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That will be nearly 3 months later...LOL what a joke. As I said, wish I haven't bothered. That money could have bought the missus something nice, or hundreds of nappies for the child, take the family on a little break etc.
Its about choices, and I have made the wrong one in bothering with this sorry excuse of an airline. And as you said, moving on.
Its about choices, and I have made the wrong one in bothering with this sorry excuse of an airline. And as you said, moving on.
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It is just one week (!) or five working days since the assessment days are over. So I think we should give them some time. In my opinion there is nothing to complain about. For me it was a positive experience, even if I haven’t had an Interview yet. And I still have a positive mind setting.
The EI team expected to meet a certain personality when I was showing up there. They already knew who I am because I answered lots of personal questions. Now, guess what they are doing? They are simply looking for evidence that I behave like they expect me to behave from those questions. That's what it is all about.
They crosscheck that during the group assessment. For example your profile says that you are an active listener. This is important when working in a team environment. Well, great. But in reality you are not listening to others, don't engage with the whole group, overrule others... That’s it, you are out. That’s not what they expected, not what you pretended to be, based on your psychological profile they have. They score us during every exercise. That score has to fit into the whole picture.
One could also have bad luck with the group itself and get drowned in the dynamic behaviour of some people. That is the, or another reason for the panel exercise…
You had the interview? Oh, it was really relaxed… Nice people, a little Smalltalk, they want to learn more about you… Just be yourself….
Did they ask for your weakness for example? Believe me; they already know your weaknesses. At least they have a rough idea of it. Again, does your answer show evidence to their idea of who you are? Yes? Great, so time to go to the Sim.
Here is another place where it all comes together. But they are not only assessing your flying skills. They expect you to be able to handle the acft in a professional manner… But again, what about the personality you showed during the whole assessment? Does it fit in the big picture?
There are so many hidden hurdles to stumble about…
They collect a lot of data during the assessment. The evaluation will take some time. Even if somebody made it in the Sim, that does not necessarily mean that all went right.
But I think they progress those at first to the next stage, who showed the best prospects for a good outcome during the process.
Some will fail; some are only an average fit to their needs. It might also be that others have a better gig with another company. Especially some of the experienced guys will probably have more than one opportunity. This is the time where they will look at those who haven't had the interview yet.
That is just my point of view and I really have to say that I met some good people with a professional attitude in Dub. Most of them, if not all will make their way somehow. At least the assessment day was a good experience, not only about the company itself, but also on what to expect in Ireland.
And yes, I spend money and time in the preparation process. But I did that for me, not especially for EI as it is not the only airline I applied to. It is an investment in my future.
And yes, I spend money in a MCC refresher on a 320. I'm not rated on any type, but I believe it is important to keep my MCC skills sharp. You never know... But again, it was for me and myself and nobody else. But I want to be prepared and show a professional way of working should I need it someday.
The only money I spent especially for the assessment was the journey itself. And this is something I was aware of in advance, even before applying for the job.
But I agree it would be somewhat annoying if they do not give an answer at all about the outcome of the process. The first filter was the online assessment, but thereafter it is getting more personal and it wouldn't fit to their company values if they just leave us with no response. While saying this, I'm confident that we will hear from them.
Just give them time to assess and work with all that data they collected. There are more than 300 personalities to be looked at in a respectful way. And that’s what they do.
So let’s stay tuned and keep each other informed if there is any movement…
The EI team expected to meet a certain personality when I was showing up there. They already knew who I am because I answered lots of personal questions. Now, guess what they are doing? They are simply looking for evidence that I behave like they expect me to behave from those questions. That's what it is all about.
They crosscheck that during the group assessment. For example your profile says that you are an active listener. This is important when working in a team environment. Well, great. But in reality you are not listening to others, don't engage with the whole group, overrule others... That’s it, you are out. That’s not what they expected, not what you pretended to be, based on your psychological profile they have. They score us during every exercise. That score has to fit into the whole picture.
One could also have bad luck with the group itself and get drowned in the dynamic behaviour of some people. That is the, or another reason for the panel exercise…
You had the interview? Oh, it was really relaxed… Nice people, a little Smalltalk, they want to learn more about you… Just be yourself….
Did they ask for your weakness for example? Believe me; they already know your weaknesses. At least they have a rough idea of it. Again, does your answer show evidence to their idea of who you are? Yes? Great, so time to go to the Sim.
Here is another place where it all comes together. But they are not only assessing your flying skills. They expect you to be able to handle the acft in a professional manner… But again, what about the personality you showed during the whole assessment? Does it fit in the big picture?
There are so many hidden hurdles to stumble about…
They collect a lot of data during the assessment. The evaluation will take some time. Even if somebody made it in the Sim, that does not necessarily mean that all went right.
But I think they progress those at first to the next stage, who showed the best prospects for a good outcome during the process.
Some will fail; some are only an average fit to their needs. It might also be that others have a better gig with another company. Especially some of the experienced guys will probably have more than one opportunity. This is the time where they will look at those who haven't had the interview yet.
That is just my point of view and I really have to say that I met some good people with a professional attitude in Dub. Most of them, if not all will make their way somehow. At least the assessment day was a good experience, not only about the company itself, but also on what to expect in Ireland.
And yes, I spend money and time in the preparation process. But I did that for me, not especially for EI as it is not the only airline I applied to. It is an investment in my future.
And yes, I spend money in a MCC refresher on a 320. I'm not rated on any type, but I believe it is important to keep my MCC skills sharp. You never know... But again, it was for me and myself and nobody else. But I want to be prepared and show a professional way of working should I need it someday.
The only money I spent especially for the assessment was the journey itself. And this is something I was aware of in advance, even before applying for the job.
But I agree it would be somewhat annoying if they do not give an answer at all about the outcome of the process. The first filter was the online assessment, but thereafter it is getting more personal and it wouldn't fit to their company values if they just leave us with no response. While saying this, I'm confident that we will hear from them.
Just give them time to assess and work with all that data they collected. There are more than 300 personalities to be looked at in a respectful way. And that’s what they do.
So let’s stay tuned and keep each other informed if there is any movement…
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So according to some people it takes them too long and that makes EI a bad company straight away?
If your really that short minded, you don’t belong in aviation. Cause you will need a lot of patience is this career my friend.
As said above interviews have only finished like 5 days ago, and they saw around 300 people, do you really think that you’ll get a call or email straight after the first day there done? You should know better.
There professional people with flying jobs next to there recruitment job too so give them a bit of time before you start writing it’s a stupid company.
I have invested money and time as well, and it was all worth it. Is it not for EI if I do t make it thru this stage it is a good experience and I’ll use that experience for a next assessment.
If your really that short minded, you don’t belong in aviation. Cause you will need a lot of patience is this career my friend.
As said above interviews have only finished like 5 days ago, and they saw around 300 people, do you really think that you’ll get a call or email straight after the first day there done? You should know better.
There professional people with flying jobs next to there recruitment job too so give them a bit of time before you start writing it’s a stupid company.
I have invested money and time as well, and it was all worth it. Is it not for EI if I do t make it thru this stage it is a good experience and I’ll use that experience for a next assessment.
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You knew what the competition was like before you purchased the tickets to come for the interview, didn't you? Having you whine about the expenses is just childish. The process isn't even over yet and you're already are making a scene.. I was there too, I also had my expenses and had to take time off to attend.. but they owe me nothing, I can take a hint and move on.
You knew what the competition was like before you purchased the tickets to come for the interview, didn't you? Having you whine about the expenses is just childish. The process isn't even over yet and you're already are making a scene.. I was there too, I also had my expenses and had to take time off to attend.. but they owe me nothing, I can take a hint and move on.
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Wanna have this mate?
Whine?LOL I am expressing a valid point about how the process is anything but transparent and at how they could be direct and put people out of their misery. You need to
, as I have mentioned several times that they do owe us nothing. Read all the comments before commenting.
I have also mentioned that It was my choice in the end, and that I could've done better things with it. Don't like what I say? well that's your problem really, not losing my sleep over you buddy.
In regards to the recruitment itself, don't be naive. I was told when I was there that from the 100 places, 33 were already taken by ex monarch, they were looking for 70 more. They had enough candidates who met the criteria at that point too, heard on good authority. If you didn't get called, they could keep you on a list as it has been mentioned, to keep their options open, Or they can send you a rejection. It does change all the time as there is always hope, there is nothing wrong in me wanting to make a decision that affects my livelihood, and guess what, nothing you say can change that. It would be more honest to be straight forward to those who gave their all, and THAT is my point. Take the hint...as you said!
Whine?LOL I am expressing a valid point about how the process is anything but transparent and at how they could be direct and put people out of their misery. You need to
, as I have mentioned several times that they do owe us nothing. Read all the comments before commenting. I have also mentioned that It was my choice in the end, and that I could've done better things with it. Don't like what I say? well that's your problem really, not losing my sleep over you buddy.
In regards to the recruitment itself, don't be naive. I was told when I was there that from the 100 places, 33 were already taken by ex monarch, they were looking for 70 more. They had enough candidates who met the criteria at that point too, heard on good authority. If you didn't get called, they could keep you on a list as it has been mentioned, to keep their options open, Or they can send you a rejection. It does change all the time as there is always hope, there is nothing wrong in me wanting to make a decision that affects my livelihood, and guess what, nothing you say can change that. It would be more honest to be straight forward to those who gave their all, and THAT is my point. Take the hint...as you said!
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wow, such emotions, such drama! How exactly do you propose they can make the process more transparent? Do you expect them to publish their exact strategies and numbers whenever they hire someone? And you're calling me naive? You were told that you will find out in the next two to three weeks, what more do you want?
I don't care that there are 30 or whatever amount of monarch guys - they were very open from the very beginning saying that they are interested in a mix of experienced TR guys and 0 hour candidates - again, what more transparency could you wish for?
They booked 120 sim places in Simtech for the assessment, if you haven't been called now, you are not in the top 120.. if out of those 120 there will be a lot of rubbish candidates, they will block-book the next slots.. either way sooner or later you'll know!
Impatience is not a good virtue for a pilot
I don't care that there are 30 or whatever amount of monarch guys - they were very open from the very beginning saying that they are interested in a mix of experienced TR guys and 0 hour candidates - again, what more transparency could you wish for?
They booked 120 sim places in Simtech for the assessment, if you haven't been called now, you are not in the top 120.. if out of those 120 there will be a lot of rubbish candidates, they will block-book the next slots.. either way sooner or later you'll know!
Impatience is not a good virtue for a pilot
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Virtues? Oh please Lord "virtuoso", enlighten us thy mortals with your wisdom? I shall listen to every word and cherish this moment, the rapture, mesmerise us Sir perfect pilot.
Good grief, I do need patience to deal with people like you. I will repeat as I am under the assumption you have difficulties in grasping a simple concept, and since you're attacked me (foolish really), I shall reply.
THIS, means different things to different people, I have a family to feed and like many others, have to make tough decisions. Waiting for over a month for a response is not how it is supposed to be done, or what it is expected from a reputable brand such as EL, fair? Also, is not what I was told it would happen, so that gives me the right to feel a little disapointed. Can I have a moan? absolutely. Do they care? NO. Should you care?NO. DO I care about what you think? oh hell no.
Is that clear?
Emotions? poor you....poor child.
Good grief, I do need patience to deal with people like you. I will repeat as I am under the assumption you have difficulties in grasping a simple concept, and since you're attacked me (foolish really), I shall reply.
THIS, means different things to different people, I have a family to feed and like many others, have to make tough decisions. Waiting for over a month for a response is not how it is supposed to be done, or what it is expected from a reputable brand such as EL, fair? Also, is not what I was told it would happen, so that gives me the right to feel a little disapointed. Can I have a moan? absolutely. Do they care? NO. Should you care?NO. DO I care about what you think? oh hell no.
Is that clear?
Emotions? poor you....poor child.
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Anunaki, you yourself made Aerlingus recruitment team aware of this thread due to some leaked questions. Do you think, if the recruitment team still follows this discussion, you come across as a well balanced and mentally stable individual who is worth hiring? Think about it. It is very easy to figure out who you are, this is a public discussion and you are bashing the airline you want to work for before you even get a response. To make things worse, you completely loose your plot over a simple confrontation.. It would appear to me, that you can't really think two steps ahead
I'm really sorry for your family and that they have to put their trust a person who puts all his eggs in one basket.. and then drives them over with a bulldozer
I'm really sorry for your family and that they have to put their trust a person who puts all his eggs in one basket.. and then drives them over with a bulldozer
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HAHAHAHA Lord perfect pilot, you're quite funny. And I knew your return to the conversation had something to deal with that previous chats, rather pathetic. You assume a lot,now you're a psychiatrist and see emotion where there isn't. Loose my plot? poor child....
I am out of the race, you did not bother to read did you? my decision was made.
Also, did you read my last message, why are you still here? off...
Now we can all go back to the conversation to where it was before you showed up.
I am out of the race, you did not bother to read did you? my decision was made.
Also, did you read my last message, why are you still here?
off...Now we can all go back to the conversation to where it was before you showed up.
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can you do us all a favor and remember your decision next year? You didn't seem too happy last year as well but apparently forgot about it. Save yourself the pain and cost next time
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Thank you for your wisdom Lord perfect pilot, now get lost as you are waiting for the simulator aren't you? I am not, tough luck. Now be quiet.
We can all move on now. What were we saying again?
We can all move on now. What were we saying again?
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you are very right, I am still hoping to get a call, that's why I follow this thread to see how others are doing. If you have given up, I don't understand your motivation to be here an make an absolute donkey out of yourself.
Thanks for referring to me as a perfect pilot. I can assure you though, that I am not - no one is. However I do have the brains not to spit in my own soup.
In case you are not getting in, I am Irish, AerLingus is my national airline and the ultimate dream. It's my one chance to work close to home and my loved ones. I do not take it kindly if some patsy decides to trash-talk for no good reason something that through the years mine and my country-men taxpayers/ticket buyer's money helped to build and develop. If you like to give out a rant, why don't target something closer to your own home, plenty of candidate airlines there, no?
Thanks for referring to me as a perfect pilot. I can assure you though, that I am not - no one is. However I do have the brains not to spit in my own soup.
In case you are not getting in, I am Irish, AerLingus is my national airline and the ultimate dream. It's my one chance to work close to home and my loved ones. I do not take it kindly if some patsy decides to trash-talk for no good reason something that through the years mine and my country-men taxpayers/ticket buyer's money helped to build and develop. If you like to give out a rant, why don't target something closer to your own home, plenty of candidate airlines there, no?
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First of all, you attacked me, I was having a perfect conversation with others, so there is a donkey for sure and he's Irish.
In regards to the rest, play me the world smallest violin.....Would you a like a medal for your cheesy nationalism?
Now go away please as I couldn't care less.
For the FOURTH TIME, moving on!
In regards to the rest, play me the world smallest violin.....Would you a like a medal for your cheesy nationalism?
Now go away please as I couldn't care less.
For the FOURTH TIME, moving on!
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have a look of your post history, you don't exactly have a good record in having "perfect conversations".. and no, you did not have one there too, you literally called AerLingus a sorry excuse for an airline! They have dozens if not hundreds of respected industry awards and recognitions that indicate otherwise.. About 4000 pilots applied, that's how desired the company is. No need to be a sore loser if you didn't make it through
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LOL you mean, You didn't make it! I did the sim and am awaiting response, but had to choose another job, YOU didn't get that far and chose to attack me, I am simply responding as you rightly implied, I do not take from anyone.
Have told you already, you don't read because you're the emotional here. Hahah three steps ahead mate
120 isn't that right? I am terribly sorry, try again next year and tell them about your tax payer money etc...Good Braveheart speech tho, very cute!
For the FIFTH TIME, Moving on!
from anyone. Have told you already, you don't read because you're the emotional here. Hahah three steps ahead mate
120 isn't that right? I am terribly sorry, try again next year and tell them about your tax payer money etc...Good Braveheart speech tho, very cute!
For the FIFTH TIME, Moving on!
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you never specifically said that you got to the sim. In one of your comments you did mention getting to the "final", but let's be honest, that can be open to the interpretation... if you actually got to the sim your actions are even more puzzling.. were you not told that for the training they will only take in 4 successful candidates every week? Like if they actually tell you that you have been successful, it can be August or September before you do your TR.. if the money is so tight, just take up a job that you can quit in the event if you get through. That's what I do anyway, the recruitment process is well documented and it is well known that it takes an awful lot of time. Mind boggles how someone can get this far and put it all down the drain simply out of pure impatience and ego..
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AMS says "you pay peanuts you get monkeys" and he wasn't attacked, VRB0kts called them "Shambolic", other contributors have weigh in with derogatory comments, yet, you felt that I was an easy target and now can't hold your argument.
On page 7, Shamrock said he wouldn't share details, he was respected whilst you threw your toys out of the pram when I said I wouldn't too.
I give as good as I get, deep look at yourselves before judging me. You want to attack me for being disappointed and expressing my views? show some consistency and answer to the other 4 or 5 who shared that opinion, don't be hypocritical.
For the SIXTH TIME, let's move on to something productive please.
On page 7, Shamrock said he wouldn't share details, he was respected whilst you threw your toys out of the pram when I said I wouldn't too.
I give as good as I get, deep look at yourselves before judging me. You want to attack me for being disappointed and expressing my views? show some consistency and answer to the other 4 or 5 who shared that opinion, don't be hypocritical.
For the SIXTH TIME, let's move on to something productive please.
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there's a difference whether you criticize the process (which let's be honest, probably could do with some improvements) and resorting to downright airline bashing.
you can continue your counter as long as you want, that's not how arguments work
as a frequent flyer on AerLingus, it honestly scares me that someone as short tempered as you got as far as sim...
you can continue your counter as long as you want, that's not how arguments work
as a frequent flyer on AerLingus, it honestly scares me that someone as short tempered as you got as far as sim...
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Yes, I got the call after that comment. The day itself wasn't too bad but they did not keep their word. I didn't put my eggs in one basket, I just have issues with being messed around, but hey, this is aviation. Again, nothing of your concern.
I am not at fault of your performance or whatever happened to your application, so if you're pissed at how people talk about your dear Airline, address all of them and not just me. You cannot erase our experiences just because your perception of them is of pure perfection. This is a two way process and I have realised that Is not the right fit, and that is fine to get to that conclusion. Some of you think I am not the right fit for them anyway, yet I went all the way. But who cares?
Also, you don't get to judge anyone here when you haven't walked a mile in their shoes, you sound like a 20 something naive kid but I won't judge you either. God forbid you get to my position, I don't wish that to a worse enemy.
You don't know me in person, I am true to my convictions and will speak my mind whoever controversial it may sound, it is my democratic right. I have abide by their rules throughout the process, prepared and performed to the best of my abilities. Many who went all the way knew the answers, and you're trying to school me on professionalism and integrity? Are you that naive to think that I talk like this once there, or in any working environment?
I'm bored of you now, give some of that heat to others and you can't faze me.
I am not at fault of your performance or whatever happened to your application, so if you're pissed at how people talk about your dear Airline, address all of them and not just me. You cannot erase our experiences just because your perception of them is of pure perfection. This is a two way process and I have realised that Is not the right fit, and that is fine to get to that conclusion. Some of you think I am not the right fit for them anyway, yet I went all the way. But who cares?
Also, you don't get to judge anyone here when you haven't walked a mile in their shoes, you sound like a 20 something naive kid but I won't judge you either. God forbid you get to my position, I don't wish that to a worse enemy.
You don't know me in person, I am true to my convictions and will speak my mind whoever controversial it may sound, it is my democratic right. I have abide by their rules throughout the process, prepared and performed to the best of my abilities. Many who went all the way knew the answers, and you're trying to school me on professionalism and integrity? Are you that naive to think that I talk like this once there, or in any working environment?
I'm bored of you now, give some of that heat to others and you can't faze me.
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can you, for the sake of the clarity, please tell us what did they promise you and failed to deliver? At least that's one way to make this conversation more productive (to which I agree, we should probably try to get back to)
Again, I picked on you because of your choice of words.. I have no problem if people criticize process, but please don't bash the whole organization. You're right, I don't know you, but the same way I can say that this process is not representing the whole organization in it's fullest, therefore one shouldn't carry away with the insults to the whole organization
Again, I picked on you because of your choice of words.. I have no problem if people criticize process, but please don't bash the whole organization. You're right, I don't know you, but the same way I can say that this process is not representing the whole organization in it's fullest, therefore one shouldn't carry away with the insults to the whole organization
