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Like most people, once you reach a certain point giving up isn't really an option in the medium term thanks to a flight training loan to pay back.
Would I go back to my previous career.....tricky one. I enjoyed my old job. Not on the scale that I enjoy my current job but then the enjoyment is limited to ME and not my family. My previous career provided a reasonable income and didn't require anything like the same sort of sacrafices as aviaiton. As you know, this industry is littered with divorcees who ultimately paid the price at home for the endless compromises.
If I had my time again would I be flying for a living......not on your nelly. I would have worked harder at school and been a Doctor which is actually what I dreamt of doing when I was younger.
Don't get me wrong, I love flying. Really I do. I genuinely look forward to going to work and actually not once have I ever felt like I'm at work when I'm at work (if that makes sense). The price to be paid for this enjoyment is at home but just how much can I ask of my family before I call it a day. I don;t have an axe to grind, I'm not unhappy with my lot and I don't resent airlines or the industry. But it's food for thought or you guys looking at this as a viable career. Some say take the rough with the smooth but the rough in aviation could lead to some pretty horrible places. As I say, Managing it is key.
Would I go back to my previous career.....tricky one. I enjoyed my old job. Not on the scale that I enjoy my current job but then the enjoyment is limited to ME and not my family. My previous career provided a reasonable income and didn't require anything like the same sort of sacrafices as aviaiton. As you know, this industry is littered with divorcees who ultimately paid the price at home for the endless compromises.
If I had my time again would I be flying for a living......not on your nelly. I would have worked harder at school and been a Doctor which is actually what I dreamt of doing when I was younger.
Don't get me wrong, I love flying. Really I do. I genuinely look forward to going to work and actually not once have I ever felt like I'm at work when I'm at work (if that makes sense). The price to be paid for this enjoyment is at home but just how much can I ask of my family before I call it a day. I don;t have an axe to grind, I'm not unhappy with my lot and I don't resent airlines or the industry. But it's food for thought or you guys looking at this as a viable career. Some say take the rough with the smooth but the rough in aviation could lead to some pretty horrible places. As I say, Managing it is key.
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Early on as a Junior Quack I would agree but from the few school friends that became Doctors, once the Junior Doctor bit was done and they became either GP's or Registrar's, the endless compromises seem to have stopped and they're left alone to get on with their careers. To my knowledge, although I'm happy to be corrected, they're not asked to keep accepting relocations, poorer contracts and pay for training if they opt to move into a different field. It's no bed of roses in the early days for sure but once on their desired track they have all seemed to get better and better off every year. Can the same really be said in our game?
As I said, I don't have an axe to grind and have a great home life but I'm sure at some point I'll be expected to take another kick in the balls for an Airline. I hope not but it's certainly anticipated. With that in mind, people looking to embark on this career need to be aware of the potential pitfalls that may not have been entirely considered. While every career has its downsides, the potential land mines in aviation can be particularly frequent, wide ranging and damaging.
Thankfully Mrs 2W2R is very understanding but there's a limit to what I will put my family through in the name of aviation. My main point was that don't be frightened to admit that while you enjoy your job, you need to be in this for the money as well. Becoming a pilot at any cost has been the attitude of so many over the last decade and the airlines have exploited it. It's a big reason for the downward spiral of T's & C's. Being SOLELY in it for the cash will only lead to doom and almost certain disappointment but unless you're fortunate enough to be from money, you need to earn a living. Especially with the financial outlay that newbies are expected to cough up these days....what's an OAA / CTC course cost these days? £100k ish plus the type rating cost of £30k ish....that's alot of dosh to recoup and pay back.
Anyway, apologies for the thread drift. Have a good weekend all!
As I said, I don't have an axe to grind and have a great home life but I'm sure at some point I'll be expected to take another kick in the balls for an Airline. I hope not but it's certainly anticipated. With that in mind, people looking to embark on this career need to be aware of the potential pitfalls that may not have been entirely considered. While every career has its downsides, the potential land mines in aviation can be particularly frequent, wide ranging and damaging.
Thankfully Mrs 2W2R is very understanding but there's a limit to what I will put my family through in the name of aviation. My main point was that don't be frightened to admit that while you enjoy your job, you need to be in this for the money as well. Becoming a pilot at any cost has been the attitude of so many over the last decade and the airlines have exploited it. It's a big reason for the downward spiral of T's & C's. Being SOLELY in it for the cash will only lead to doom and almost certain disappointment but unless you're fortunate enough to be from money, you need to earn a living. Especially with the financial outlay that newbies are expected to cough up these days....what's an OAA / CTC course cost these days? £100k ish plus the type rating cost of £30k ish....that's alot of dosh to recoup and pay back.
Anyway, apologies for the thread drift. Have a good weekend all!
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Typical week
What is a typical week or fortnight like for a new FO at Flybe?
After the line training that is. I'm particularly interested in the rota for FOs.
Thank you.
PS I've flown as a passenger in a Q400 a few times and I'd love to fly one as a pilot (with all the caveats mentioned above).
After the line training that is. I'm particularly interested in the rota for FOs.
Thank you.
PS I've flown as a passenger in a Q400 a few times and I'd love to fly one as a pilot (with all the caveats mentioned above).
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Is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling this scheme isn't really selling well. Usually when such schemes open this place is a hive of chatter and general discussion, that's for programmes costing 100k + so you would think this would generate a lot more chat. I rang ctc the day it opened and was quickly encouraged to send in an application (more enthusiastically than previous calls about other schemes).
I may be wrong but that's the impression I'm getting.
I may be wrong but that's the impression I'm getting.
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Didn't Flybe lay off all of their cadets mid training not so long ago? Can't be 100% sure on that one but I'm fairly certain that was basically what happened. Maybe people are somewhat cautious and the availability of Finance for such a scheme, not to mention security, is harder to come by?
CTC / OAA / FTE et al are all businesses first and foremost. Never forget that and in their never ending quest to be the school with the most airline logo's all over their brochures and website means that, in reality, they hold no loyalty to you as the customer (a word that doesn't get used much if at all by these FTO's). Their main goal is to keep the airline happy. You are just another piggy entering the sausage machine. Sad but true!
Sorry OK, I probably sound like a miserable
. I'm not, I've just been through it all and now see these companies for what they are. However in terms of the end game, you could do a lot worse than FlyBe! Good company and a good job (from what I hear). Last time I had any dealings with the HR / Recruitment people I was thoroughly impressesed. Which is definitely not the norm for airline HR!
CTC / OAA / FTE et al are all businesses first and foremost. Never forget that and in their never ending quest to be the school with the most airline logo's all over their brochures and website means that, in reality, they hold no loyalty to you as the customer (a word that doesn't get used much if at all by these FTO's). Their main goal is to keep the airline happy. You are just another piggy entering the sausage machine. Sad but true!
Sorry OK, I probably sound like a miserable
. I'm not, I've just been through it all and now see these companies for what they are. However in terms of the end game, you could do a lot worse than FlyBe! Good company and a good job (from what I hear). Last time I had any dealings with the HR / Recruitment people I was thoroughly impressesed. Which is definitely not the norm for airline HR!
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An excellent post. I know the first CTC group made it through without being laid off, I'm not sure about FTE.
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You are most certainly just a number
I also agree with you. I had a very positive experience with the pilot recruitment team. It was a great interview format and the pilot recruitment manager who may initially seem fierce totally put me at ease and was extremely friendly. I ran into her by chance a year or two later, she remembered me and we had a very pleasant chat. I got a great impression of Flybe.
CTC / OAA / FTE et al are all businesses first and foremost. Never forget that and in their never ending quest to be the school with the most airline logo's all over their brochures and website means that, in reality, they hold no loyalty to you as the customer (a word that doesn't get used much if at all by these FTO's). Their main goal is to keep the airline happy. You are just another piggy entering the sausage machine. Sad but true!
You are most certainly just a number
Sorry OK, I probably sound like a miserable . I'm not, I've just been through it all and now see these companies for what they are. However in terms of the end game, you could do a lot worse than FlyBe! Good company and a good job (from what I hear). Last time I had any dealings with the HR / Recruitment people I was thoroughly impressesed. Which is definitely not the norm for airline HR!
. I'm not, I've just been through it all and now see these companies for what they are. However in terms of the end game, you could do a lot worse than FlyBe! Good company and a good job (from what I hear). Last time I had any dealings with the HR / Recruitment people I was thoroughly impressesed. Which is definitely not the norm for airline HR!
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I sent off an application to see what would happen. I got an invite a day or so after. I haven't booked a day as I still cant justify the large financial outlay against the small financial reward (see earlier in the thread). To be honest I think CTC just want my £245.
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Flyveryhigh, that shouldn't be right. I know many people who previously passed the aptitude with one airline's programme at CTC but not the interview, they were able to reapply to other airline programmes for the interview repeat and anything else that differed from them for only the £130 (the new reapplication fee).
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Hello everyone, I'm new to the forum.
I applied to this program and I received an email saying "your application has progressed to the next phase"
I'm currently filling the second battery of questions, but, and I've been seriously put down by the calculations made in previous pages.
I made my own maths and it's even worse in my case with BBVA Spain's high interest if you don't have a house to mortage.
I used this website to calculate the net income: ListenToTaxman Tax Calculator 2014 UK Salary Calculator / Tax Calculator / Income Tax Calculator. Incorporates PAYE, national insurance, tax code, pensions and student loan repayments and I get £22,249.72 p/y after tax. ¿Aren't the payment of the Loan and the salary sacrifice (to pay the sponsorship back) considered as deductions?
In CTC's site they say "you will receive a Flight Duty Allowance at £2.09 per hour". Do they count just the fly hours or every work hour? How much could we expect from this "Flight Duty Allowance"? This is not stated in FTE Jerez Flybe page, but I guess it's the same.
I would really love to be selected for the Flybe program, I'm willing to do reasonable financial sacrifices, I'm not concerned about flying turboprop or the difficulties to move to jets in the future it's been discussed before, but I don't think I could live in the UK with a net income of £700 a month.
So I really have to do the maths well before driving for 9 hours to Jerez for the assessment.
I applied to this program and I received an email saying "your application has progressed to the next phase"
I'm currently filling the second battery of questions, but, and I've been seriously put down by the calculations made in previous pages.
I made my own maths and it's even worse in my case with BBVA Spain's high interest if you don't have a house to mortage.
I used this website to calculate the net income: ListenToTaxman Tax Calculator 2014 UK Salary Calculator / Tax Calculator / Income Tax Calculator. Incorporates PAYE, national insurance, tax code, pensions and student loan repayments and I get £22,249.72 p/y after tax. ¿Aren't the payment of the Loan and the salary sacrifice (to pay the sponsorship back) considered as deductions?
In CTC's site they say "you will receive a Flight Duty Allowance at £2.09 per hour". Do they count just the fly hours or every work hour? How much could we expect from this "Flight Duty Allowance"? This is not stated in FTE Jerez Flybe page, but I guess it's the same.
I would really love to be selected for the Flybe program, I'm willing to do reasonable financial sacrifices, I'm not concerned about flying turboprop or the difficulties to move to jets in the future it's been discussed before, but I don't think I could live in the UK with a net income of £700 a month.
So I really have to do the maths well before driving for 9 hours to Jerez for the assessment.
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CTC Assessment
Hi guys, I was just wondering if anyone was booked in for CTC's assessment tomorrow (19/02/15) ?
Also, does anyone know how many selection days there are ?
When I booked mine the 19th was the only day available.
Also, does anyone know how many selection days there are ?
When I booked mine the 19th was the only day available.