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Rejection for me. Some of you will think I'm crazy, but there you go.
Anybody been successful care to share their background a bit. Thought I was suitably 'qualified' but obviously not.
Good luck.
Anybody been successful care to share their background a bit. Thought I was suitably 'qualified' but obviously not.
Good luck.
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ChaddersCheese, if your cv arrived on my desk with this scheme listed it would go straight in the bin!
It's an appalling scheme, it undermines the pilot profession as an actual career and the poor terms and conditions are a direct threat to flight safety because when money is that tight calling in sick is not an option.
It's a hard job both physically and mentally at the best of times and fatigue is no joke. Combine with this financial stress and you could start to compromise your own personal health. Nothing is worth compromising your own health for.
I'm out!
It's an appalling scheme, it undermines the pilot profession as an actual career and the poor terms and conditions are a direct threat to flight safety because when money is that tight calling in sick is not an option.
It's a hard job both physically and mentally at the best of times and fatigue is no joke. Combine with this financial stress and you could start to compromise your own personal health. Nothing is worth compromising your own health for.
I'm out!
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ChaddersCheese
Do your parents know about your designs on their mortgage?! In my case, the conversation was a little more complicated than "Can I borrow £xx,xxx?"
So you like Poland? Have you lived there? Are you certain you'll end up based there? How do you feel about living in Serbia, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, Ukraine, Czech Republic, Latvia, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Lithuania..?
I appreciate the romantic view you have of 'the big struggle' to get into the airlines, but there are other tried and tested ways of struggling to find your way in. And they don't saddle you with such an obligation to a life in an unfamiliar country.
This for a start, when it reopens.
Besides anything else, you've got the best part of 50 years' working ahead of you so what's the hurry to get in a jet?!
Imagine finding yourself stranded in Eastern Europe, unhappy in your job, earning little more than you would be stacking shelves at home, but unable even to quit and return to the UK lest your parents lose their home.
My advice, for what it's worth - if you're that determined to get yourself into a jet at the earliest opportunity - finish your degree, get a normal job and save, save, save. Do your PPL on the side. Apply for the BA FPP, easyJet MPL, Virgin MPL etc. at every opportunity! That way, when you get in, you'll not only have a bit of money to temper the huge debt you're about to take on, but when you find your way into a jet it'll be that much sweeter. Crucially, you won't have sold yourself any shorter than the rest of us who have joined the industry in the past x years.
Do your parents know about your designs on their mortgage?! In my case, the conversation was a little more complicated than "Can I borrow £xx,xxx?"
So you like Poland? Have you lived there? Are you certain you'll end up based there? How do you feel about living in Serbia, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, Ukraine, Czech Republic, Latvia, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Lithuania..?
I appreciate the romantic view you have of 'the big struggle' to get into the airlines, but there are other tried and tested ways of struggling to find your way in. And they don't saddle you with such an obligation to a life in an unfamiliar country.
This for a start, when it reopens.
Besides anything else, you've got the best part of 50 years' working ahead of you so what's the hurry to get in a jet?!
Imagine finding yourself stranded in Eastern Europe, unhappy in your job, earning little more than you would be stacking shelves at home, but unable even to quit and return to the UK lest your parents lose their home.
My advice, for what it's worth - if you're that determined to get yourself into a jet at the earliest opportunity - finish your degree, get a normal job and save, save, save. Do your PPL on the side. Apply for the BA FPP, easyJet MPL, Virgin MPL etc. at every opportunity! That way, when you get in, you'll not only have a bit of money to temper the huge debt you're about to take on, but when you find your way into a jet it'll be that much sweeter. Crucially, you won't have sold yourself any shorter than the rest of us who have joined the industry in the past x years.
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While I do not condone questionable employment practices, the MPL scheme is, and has been demonstrated to be a more effective course at preparing students for a specific role. All these early posts about flying around in a single/multi piston aircraft are rubbish.
The facts are that the MPL course is no shorter, and is in fact more expensive for both the student and the operator. The main benefit is that students arrive to the airline with a higher skillset that a traditional ATPL student as they have had so much more exposure to multipilot operations.
No point training a race drive in a Ford Fiesta, then give them the minimu possible training in the F1 car before throwing them on the race track.
The facts are that the MPL course is no shorter, and is in fact more expensive for both the student and the operator. The main benefit is that students arrive to the airline with a higher skillset that a traditional ATPL student as they have had so much more exposure to multipilot operations.
No point training a race drive in a Ford Fiesta, then give them the minimu possible training in the F1 car before throwing them on the race track.
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No point training a race drive in a Ford Fiesta, then give them the minimu possible training in the F1 car before throwing them on the race track
How do they manage in the US without that fabulous MPL concept?
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You tell me
You tell me PZ they have plenty of good flight schools but restrictive entry criteria which is now strangling their regional airlines. Few Americans see the point in 4 years of college $40000+ costs then add on the cost of getting your licences and building your hours $150000 roughly just to start at $24000 a year!!!!!! Ha I know what I would prefer. I'm sick of the narrow minded people on here
if you don't like the MPL fine but don't criticise it out right, it has its positives and its negatives put your arguments across and let people make up their own mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89ia5jf7IrY
if you don't like the MPL fine but don't criticise it out right, it has its positives and its negatives put your arguments across and let people make up their own mind.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89ia5jf7IrY
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plenty of good flight schools but restrictive entry criteria which is now strangling their regional airlines.
Few Americans see the point in 4 years of college $40000+ costs then add on the cost of getting your licences and building your hours $150000 roughly just to start at $24000 a year!!!!!!
I'm sick of the narrow minded people on here if you don't like the MPL fine but don't criticise it out right, it has its positives and its negatives put your arguments across and let people make up their own mind.
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Papa Zulu,
Where is the flaw? The MPL scheme actually trains pilots to a higher skillset and to deal with the unforeseen as well as the expected. They spend more time (pretty much double) on the specific type, dealing with more failures and difficult scenarios than the ATPL route ever does.
Show me how time flying around in an SEP with no problems is better than many hours, on type, dealing with carefully constructed exercises designed to train to competency.
I'm sorry but anybody that slates MPL has no idea about it.
It's more expensive because base training is 12 landings. Lead in time is so much longer and it requires continuous monitoring by the company.
Where is the flaw? The MPL scheme actually trains pilots to a higher skillset and to deal with the unforeseen as well as the expected. They spend more time (pretty much double) on the specific type, dealing with more failures and difficult scenarios than the ATPL route ever does.
Show me how time flying around in an SEP with no problems is better than many hours, on type, dealing with carefully constructed exercises designed to train to competency.
I'm sorry but anybody that slates MPL has no idea about it.
It's more expensive because base training is 12 landings. Lead in time is so much longer and it requires continuous monitoring by the company.
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Nick..re MPL..Balls Old Chap!
I assume that the 14 refers to your age...or hours...
SEP time at the very least focuses the mind on the fact that 1 donkey means any engine probs needs to be addressed in short order only after selecting a suitable landing area..the aviate navigate communicate and decision making workload is high particularly when you are responsible for teaching PFLs and thus preparing SEP pilots for such an event.
Of course, so is flying a single pilot NDB based SID on a piston twin with a failing or simulated failing engine in a good old UK winter low...
I assume that the 14 refers to your age...or hours...
SEP time at the very least focuses the mind on the fact that 1 donkey means any engine probs needs to be addressed in short order only after selecting a suitable landing area..the aviate navigate communicate and decision making workload is high particularly when you are responsible for teaching PFLs and thus preparing SEP pilots for such an event.
Of course, so is flying a single pilot NDB based SID on a piston twin with a failing or simulated failing engine in a good old UK winter low...
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Wrong on all accounts.
I do not work for CTC, I am a 737 TRI and SEP CRI with a reasonable amount of hours. I have spent the last few years researching training techniques and different courses to see where the future lies.
I am tired of arguing on this forum about the pros and cons of the MPL scheme but rest assured in the fact that at least their training techniques will be used in the future.
I do not work for CTC, I am a 737 TRI and SEP CRI with a reasonable amount of hours. I have spent the last few years researching training techniques and different courses to see where the future lies.
I am tired of arguing on this forum about the pros and cons of the MPL scheme but rest assured in the fact that at least their training techniques will be used in the future.
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So how are self-sponsored people to access the MPL?
A well known UK airline informed me today that they will not allow self-sponsored candidates access the MPL course: you must be sponsored.
In the end THAT is my moan: exclusivity. It appears that both ways work (worked).
It is an issue that I am going to take up with my MP & MEP IF it is true that self-sponsoring is being prevented.
So how are self-sponsored people to access the MPL?
A well known UK airline informed me today that they will not allow self-sponsored candidates access the MPL course: you must be sponsored.
In the end THAT is my moan: exclusivity. It appears that both ways work (worked).
It is an issue that I am going to take up with my MP & MEP IF it is true that self-sponsoring is being prevented.
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One of the biggest requirements of the MPL scheme is that the student is carefully assessed and selected and is training towards a specific type and to company SOPs. A self sponsored MPL would not work well as it is difficult to train a student for a generic type, ATPL would be far better in that case.Plus the cost would be greater So it wouldn't make sense.
Don't get me wrong, MPL was never designed to be the replacement for the ATPL route as it doesn't cater for other disciplines like the single pilot world. It was purely designed to provide job specific training to airline pilots.
Don't get me wrong, MPL was never designed to be the replacement for the ATPL route as it doesn't cater for other disciplines like the single pilot world. It was purely designed to provide job specific training to airline pilots.
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No I am not.
I am merely stating that an individual cannot go to an ATO and buy an MPL, but they can a CPL.
I am very well aware of the qualifications that you get following CPL/IR or as it is stated in regulation ATPL integrated course.
You are also wrong in relation to jobs. You can get a job straight out of school with a CPL as many people do.
I am merely stating that an individual cannot go to an ATO and buy an MPL, but they can a CPL.
I am very well aware of the qualifications that you get following CPL/IR or as it is stated in regulation ATPL integrated course.
You are also wrong in relation to jobs. You can get a job straight out of school with a CPL as many people do.
Syntax Error, a polite message for you. Whilst you have contributed significantly to this thread with much useful information, possibly consider only making positive contributions about this course from now on. Yes it may not be right for you, but that doesn't stop it being the right thing for absolutely everyone. Im sure it's rather tedious for others having to sift through your anti-Wizz MPL rhetoric, when perhaps candidates are reading this thread for useful information so they can make an informed choice.
Maybe the old phrase, "if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all," will come in handy...
Maybe the old phrase, "if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all," will come in handy...
Pretty hard to make positive contributions to a thread about a course like the wizzair MPL when you see all the in's and out's, and know people who work for them.
Syntax Error obviously has a lot of knowledge and experience with wizzair and I am much more interested in reading his posts than any others.
Syntax Error obviously has a lot of knowledge and experience with wizzair and I am much more interested in reading his posts than any others.
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Just to avoid confusion, the CTC programme with Wizzair is an integrated ATPL course, not MPL! Maybe the mods could get the thread title changed if such wizardry is possible? Other than that, I concur with the majority of posts above, IMO anyone applying needs their head examining....
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Not on.
Syntax,
You've got some valid points, but once you start dragging desperate refugees and whole swathes of continents into it, you've lost the argument.
In my view, you end up looking small minded, xenophobic and racist.
You end up sounding far worse than the supposed "narrow minded" countries that you describe as being full of "bigots".
Whatever bug is up your ar5e, I'd suggest you remove ASAP. You're sounding deranged.
You've got some valid points, but once you start dragging desperate refugees and whole swathes of continents into it, you've lost the argument.
In my view, you end up looking small minded, xenophobic and racist.
You end up sounding far worse than the supposed "narrow minded" countries that you describe as being full of "bigots".
Whatever bug is up your ar5e, I'd suggest you remove ASAP. You're sounding deranged.