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Old 11th Feb 2023, 07:12
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Yeah it is what it is but it shouldn't be if of course..
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 19:24
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Originally Posted by Rub3ns
Hello everybody,

I will correct a little bit what is written above as there's a lot of questions and misunderstanding/fake news here...
First of all, I am currently working for them via a recruitement agency. I am not responsible for what you understand or what you want to understand...

About the assessment :
  1. An online ATPL knowledge test (30 minutes, contains 30 questions on ATPL theory).
  2. An online psychometric assessment (approximately 3-3.5 hours).
  3. An interview meaning technical AND classical questions. As for any jobs, they want to know your knowledge about aviation (yes ATPL is a part of aviation) and you. So be prepared = stop spending too much time here and start reading your documents and EASA website. Stop asking what questions or what, just get to work. It's like any other interview for any jobs.
About TR :

As written on their website : 35k or 33.5k if you bring a friend.
It's ground school + SIM (Barcelona for me) + Base Training (Riga for me). It's done with their ATO.
It's straight forward from ground school to end of BT. You have to sign 4 agreements, one for each phase : booking / ground school / SIM / BT.
Duration for our group : 2 months from ground school to end of BT.

Amarob is right, you need to pay for de-icing during BT, it's not included as per agreement which you are to sign if you want to start with them, no suprise.
It is to share with other guys which who you'll be flying during BT.

After TR :

If you are successful during the TR and ONLY AFTER THE END OF THE TR, you may be offered a contract with a crewing agency which makes you work for SL. Meaning that you are not employed by SL itself, it's true and therefore you don't get a salary but what they call : compensation. After that, you need to undergo training for emergency drills (slides, doors...), OCC and the first OPC which are done together.

Then you are ready for your Line Training (LT). Mine is planned so flying in the winter is possible and will happen : you may fly in the winter but as he said it's not 100% sure. Again, it's in the contract that your are not forced to sign. No surprise. Amarob is also right here : as for now, during training (any ground training or LT) = 40 per day. After that, it depends. But you are able to

What is not true :
  1. First of all it's a one year contract from 1st of January to 31st of December so those who say that you have to stay 3 years invented it or it may have been true before, don't know, don't care.
  2. You don't need to pay 10k for whatever reason BUT and as for any other job including a training, there is a repayment clause for employee training costs which is logical. There is a fee of 4k IF you leave within the 4 months after the last OPC/LPC check.
Knowing all of this, feel free to start with them or no.
Paying for de-icing, Jesus Christ.
No base salary at all? 40 a day in training, even in LT? I wouldn't be very surprised if they ask you to pay for accomodation.
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Old 12th Feb 2023, 11:46
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Hey when you say there is a repayment clause for training. Do they make you pay for extra training or recurrence training? Or is it only to be paid if you leave in said 4 month period after the training? Also while on duty is accommodation, crew meals and uniforms paid by the company?
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Old 15th Feb 2023, 16:57
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Hi, I wanted to know what life is like in the 737 fleet?

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Old 15th Feb 2023, 18:36
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Originally Posted by 7Q Off
Hi, I wanted to know what life is like in the 737 fleet?

Thks
miserable they were rated the worst airline to work for by ECA https://www.eurocockpit.be/sites/def...rating_ECA.pdf
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 07:10
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Originally Posted by amjlappi
Hey when you say there is a repayment clause for training. Do they make you pay for extra training or recurrence training? Or is it only to be paid if you leave in said 4 month period after the training? Also while on duty is accommodation, crew meals and uniforms paid by the company?
You pay your type rating, It is 35K Euros. You pay in from your pocket. If you leave within 3 years you need to pay certain amount of penalty which I do not know exact number but it should be between 7 to 10 K. After SLX might offer your service agreement (most likely they will) which you are employed by agencies in either Dubai, Malta or Netherlands. During line training you got paid 50 euro each day which means you can make up to 1500 Euros per month before income tax and social security contributions (make sure there is no guaranteed work so you can be spending half of the month at home while you are only 10 days on duty which will make you only 500 euros). Line training takes approximately 2-3 months if you are lucky. Accommodation is paid when you are on duty, crew meals provided (only on active flying day) and ticket from home to home is provided once a month.

After line check and up to 500 hours from line check you got paid 80 Euros a day which you can make maximum 2400 euro a month before income tax and social security contributions. You may end up earning 0 Euros. Remember no guaranteed fee until you pass 500 hours after line check. So we are talking about absolutely maximum in case all goes well. And you can count 1-1,5 year to reach 500 hours limit in the company.

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Old 17th Feb 2023, 13:20
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I will update what is said here :

Type rating : 35k and not 39k as written. It's on their website.

There is NO bond. Nothing to pay unless you leave within 4 months after the last OPC/LPC and only if they are able to make you fly within the 15 days.

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Old 18th Feb 2023, 07:23
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Originally Posted by Rub3ns
I will update what is said here :

Type rating : 35k€ and not 39k€ as written. It's on their website. Stop inventing...

There is NO bond, stop saying bullshit. Nothing to pay unless you leave within 4 months after the last OPC/LPC and only if they are able to make you fly within the 15 days.

Stop spreading shit here.
You did a great job! Thanks for updating, I correct the type rating fee it is my bad. I wasn't talking about bond but contractual penalty. About that i am not sure, i will investigate. I see you are new in company and you are trying to justify your choice to joining them as cadet, just relax make sure you are polite not need to get aggresive.

But make sure using proper language to the people you dont even know. I would expect more from SLX pilot. Better to look at the shit SLX spreading around.
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Old 18th Feb 2023, 07:53
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Originally Posted by uberfly
You did a great job! Thanks for updating, I correct the type rating fee it is my bad. I wasn't talking about bond but contractual penalty. About that i am not sure, i will investigate. I see you are new in company and you are trying to justify your choice to joining them as cadet, just relax make sure you are polite not need to get aggresive.

But make sure using proper language to the people you dont even know. I would expect more from SLX pilot. Better to look at the shit SLX spreading around.
I don't justify and I don't defend anything, I chose, like everybody can do here and I am not complaining about the choice I made. It is what it is. The bond is in the contract.

You're right about being polite.


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Old 20th Feb 2023, 14:38
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hello everyone, im type Rated 737 FO what do you think the process is for type rated applicants, and are the salaries or "compensation" the same for type rated FOs?
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Old 22nd Feb 2023, 20:03
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Originally Posted by Rub3ns
I will update what is said here :

Type rating : 35k€ and not 39k€ as written. It's on their website.

There is NO bond. Nothing to pay unless you leave within 4 months after the last OPC/LPC and only if they are able to make you fly within the 15 days.
I am just reading official contract. Please see copy paste below in italic. There is penalty in case you leave if you join as scale 1. You claim there is not, but here you are.

- 10,000 EUR for First officers joined at scale 1
if leaving within 1st year from the date of initial
line check;
- 7,000 EUR for First officers joined at scale 1 if
leaving within 2nd year from the date of initial
line check;
- 5,000 EUR for First officers joined at scale 1 if
leaving within 3rd year from the date of initial
line check;
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Old 23rd Feb 2023, 06:39
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Originally Posted by uberfly
I am just reading official contract. Please see copy paste below in italic. There is penalty in case you leave if you join as scale 1. You claim there is not, but here you are.

- 10,000 EUR for First officers joined at scale 1
if leaving within 1st year from the date of initial
line check;
- 7,000 EUR for First officers joined at scale 1 if
leaving within 2nd year from the date of initial
line check;
- 5,000 EUR for First officers joined at scale 1 if
leaving within 3rd year from the date of initial
line check;
When did you sign your contract and with which agency ?

I don't have this in mine then I understand I am not a cadet. I did the TR with their ATO but not my entire training.

​​​​​None of us is having this in our contract.
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Old 23rd Feb 2023, 09:48
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looks like a confair contract i have the same, I did my training at BAA (shit school btw) people even quit before joining smartlynx ha
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Old 24th Feb 2023, 09:38
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Cadet is when you do all your initial training with BAA and Smartlynx ATO. But if you apply for the type rating only, you don't have such things in your contract.
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Old 25th Feb 2023, 06:38
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Smartlynx

Anyone has any information about the working conditions with SmartLynx
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Old 26th Feb 2023, 15:48
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went to their booth in pilotexpo berlin on the 24-25.2.2023 and literally one of their representative pilots told me that they were looking for another job , they were waiting an answer from eurowings or something and that they have flown 0bh since winter and that they came to the expo just to get a chance to talk to the management to schedule them to fly 😂 tells you alot about the company
ladies and gentelmen, these are the words of the slx representative at pilot expo berlin. cant make this up...
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Old 26th Feb 2023, 16:07
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went to their booth in pilotexpo berlin on the 24-25.2.2023 and literally one of their representative pilots told me that they were looking for another job , they were waiting an answer from eurowings or something and that they have flown 0bh since winter and that they came to the expo just to get a chance to talk to the management to schedule them to fly 😂 tells you alot about the company
ladies and gentelmen, these are the words of the slx representative at pilot expo berlin. cant make this up
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Old 28th Mar 2023, 11:09
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Hello guys, any input regarding Miami base for experienced 320 captains?
or next better assigned bases for new Joiners?
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Old 3rd Apr 2023, 07:52
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Originally Posted by MD83FO
Hello guys, any input regarding Miami base for experienced 320 captains?
or next better assigned bases for new Joiners?
Base assignment is kind of a lottery. You can always request your preferred base(s) but likelihood you will get it in my opinion is 50-50. Especially if you are new joiner I think they will assign you to least desired base. This is because they lost almost half of their loyal and long term working pilots after disgraceful contract offer for 2023. Many CPT and FOs left to mostly competitors ACMI. So i believe they would really want to make people already in company happy and give them base they requested so you will be last one to get it. I can also give example from last years, many pilots from Belgium, Netherlands or Germany couldn't get the bases where they live and they were sent other countries while they sent pilots from other countries to those countries where company has bases. Most people did not understand why...

They did few adjustment and so called improvement however not much changed. Comparing to pre-covid you end up still less money at home and also considering inflation in the EU it is even worser.
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Old 14th Apr 2023, 19:45
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Hey guys, simple question. If you could decide between SmartLynx, Avion Express, or any other ACMI, which one would you choose and why?
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