It IS possible.
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It IS possible.
Hey everyone,
I've been looking at the posts in here for quite some time now, never felt the need to share too much. I just wanted to say, that there's a lot of negativity in here. It wasn't without big doubts when I entered the job market a few months ago. Reading through the posts made me question the career path I've chosen. It seemed nearly impossible to get any job with a fresh CPL and no experience. However, no more than a month ago I've managed to land a FO position with a national, European carrier. TT 250h. Brand new, 50 ton jet, a decent salary, but most importantly, no P2F and a reasonable bond.
I'm not saying that it's easy, I guess I was just lucky and at the right place/right time. I understand the struggle some of you have and the market isn't fair for everyone. BUT there are other opportunities than Wizz/Easyjet/Ryanair extremly costly MPL's and some P2F's. Just don't lose your motivation and believe people in here, who say it's impossible.
Best of luck to everyone.
I've been looking at the posts in here for quite some time now, never felt the need to share too much. I just wanted to say, that there's a lot of negativity in here. It wasn't without big doubts when I entered the job market a few months ago. Reading through the posts made me question the career path I've chosen. It seemed nearly impossible to get any job with a fresh CPL and no experience. However, no more than a month ago I've managed to land a FO position with a national, European carrier. TT 250h. Brand new, 50 ton jet, a decent salary, but most importantly, no P2F and a reasonable bond.
I'm not saying that it's easy, I guess I was just lucky and at the right place/right time. I understand the struggle some of you have and the market isn't fair for everyone. BUT there are other opportunities than Wizz/Easyjet/Ryanair extremly costly MPL's and some P2F's. Just don't lose your motivation and believe people in here, who say it's impossible.
Best of luck to everyone.
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to help everyone with positivity, please help by giving info who with, how so people can try different thinks and not moan.
You are correct too much negativity, but faced with no hope and options sadly its inevitable to become negative.
congrats on your job and best of luck
You are correct too much negativity, but faced with no hope and options sadly its inevitable to become negative.
congrats on your job and best of luck
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It really is a tough world out there with a big fence between US and THEM. Those in the game and those struggling to cross over. I am ex-military, 4000TT, CPL (fATPL) and it took me over 2 years to get a job as my experience counted for nothing in the eyes of HR Depts. Eventually due to some networking, a bit of cheek and a lot of luck I managed to secure an interview and am now flying 757's in the ME. All the FO's in my current company have a similar story where networking and a little bit of luck has played it's part in them securing a contract.
There's not much advice to give but lansen is doing the right thing by keeping flying, building those hours and trying not to give up. There comes a time though when enough is enough and I was already considering a new career in teaching and had given it another 2 years before saying goodbye to the commercial aviation market.
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Quals: 4000TT (2500 fighters, IRE, instructor) fATPL
Job: 757s Cargo, ME
Good luck
There's not much advice to give but lansen is doing the right thing by keeping flying, building those hours and trying not to give up. There comes a time though when enough is enough and I was already considering a new career in teaching and had given it another 2 years before saying goodbye to the commercial aviation market.
FYI:
Quals: 4000TT (2500 fighters, IRE, instructor) fATPL
Job: 757s Cargo, ME
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Lansen does the wrong thing, by Paying to fly. Ruining our job market. Not the best pilots get the RHS but the ones with biggest wallet and taking away chances for REAL pilots.
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I wont be CC for the rest of my life. I refuse to ruin the market for myself and my colleagues. In some cases you need to be selfish yes, but this is from the lowest level. High Marks or not. No one cares. You take away chances for boys and girls who are also very good, but not having the funds. They are chanceless, because of guys like you.
And I WILL get my chance. And if it did not work, then so be it. But I dont let me get screwed over by an employer and work as a slave. Even worse then a slave. Because slaves did not have to pay to work.
I am very patient, and my time will come. Guys in the company I work for were also patient for like 3-5 years, but they got their job in the cockpit. Cabin Crew, Ramp Agents etc. I am finished since Sept. 2013. So 2 years ain't that bad yet. But still. I have a mission, and I will NOT give up.
And I WILL get my chance. And if it did not work, then so be it. But I dont let me get screwed over by an employer and work as a slave. Even worse then a slave. Because slaves did not have to pay to work.
I am very patient, and my time will come. Guys in the company I work for were also patient for like 3-5 years, but they got their job in the cockpit. Cabin Crew, Ramp Agents etc. I am finished since Sept. 2013. So 2 years ain't that bad yet. But still. I have a mission, and I will NOT give up.
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It IS possible.
P40:
Apologies but you cannot get aggressive on people that have the funds and get annoyed if you don't - it's life. We all face that - some get chances where others don't.
They ain't ruining it for others etx - they are all trying to do what we all would given the chance.... Sadly the industry is what it is..... You cannot ruin it anymore.....
Work hard to get your chance and do what you need to get your chance....
best of luck
Apologies but you cannot get aggressive on people that have the funds and get annoyed if you don't - it's life. We all face that - some get chances where others don't.
They ain't ruining it for others etx - they are all trying to do what we all would given the chance.... Sadly the industry is what it is..... You cannot ruin it anymore.....
Work hard to get your chance and do what you need to get your chance....
best of luck
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Well P40, have fun in the cabin for the rest of your life.
Fyi, I had well above average grades in both my integrated program, as in my type rating.
Fyi, I had well above average grades in both my integrated program, as in my type rating.
I know which one I'd rather sit next to.
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Frenchwannabe hits the nail: going on with private life!!! So important and many people ignore that. Wait untill they are in their cockpit, than they will now what we are talking about.
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@FrenchyJealousy
And here we go again. Accusing all people who go for p2f are sponsored by their parents or are overall just spoiled brats.
I hope you guys rot in the cabin. Sorry to say, but accusing people who take the chance, rather then waiting for a miracle, of destroying the the business is just stupid. You would need everybody to stop p2f. And I am sincerely not going to bet the next 3-4 years of my life on that.
And here we go again. Accusing all people who go for p2f are sponsored by their parents or are overall just spoiled brats.
I hope you guys rot in the cabin. Sorry to say, but accusing people who take the chance, rather then waiting for a miracle, of destroying the the business is just stupid. You would need everybody to stop p2f. And I am sincerely not going to bet the next 3-4 years of my life on that.
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In no way you have any respect for your colleague pilots as well your colleagues in the cabin.
Nice to know how you think about us. Very professional. . What an attitude. This shows enough about you. That will be noticed soon enough as well in the cockpit by the guy left of you and the company.
Nice to know how you think about us. Very professional.
. What an attitude. This shows enough about you. That will be noticed soon enough as well in the cockpit by the guy left of you and the company.
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@FrenchyJealousy
And here we go again. Accusing all people who go for p2f are sponsored by their parents or are overall just spoiled brats.
I hope you guys rot in the cabin. Sorry to say, but accusing people who take the chance, rather then waiting for a miracle, of destroying the the business is just stupid. You would need everybody to stop p2f. And I am sincerely not going to bet the next 3-4 years of my life on that.
And here we go again. Accusing all people who go for p2f are sponsored by their parents or are overall just spoiled brats.
I hope you guys rot in the cabin. Sorry to say, but accusing people who take the chance, rather then waiting for a miracle, of destroying the the business is just stupid. You would need everybody to stop p2f. And I am sincerely not going to bet the next 3-4 years of my life on that.
And this my fellow aviators is the cancer in our profession. Guys like lansen destroy commercial aviation. The ''I want it right now'' mentality. No respect for people who do it differently and no patience and discipline to work your way up. P2F is also a gamble, a 40000 euro ( or even more ) gamble.
You go take your ''chance'' lansen, let's hope you don't take the ''chance'' when you are on your crosswind limit with 180 people in the back. You're probably too lazy to do a go around and fill in the paperwork afterwards so you take the ''chance'' instead.
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You go take your ''chance'' lansen, let's hope you don't take the ''chance'' when you are on your crosswind limit with 180 people in the back. You're probably too lazy to do a go around and fill in the paperwork afterwards so you take the ''chance'' instead.
We all have our own way of doing things.