Ryanair current information cadet and FO work condition.
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Ryanair current information cadet and FO work condition.
Hello all,
I would like to start a topic about how it is really to work for Ryanair, rules, regulations, contracts, taxes, insurances etc.
Lets shear what we now for those trying to join Ryanair.
My questions
1. Do they care if you are insured in your country? Do they neet a proof?
2. How does it look like after TR training - base selection, do You have a choice or it is GO THERE.
3. How you can change a base?
4. Do you pay taxes only in Ireland or in Your country too? What tax office options?
5. Company in Ireland what you can deduct from taxes, can you deduct VAT from a car?
6. Is the SBH FO and SFO sre the same?
7. How You become a SFO, any hours req?
8. Finally how it is to work in Ryanair and how it is compared to Wizz?
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I would like to start a topic about how it is really to work for Ryanair, rules, regulations, contracts, taxes, insurances etc.
Lets shear what we now for those trying to join Ryanair.
My questions
1. Do they care if you are insured in your country? Do they neet a proof?
2. How does it look like after TR training - base selection, do You have a choice or it is GO THERE.
3. How you can change a base?
4. Do you pay taxes only in Ireland or in Your country too? What tax office options?
5. Company in Ireland what you can deduct from taxes, can you deduct VAT from a car?
6. Is the SBH FO and SFO sre the same?
7. How You become a SFO, any hours req?
8. Finally how it is to work in Ryanair and how it is compared to Wizz?
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Hi,
I did the interview recently, got my base. So I can give some insight(not about working conditions yet).
1.I think they have to comply with current EU regulations. At least if you go on a direct contract with RYR as I did. Tired of dealing with some leasing agencies.
You will pay social contributions in your "homebase" country.
2.Got my requested base. DEC. Don't know if they offer the same to cadets or FO.
3.Don't know. I guess by asking to change and entering a waiting list till a position becomes available. As everywhere.
4.Seems on this new "direct contract" thing with Ryanair you pay taxes in Ireland and social contributions at your home base.
5.I don't think so. In which country can you deduct VAT from a car??
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8. I considered Wizz for a long time last year(did stall the DEC interview month by month), but honestly, low pay and eastern European bases made it not interesting for me.
IF you are Eastern European it might be a good choice to go there, be based in your home country.
Ryanair was the better choice for me, got my base that is perfect to be with my family every day.
Depends really from where you are from and what you get at the interview/contract.
From what I hear the RYR(I can confirm that) is much more straight forward then the Wizz Interview. No strange HR guys and no "pilot haters" at the tech quiz. Was most likely the nicest interview I ever had.
I did the interview recently, got my base. So I can give some insight(not about working conditions yet).
1.I think they have to comply with current EU regulations. At least if you go on a direct contract with RYR as I did. Tired of dealing with some leasing agencies.
You will pay social contributions in your "homebase" country.
2.Got my requested base. DEC. Don't know if they offer the same to cadets or FO.
3.Don't know. I guess by asking to change and entering a waiting list till a position becomes available. As everywhere.
4.Seems on this new "direct contract" thing with Ryanair you pay taxes in Ireland and social contributions at your home base.
5.I don't think so. In which country can you deduct VAT from a car??
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8. I considered Wizz for a long time last year(did stall the DEC interview month by month), but honestly, low pay and eastern European bases made it not interesting for me.
IF you are Eastern European it might be a good choice to go there, be based in your home country.
Ryanair was the better choice for me, got my base that is perfect to be with my family every day.
Depends really from where you are from and what you get at the interview/contract.
From what I hear the RYR(I can confirm that) is much more straight forward then the Wizz Interview. No strange HR guys and no "pilot haters" at the tech quiz. Was most likely the nicest interview I ever had.
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Thank You for information, DEC is different story. FO are on contract...
Is there anyone that can estimate take home pay for FO on storm contract after TR and line training?
Is there anyone that can estimate take home pay for FO on storm contract after TR and line training?
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Sorry to hear that. Did not know that FO are contract only.
I guess then you have to set up an Irish limited company, employ yourself and rent yourself out to RYR. At least that is the way that some of my irish and uk collegues do at my current outfit.
I guess then you have to set up an Irish limited company, employ yourself and rent yourself out to RYR. At least that is the way that some of my irish and uk collegues do at my current outfit.
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That is correct Sir, i would like some Cadet-FO write a comment about that company especially tax issues. Do they pay tax in Ireland or in home country or both? And finally what is take home pay for FO at the beginning.
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I believe cadets on a Storm Contract earn around 70euros per scheduled block hour, so based on a conservative 750hours a year, working 11 months, as you'll take a month off in the winter unpaid, expect to take home around 4000euros a month. That figure is based on 85% retention as you're TR will be tax deductible.
Once your expenses run out however, expect to be retaining much much less.
Once your expenses run out however, expect to be retaining much much less.
Some rough ideas from chatting to new cadets (not in the order of your points I'm afraid)
1. Expect around 5 months from joining to first pay check.
2. You will get almost no choice over your initial base unless you are keen to live in one of the less popular bases - Poland, Greece, S Italy mainly. Base transfers happen mainly in February and September (start and end of the summer season) and are somewhat of a lottery. The wait depends on how big the base you want to move to is and how popular it is.
3. You will be offered a contract with Storm, and the rates of pay are pretty rubbish. The hourly rate is lower than was offered when I started nearly 5 years ago - expect around €35/hr during line training and maybe €50/hr once released.
4. Hours flown are variable. Make sure you save money during good months to even things out and account for your month off. 700-750 hours/year is a reasonable guess to do your figures on. Money for hours more than that should be considered a bonus.
5. Once you get your contract you will see the pay rates. The steps were previously at 500 and 1500 hours in type. There is no SFO as such but you pick up a 3rd stripe 12 months after your second line check.
6. Tax and social insurance is an unholy mess. In the UK, you now pay it all in the UK. You will need a certificate showing where you pay your social taxes - your accountants will advise you on this. When I was based on the continent, I paid social insurance where I was based and tax in Ireland.
7. I have enjoyed my time at Ryanair in terms of the flying, my colleagues and the friends I've made. It can allow you to work close to your home wherever you are in Europe. However, bases may open, close, expand or contract at the company's whim depending on industrial relations and commercial considerations so it doesn't pay to get too settled if you are at a small base.
8. Ryanair works best for Captains on Ryanair contracts with a family home close to their assigned base. If you are in the right hand seat, command upgrade will involve at last a year sent to the back and beyond, probably supporting two households if you are married or in a relationship on a reduced salary and can be very difficult. Have an exit plan if that isn't for you. Remember how you feel now, probably single, looking for your first job is not how it's always going to be.
Best of luck.
1. Expect around 5 months from joining to first pay check.
2. You will get almost no choice over your initial base unless you are keen to live in one of the less popular bases - Poland, Greece, S Italy mainly. Base transfers happen mainly in February and September (start and end of the summer season) and are somewhat of a lottery. The wait depends on how big the base you want to move to is and how popular it is.
3. You will be offered a contract with Storm, and the rates of pay are pretty rubbish. The hourly rate is lower than was offered when I started nearly 5 years ago - expect around €35/hr during line training and maybe €50/hr once released.
4. Hours flown are variable. Make sure you save money during good months to even things out and account for your month off. 700-750 hours/year is a reasonable guess to do your figures on. Money for hours more than that should be considered a bonus.
5. Once you get your contract you will see the pay rates. The steps were previously at 500 and 1500 hours in type. There is no SFO as such but you pick up a 3rd stripe 12 months after your second line check.
6. Tax and social insurance is an unholy mess. In the UK, you now pay it all in the UK. You will need a certificate showing where you pay your social taxes - your accountants will advise you on this. When I was based on the continent, I paid social insurance where I was based and tax in Ireland.
7. I have enjoyed my time at Ryanair in terms of the flying, my colleagues and the friends I've made. It can allow you to work close to your home wherever you are in Europe. However, bases may open, close, expand or contract at the company's whim depending on industrial relations and commercial considerations so it doesn't pay to get too settled if you are at a small base.
8. Ryanair works best for Captains on Ryanair contracts with a family home close to their assigned base. If you are in the right hand seat, command upgrade will involve at last a year sent to the back and beyond, probably supporting two households if you are married or in a relationship on a reduced salary and can be very difficult. Have an exit plan if that isn't for you. Remember how you feel now, probably single, looking for your first job is not how it's always going to be.
Best of luck.
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1. Expect around 5 months from joining to first pay check.
Thanks for reply.
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i'm doing my type rating in AMS with ryanair, i was very lucky because i received my call just 1 week after finish my MCC.
Ryanair is the only airline that offer a 5 year contract trough McGinley and the salary is very nice for a guy that has just finished the ATPL training.
Remember that ryanair is the only one that can offer you a job with the lowest requirements possible.
i know that live 5 months without salary is difficult and you have to encounter a lot of expenses after get your job (criminal certificate, post, uniform, ID). i know that is very difficult, but you paid an ATPL (in my case, my parents paid), is the only occasion to have start a career in aviation, flying a 737 with 150 hours of cessna.
now the limitations for pilots changed and you can fly 1000 hrs for calendar year, and with ryanair you're very close to the limit.
Ryanair is the only airline that offer a 5 year contract trough McGinley and the salary is very nice for a guy that has just finished the ATPL training.
Remember that ryanair is the only one that can offer you a job with the lowest requirements possible.
i know that live 5 months without salary is difficult and you have to encounter a lot of expenses after get your job (criminal certificate, post, uniform, ID). i know that is very difficult, but you paid an ATPL (in my case, my parents paid), is the only occasion to have start a career in aviation, flying a 737 with 150 hours of cessna.
now the limitations for pilots changed and you can fly 1000 hrs for calendar year, and with ryanair you're very close to the limit.
I would suggest checking that one before making infringement. It's still 900 in a calendar year. 1000 is for 12 consecutive months. This makes quite significant difference.
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On the successful completion of an interview with Ryanair , do they offer any help in terms of documents to support a loan for the type rating. As we all know after our flight training most of us are broke and so it is difficult to go back to the same bank you already owe your flight training cost to and ask for a further loan for the type. Any information would be gratefully received.
The time to train is around 3 months from start of induction to base training. Line training can be a lottery depending on the time of the year. In winter, it may be disjointed and at different bases to keep you current due to a shortage of trainers with hours available and leave. In the summer however, you are likely to zip through flying 90 hours a month.
You do not get paid until safety pilot release, which is a minimum of 12 sectors I believe. Note minimum. I know of at least 2 cases over Christmas where it took over a month to get safety pilot released.
IndiaNovember - whilst Ryanair will give you a roster on completion of line training they have not given you a job. The guaranteed hours clause (if your contract has one) is not weighted in your favour at all. There have been recent winters where in overcrewed bases FOs have flown 20-30 hours a month all winter. Always be aware where you stand.
And finally, join a union and the RPG.
You do not get paid until safety pilot release, which is a minimum of 12 sectors I believe. Note minimum. I know of at least 2 cases over Christmas where it took over a month to get safety pilot released.
IndiaNovember - whilst Ryanair will give you a roster on completion of line training they have not given you a job. The guaranteed hours clause (if your contract has one) is not weighted in your favour at all. There have been recent winters where in overcrewed bases FOs have flown 20-30 hours a month all winter. Always be aware where you stand.
And finally, join a union and the RPG.
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my mistake about flight limitations, 1000 hrs in 12 consecutive calendar months, sorry for the mistake.
Ok guys you will make 30 hours in december but you will make more than 100 hours during summer, it's normal.
Ok guys you will make 30 hours in december but you will make more than 100 hours during summer, it's normal.
6 months at 90h per month plus 5 at say 50 = €40k gross across the year. What if your first year starts in the winter and you are getting around €2000 gross per month to pay all those debts?
Listen to people who have lived through it trying to give you straight info before trying to tell me what's "normal" - there's a good fellow.
Listen to people who have lived through it trying to give you straight info before trying to tell me what's "normal" - there's a good fellow.
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better than staying home with no salary and renew every years your licence, in ryanair the career is very fast, other options? go into a pay to fly on a320 and hope that easyjet will call you.
everyone wants a job.......everyone want the best job paid 10000€ x month....after cessna experience (150 hours)...... come on......
everyone wants a job.......everyone want the best job paid 10000€ x month....after cessna experience (150 hours)...... come on......
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Ok Thanks for your info so what is take home some say is 2000 some that 4000 it is 100% different, what is current SBH on storm contract? What is average yearly hours for FO i know it is base dependant but is it 700 or 800 or 900 ?
Fullclimb after all dedustion what does it mean much much less is it 2000 or 3500?
Fullclimb after all dedustion what does it mean much much less is it 2000 or 3500?
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On the successful completion of an interview with Ryanair , do they offer any help in terms of documents to support a loan for the type rating. As we all know after our flight training most of us are broke and so it is difficult to go back to the same bank you already owe your flight training cost to and ask for a further loan for the type. Any information would be gratefully received.
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when you pass the interview with ryanair the first agency that will release a contract is mcginley (you can ask to have the contract asap), then the CAE will send you a contract for the training (with the cost of the type rating etc..) but at the end nobody will help you for payment or something like this, CAE wants the payment at least 4 weeks before starting the course, if you are not able to respect this date you can ask CAE to find another solution( i don`t know what will happen at this time) for the payment.
At the end nobody help me in terms of payment or something. i asked a lot of banks about this (with my contract and everything) but since you don`t have a salary..... will not give you money.
Jajckets - expect 700-750 hours per year and do all your sums on that basis. I don't know what the current hourly payments and increments are - perhaps ask IndiaNovember.
Take home I can't help with really as it depends very much on where you get based, social insurance and your accountant.
Take home I can't help with really as it depends very much on where you get based, social insurance and your accountant.
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Thanks what does it mean accountsnt dependant, i mean i can figure it out but shouldnt that be a standard procedure for them as we are all the same same income source of sallary same training and costs... what do You suggest about accountant do you have sobebody to recommend, because i heard that on storm i wil have only 2 accountant options and thats it.
INDIA NOVEMBER do You know current SBH and any additions?
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INDIA NOVEMBER do You know current SBH and any additions?
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