Wizz Air MPL - CTC
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The going rate for CTC Airbus MPLs seems to be around £109,000 (easyJet, Virgin, Qatar) so I'd be surprised if this one is any cheaper.
I would also be surprised if there is any kind of sponsorship element on the part of the airline. Who knows though? Wizz Air are joining CTC at the Professional Flight Training Expo at Heathrow this Saturday if anybody feels the need to go and try and glean some more info.
I would also be surprised if there is any kind of sponsorship element on the part of the airline. Who knows though? Wizz Air are joining CTC at the Professional Flight Training Expo at Heathrow this Saturday if anybody feels the need to go and try and glean some more info.
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MPL was invented by a German guy who thought he was smarter that anybody else and wanted to invent something different a brighter idea in his view something that never existed before. Here we go...! Take it or leave it.
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If i remember correctly it was a major central European airline to start MPL training here, early 2000. The current MPL schemes are now flybe, easyJet, Virgin and now Wizzair... i would not be surspised if more get approved/announced later this year either.
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I wonder how long Europe keeps moving in the direction of finding/coming up with ways of getting people into airliners with less and less hours, whilst the states is going the opposite way.
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RedBullGaveMeWings hmmmm....
All talk and no experience it seems... The MPL is a great course and is the most relevant to airliner flying which is what 90% of pilots who graduate aim to do- with this being the case why not introduce multi pilot ops in the early stages of training and on jet simulators? In those 90 hours of flying real aircraft they will be at the same if not to a better standard than student taking the traditional route by the end.
And I'm guessing your aiming to be based in Europe when you get a job? Might I suggest that you save some of those 100 hours of "busy US airspace flying" for back in Europe as it will be a shock to to system.
Plastic787 it's a competency based course and they are continually assessed as well as having progress tests along the way. Its hard to compare the Single pilot MEIR exam and the final exam MPL students have to complete but its not easier. They have to do all the same things we had to do on our IR test but with failures and complex operational procedures along the way- I can see where your coming from thinking its easier as its multi crew but as they are assessed on this also they have to have effective CRM skills which can often go out the window in high work load situations if not trained properly, hence the reason why its introduced so early on.
Any way thats my 2 cents!
All talk and no experience it seems... The MPL is a great course and is the most relevant to airliner flying which is what 90% of pilots who graduate aim to do- with this being the case why not introduce multi pilot ops in the early stages of training and on jet simulators? In those 90 hours of flying real aircraft they will be at the same if not to a better standard than student taking the traditional route by the end.
And I'm guessing your aiming to be based in Europe when you get a job? Might I suggest that you save some of those 100 hours of "busy US airspace flying" for back in Europe as it will be a shock to to system.
Plastic787 it's a competency based course and they are continually assessed as well as having progress tests along the way. Its hard to compare the Single pilot MEIR exam and the final exam MPL students have to complete but its not easier. They have to do all the same things we had to do on our IR test but with failures and complex operational procedures along the way- I can see where your coming from thinking its easier as its multi crew but as they are assessed on this also they have to have effective CRM skills which can often go out the window in high work load situations if not trained properly, hence the reason why its introduced so early on.
Any way thats my 2 cents!
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I've just been confirmed that the WIZZAIR cadet pilot programme will be initially an Integrated ATPL and MPL from next year. Will be interesting to hear about the programme finance, anyone has a clue about costs?
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Just to clarify what is on offer from CTC and Wizz Air.
Pay £109k, work for Wizz earning €18k (£13k-basically UK minimum wage), live somewhere you have never heard of and can hardly point to on a map (not necessarily a bad place to live but not the UK near family etc), regularly waking up at 3am, -20C.
Would it ever be possible to pay £109k of debt off ever?
I understand that many budding pilots will proudly state that their love of flying is so strong that they would work for free! However upon returning to your base and then struggling to pay for a bus home you may feel it's not quite what you were expecting.
It seems like exploitation to me.
Pay £109k, work for Wizz earning €18k (£13k-basically UK minimum wage), live somewhere you have never heard of and can hardly point to on a map (not necessarily a bad place to live but not the UK near family etc), regularly waking up at 3am, -20C.
Would it ever be possible to pay £109k of debt off ever?
I understand that many budding pilots will proudly state that their love of flying is so strong that they would work for free! However upon returning to your base and then struggling to pay for a bus home you may feel it's not quite what you were expecting.
It seems like exploitation to me.
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Also, as the Wizz Air requirement is only 500 hrs on aircraft (any) then it would probably be a much better option to complete modular training for a fraction of the cost. I also know that TCX recently recruited low hour NTR modular pilots for the 320/1.
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RedBull - I think you are way off the mark. The cost of living may be cheaper in Eastern Europe; however, if you want to live by western standards you will find that accommodation of that standard has a high premium on it and as a result you have to pay a comparable sum regardless of location.
I think Wizz Air and CTC are directly to blame. They take advantage of someone willing to sign up to this scheme putting them in a difficult financial position. This directly affects flight safety, any pilot in this position will not be calling in sick to miss out on flight pay/salary.
Will they be well rested in suitable accommodation, well fed and in a fit state of mind to fly. With such huge financial pressures I'm sure you will agree it's questionable!
I think Wizz Air and CTC are directly to blame. They take advantage of someone willing to sign up to this scheme putting them in a difficult financial position. This directly affects flight safety, any pilot in this position will not be calling in sick to miss out on flight pay/salary.
Will they be well rested in suitable accommodation, well fed and in a fit state of mind to fly. With such huge financial pressures I'm sure you will agree it's questionable!
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Originally Posted by thoughts
Pay £109k, work for Wizz earning €18k (£13k-basically UK minimum wage), live somewhere you have never heard of and can hardly point to on a map (not necessarily a bad place to live but not the UK near family etc), regularly waking up at 3am, -20C.
And while Wizz Air doesn't pay in gold, you don't need to put anything upfront for the type rating (compared to almost 30k€ in RYR) and you get to fly new A320s a lot (900h/year), which means your options to go somewhere else open significantly in couple of months/years. And as mentioned before, there is nowhere written that this is a commuting contract. If you want and you are able (time-wise and financially) to commute, fine - nobody will stop you.
Forgive me for saying this, but I think many people from UK have this condescending view - comparing capital cities of Eastern Europe to the likes of North Korea, Africa, etc. I would really like to know what "living by Western standards" means though. Please explain, so we can be enlightened as well.
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Originally Posted by Plastic787
Call me condescending but when I see a girl of around twelve years old being allowed by her parents to openly defacate in the street or I watch old ladies rummaging around in bins for food then eating it straight away I am quite happy to make the judgement that these are not places I would like to live and certainly not western by any standards.
Originally Posted by Plastic787
FlyingStone the trend is for airlines in the West to be committing purely to cadet schemes so the door is closed to direct entry in most cases unless you get lucky. Where are you proposing that these people can go after their time at Wizz when all the other airlines are only interested in taking their own cadets? This is the problem here.
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Although Wizz do not make you pay for the TR upfront your salary is reduced by around €1000 for 18-24 months (perhaps someone can confirm the exact details). This is a bit cheeky as Wizz get Airbus training credits included with their new aircraft and yet they will still insist on salary deduction.
So if you are on a LIT FO contract and were non type rated your salary would be €18k-€12k(€1000/month TR deduction)=€6k+sector pay.
This directly affects flight safety. With a salary this low no one will be willing to miss the opportunity to fly earning valuable sector pay when they are in fact sick/unfit to fly!
Please correct me if I am wrong but flight safety has to come first, if you agree with this MPL scheme, low salary and questionable employment practices then you are not considering flight safety at the forefront of you decisions.
Redbull - No one is forced to sign these contracts but Wizz have a duty to ensure high standards of flight safety. I am not convinced that the scenarios discussed provide enough of a guarantee that flight safety will not be compromised.
Poland is not the same as many other countries with Wizz bases.
So if you are on a LIT FO contract and were non type rated your salary would be €18k-€12k(€1000/month TR deduction)=€6k+sector pay.
This directly affects flight safety. With a salary this low no one will be willing to miss the opportunity to fly earning valuable sector pay when they are in fact sick/unfit to fly!
Please correct me if I am wrong but flight safety has to come first, if you agree with this MPL scheme, low salary and questionable employment practices then you are not considering flight safety at the forefront of you decisions.
Redbull - No one is forced to sign these contracts but Wizz have a duty to ensure high standards of flight safety. I am not convinced that the scenarios discussed provide enough of a guarantee that flight safety will not be compromised.
Poland is not the same as many other countries with Wizz bases.
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In the end it's all about money for you but saw a lot of guys stating in this forum 'if you do it for the money than better stop now'; wherever you go, within your first years you won't make much.
Don't tell me that with BA, EZY, etc you make a fortune in the first years?
You talk about how little you get with this scheme but remember how much some pay to fly. You figure out what is better, go get a modular training (which is indeed a lot less than this wizz scheme), pay some TR, and when you see nobody wants you, you start P2F until you're out of money or probably someone will hire you. Or, embark any scheme you can, fly and make some money so you can live until you get some hours and you will be able to go for a better payed flying job. Do the maths and see what's better
As I see it, if you love it and want to do it, then go for it...you won't be able to save money in your first years but you'll be able to live, to get a rent, to buy food and go in holidays in the end that's the most important thing (at least for me) in life, to do what you love the most and to be able to live out of it. Most of our life we spend it at work so why not to be happy of what we are doing.
There are probably other better opportunities but, they are not for everyone. To get a loan for most of the schemes now, they require you to have a property in UK.
I read someone said, this scheme is no good for long term either? Why not? With time, you'll start making more many and if still not satisfied, what stops you from looking for another airline?
I see a lot of people against this scheme but I see no proper documented point as why is not a good one.
As for the living standards, lots of guys did/are doing bush flying, flew in the jungle just at some point to get a better life. They all have my respect for their willing to succeed and their courage. Don't tell me that Hungary, Poland or Romania is worse than those places.
It is a chance for someone who wants to fly but has no money, no support whatsoever..or someone who's not risking to pay for training without the guarantee of a job.
In the end it's all about flying...money you will make them if you want them and you're smart enough.
Don't tell me that with BA, EZY, etc you make a fortune in the first years?
You talk about how little you get with this scheme but remember how much some pay to fly. You figure out what is better, go get a modular training (which is indeed a lot less than this wizz scheme), pay some TR, and when you see nobody wants you, you start P2F until you're out of money or probably someone will hire you. Or, embark any scheme you can, fly and make some money so you can live until you get some hours and you will be able to go for a better payed flying job. Do the maths and see what's better
As I see it, if you love it and want to do it, then go for it...you won't be able to save money in your first years but you'll be able to live, to get a rent, to buy food and go in holidays in the end that's the most important thing (at least for me) in life, to do what you love the most and to be able to live out of it. Most of our life we spend it at work so why not to be happy of what we are doing.
There are probably other better opportunities but, they are not for everyone. To get a loan for most of the schemes now, they require you to have a property in UK.
I read someone said, this scheme is no good for long term either? Why not? With time, you'll start making more many and if still not satisfied, what stops you from looking for another airline?
I see a lot of people against this scheme but I see no proper documented point as why is not a good one.
As for the living standards, lots of guys did/are doing bush flying, flew in the jungle just at some point to get a better life. They all have my respect for their willing to succeed and their courage. Don't tell me that Hungary, Poland or Romania is worse than those places.
It is a chance for someone who wants to fly but has no money, no support whatsoever..or someone who's not risking to pay for training without the guarantee of a job.
In the end it's all about flying...money you will make them if you want them and you're smart enough.
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Maybe the name of the topic should be changed as I can see they are going to train you for CPL/ME/IR. And is not only with CTC.
The CEFA has launched the website, saw that they are going to do 2 phases online. How will that be?
Does anyone have experience with Martinair? Any feedback?
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The CEFA has launched the website, saw that they are going to do 2 phases online. How will that be?
Does anyone have experience with Martinair? Any feedback?
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Sorry for asking,
But i can't find a post related about a deal within CTC - RYANAIR which is very similar to this thread, any recent info about the the partnership within CTC and RYR?
Thanks.
But i can't find a post related about a deal within CTC - RYANAIR which is very similar to this thread, any recent info about the the partnership within CTC and RYR?
Thanks.
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Although Wizz do not make you pay for the TR upfront your salary is reduced by around €1000 for 18-24 months (perhaps someone can confirm the exact details). This is a bit cheeky as Wizz get Airbus training credits included with their new aircraft and yet they will still insist on salary deduction.
So if you are on a LIT FO contract and were non type rated your salary would be €18k-€12k(€1000/month TR deduction)=€6k+sector pay.
This directly affects flight safety. With a salary this low no one will be willing to miss the opportunity to fly earning valuable sector pay when they are in fact sick/unfit to fly!
Please correct me if I am wrong but flight safety has to come first, if you agree with this MPL scheme, low salary and questionable employment practices then you are not considering flight safety at the forefront of you decisions.
Redbull - No one is forced to sign these contracts but Wizz have a duty to ensure high standards of flight safety. I am not convinced that the scenarios discussed provide enough of a guarantee that flight safety will not be compromised.
Poland is not the same as many other countries with Wizz bases.
So if you are on a LIT FO contract and were non type rated your salary would be €18k-€12k(€1000/month TR deduction)=€6k+sector pay.
This directly affects flight safety. With a salary this low no one will be willing to miss the opportunity to fly earning valuable sector pay when they are in fact sick/unfit to fly!
Please correct me if I am wrong but flight safety has to come first, if you agree with this MPL scheme, low salary and questionable employment practices then you are not considering flight safety at the forefront of you decisions.
Redbull - No one is forced to sign these contracts but Wizz have a duty to ensure high standards of flight safety. I am not convinced that the scenarios discussed provide enough of a guarantee that flight safety will not be compromised.
Poland is not the same as many other countries with Wizz bases.
