynx too so if that's the valuable hours you got them pretty fast
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Old 19th May 2017, 20:57
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I imagine part of the EZY appeal is the lack of a language barrier, if you're going to be doing your training in the UK/NZ/US and working in the UK afterwards then you don't have to think about learning a new language and the associated national culture before/during training.

If you're going to be working in Eastern Europe, then you'll need to learn a language and whilst many people would be capable of doing so, we Brits, being on an island and speaking one of the most spoken languages in the world, aren't always too good at that. I'm certainly not and neither are a lot of people I know, of course I'd like to learn sometime though. I imagine the uncertainties of Brexit apply too.

Of course, the Smartlynx programme appears to be better value than EZY, not that it is necessarily cheap or easily affordable by any standards. I do reckon though that you'd need to up for a bit of adventure to go for it.
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Old 19th May 2017, 22:42
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Originally Posted by Chris the Robot View Post
If you're going to be working in Eastern Europe, then you'll need to learn a language and whilst many people would be capable of doing so, we Brits, being on an island and speaking one of the most spoken languages in the world, aren't always too good at that. I'm certainly not and neither are a lot of people I know, of course I'd like to learn sometime though. I imagine the uncertainties of Brexit apply too.
I think pretty much everywhere you go nowadays people know even basic English, but anyway, where is the guarantee that easyJet are gonna base you in an English speaking country?

The chances of smartlynx basing us in Eastern Europe are very slim as a matter of fact, by far most of their contracts are actually in Western Europe and have been for the last number of years, and U.K. bases/contracts to be specific.
You're right about the adventure part, there is always the chance of them pulling you off standby to go fly ad hoc last minute, as happened recently when Vueling got Smartlynx to operate their Barcelona - Dublin rotation at the last minute. I don't know about others but I personally don't mind this really.
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Old 20th May 2017, 08:58
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We get it. You're paying less than everyone else. Bravo. Really pleased for you.

So how come you're obsessed with posting in the EZY thread if you're so happy with your 'airline'??
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Old 20th May 2017, 15:53
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Application sent off


Hoping for the loan to be underwritten by EZY. Unfortunately I've no assets to secure a loan against myself, but here's hoping! Last selection with CTC in the last 6 months which I passed and was offered whitetail, although I'm not holding my breath on having to fork out for another assessment if my applications accepted


I need to break into this industry at some point, all these 18 year olds making me feel old
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Old 20th May 2017, 16:07
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Best of luck!
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Old 20th May 2017, 16:48
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I thought there was an OAA/EZY thread floating around, could be wrong though! Try here, there's some mention of OAA: http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...et-2016-a.html
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Old 20th May 2017, 17:50
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I don't see why OAA shouldn't be included so I've added something about it in the first post.
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Old 20th May 2017, 23:30
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Hi everyone,

I am writing to you to ask when and where I can apply for this campaign "for the love of Flying".

Best regards
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Old 21st May 2017, 09:43
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Hello, currently you can apply on either CTC aviation or CAE Oxford. Simply google generation easyJet with either of the training schools name. Both slightly offer different terms so make sure to read each of them well.
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