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Old 13th Feb 2021, 20:44
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You probably don't know what it means to open a business.
And you can probably break-even after years, being a lucky one.
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 21:01
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Ultimately, there is a load of jobs, in particular in finance, where people need very expensive post graduation masters to get access at some positions (I'm talking about my country).
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 22:58
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But the salaries would be more than decent from the start. Here you would struggle to break even, assuming you even get to fly, which is unlikely, since actual Smartlynx pilots are on unpaid leave themselves.
Smartlynx was together with Avion Express one of the worst airlines even during the good times, money wise, I don't even wanna think about the salaries post covid...
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 23:06
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Yes I totally agree, infact i'm not defending this company, and I don't even know the actual salary
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Old 15th Feb 2021, 10:41
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Hi guys!

Is anyone here thinking of starting the TR course (Job guarantee - 35k) in March with this Company?

thanks
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Old 15th Feb 2021, 12:02
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Just tell me, I am trying to figure it out...
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 22:14
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I did the on line assessment last week and the interview this week.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 10:37
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Lockeed,

How was the Online assessment ? How did you prepare and also with the ATPL? Did you do aviation exam before or how did you prepare. I havent prepared due to been working and didn't know if I was going to hear from them and then suddenly out of thin air I got an email this morning.

I just feel after reading this thread that it feels like a scam. Even tho I know it feels like p2f is the only way for us newly graduated pilots with hours below 250.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 14:19
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Dear all,

I have also been interested in this programme, but compared to a standard Type-Rating course, the amount of given training is on the lower end.
With SmartLynx you get: 9 days ground course/ 12 hrs FTD/ 40 hrs FFS/ Skill Test and base training for 35 000 Euros.

I don't know any details about the offered contract after training, but I think it will only be upon demand of pilots. If you look at their customers (half of them are in trouble have made pilots redundant), this demand will in my opinion very low (please keep in mind, that graduates from end of 2019 and 2020 are not flying and also their own pilots).

I have another offer for a A320 Type-Rating from a well known company in germany, which includes:
15 days ground-school/ 39 hrs FTD/ 32 hrs FFS/ Skill Test and base training for 21 000 Euros.

So you get a lot more hours in the FTD to familiarize yourself with the aircraft and to be fit for the FFS-sessions (but only eight FFS sessions) + longer ground school.
For me it's an overpriced rating, to keep their simulators busy.
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Old 13th Mar 2021, 15:52
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A good friend of mine did the type rating in april 2019. We both did the selection with a Romanian company called Blue Air. But at the end he chose for Smartlynx because he wanter to fly Airbus. I regretted going to Blue Air. However he did get a contract after the type rating. But then again, this was in the peak season of 2019. It's hard to believe that this year it will come close to 2019 and before.

I personally will never pay for a type rating again without having a job guarantee.

Good luck to you all.
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Old 17th Mar 2021, 09:43
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You have done it once with blue air, why not twice? Smart choice from your partner not going to hell in blue air.
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Old 18th Mar 2021, 11:33
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If you want to do type rating do it at independent training center which would cost around 15-20k. Believe me my friends who did TR at independent training center and at SLX are at the same condition during last 1 year. No job, no salary (even they have contract with SLX). With the difference of 15K you can fly SE or ME more or less 50 hours so you can keep yourself current and into the aviation.

Their service agreement contract is totally illegal in my opinion but not binding in European Union because it is offered via 3rd country company. Having this contract or not having is exactly has same meaning=unemployment. Sooner or later this type of bogus schemes and contract will be forbidden however politicians need to wait and see some catastrophic event which involves such contracts. There is nothing here to compare with RYR contracts because they are much more socially responsible.

2021 will be hard year for pilots who has such contracts therefore flying times will be very little. If SLX starts to operate this year it will be maybe with 5-8 A/C at most. Like one of the post said I would not be surprised if they let new TR students fly instead of those finished on 2019-2020.

Think twice.

I would say if you really want something in aviation do a teaching course for ground schools or obtain FI rating. Because teaching sector will revitalize faster than commercial flying since there is at least lag of 2 years.
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Old 18th Mar 2021, 14:49
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I would say you are wrong. I mean this would be the case in ideal world. Unfortunatelly, majority of people thinks this way: everyone is doing ATPL now - I should do it to... So masivelly training will start when airlines will start to hire again. Those who will start training now, will be finishing by that time and be "job ready", those who will start in that moment will in big numbers finish training just before another crisis.

Its the same in economy, if the taxi driver tells you he is buing stocks cause its awesome way of making money its a good time to sell yours.
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Old 18th Mar 2021, 15:34
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The entire ACMI and non-scheduled sector is, by and large, a fisherman's job. The sales team may or may not get a sound contract for a long-term flight programme, especially in times like those. One-off flights are also not a given - you may get 10 of those this month and then none for the next 2 months. So, by default, go in with your eyes wide open. You may be crazy busy at times and then idling for months on end. And the latter hurts a lot if you don't have a proper base salary to see you through times when there's little to no flight activity.

What (kind of) gives some hope is that Smartlynx seem to have sound connections with travel agencies in their region. So, some charter work will be there for as long as international travel to any leisure destination remains a possibility. However, what will happen with all the aircraft which normally worked for clients abroad? My guess is that few of them will be flying a meaningful schedule this summer. May I be wrong. And this is what will determine how many pilots will be needed.
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Old 4th Apr 2021, 02:04
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My friend was there and the info I have is the following. The costs of the TR at SLX are rising since 2016 from 20K now up to 35K, before there was no job guarantees, everything depends on the personal performance at the ATO and of course the demand.

As preavious guys said, there are many many courses from 2019 finished and didnt fly at all. I guess that these guys wont fly at SLX as they have no any rights to get the job. It was always 50/50.

But if you pay for a guarantee, it doesnt mean, that you fly your big hours during some months. Be prepared to accept as many unpaid leaves as they want to give you. Even if you fly 5 times a month, all other dates during this months will or can be unpaid leave. The job guarantee can also take months/years to fly some hours. I am just speaking during corona times, previous years the guys flew maximum as they have been very short of "low paid" pilots.

Remember, there is no sense to do a type rating on any aircraft without job guarantee, as it isn't worth anything with no flight hours on type. So if you have the funds, do it with SLX and job guarantee, but remember, be prepared for unpaid leave weeks/months.
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Old 14th May 2021, 20:42
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Does anyone have information about current state regarding salary etc.?
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Old 14th May 2021, 21:02
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For the Moment its 135 per flying day, all other days out of home but not flying something around 35 EUR and when at home, unpaid leave
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Old 15th May 2021, 10:41
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Not really, it depends on your seniority (BLHs as FO and Capt), so the figures might change from what you wrote.
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Old 15th May 2021, 10:52
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But are they flying?
Because I wish to start the TR + Job Guarantee, but job guarantee with no flights it's like nothing...
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Old 17th May 2021, 17:45
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Corona_FO

Thank you for the information but I do have some followup questions if you don't mind.

You have FO in your nickname so let me assume you have given indications applicable for First Officer fees. But what I wonder is, is this still paid in full during the current crisis?
And also, you mentioned a fee per flying day, is there any payment per flight hour on top of this flight day payment? Or any other "out of home" expense payment? Could you elaborate?

Thanks!

Negan

I, myself, have nothing to do with any typerating costs but thank you for the concern.
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