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I was seriously not up to date about RYR coming back. The fact they did and pay social security contributions with fully contracted pilots shows there was no malicious intent, just greed. And the same made them come back after the theatrical exit was staged. Money talks - no, money walks.
Speaking of uni(c)o(r)ns above, without full explanation for brevity, this mythical pan-European thing is what I had in mind. Or even single-country WZZ thing.
The SNPL involvement excatly fits the puzzle the way I see it. Not to mention that SNPL was not RYR pilot's union and most definitely not a cross-border union. What was possible was done, shaping the landscape where the rouge operated. The solution exists, political pressure using the tools already at hand. Proudly and responsibly, protecting their home turf.
You actually made my day.
I still hold it true that RYR ejected for the newly enforced obligation to pay into social security system in France. If that's union work, even better.
Speaking of uni(c)o(r)ns above, without full explanation for brevity, this mythical pan-European thing is what I had in mind. Or even single-country WZZ thing.
The SNPL involvement excatly fits the puzzle the way I see it. Not to mention that SNPL was not RYR pilot's union and most definitely not a cross-border union. What was possible was done, shaping the landscape where the rouge operated. The solution exists, political pressure using the tools already at hand. Proudly and responsibly, protecting their home turf.
You actually made my day.
I still hold it true that RYR ejected for the newly enforced obligation to pay into social security system in France. If that's union work, even better.
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Well I suppose a union is only as strong as it’s allowed to be under the national legislation. Balpa might be the best example of this a very unionised workforce in many companies but with very little real power.
Anyway hopefully some young hopeful out there will think twice about the prospect of spending their money and talent on the prospect of working for the lowest common denominator and maybe do something more useful with their lives.
Anyway hopefully some young hopeful out there will think twice about the prospect of spending their money and talent on the prospect of working for the lowest common denominator and maybe do something more useful with their lives.
well yes..
As I’ve written earlier if you walk into this knowing what you’re signing up for even before you’ve invested a single euro into your training I do blame the individual for absolutely screwing over their own future as well as everyone else’s.
If you’re all ready knee deep into it then it is what it is. I’m not a fan of joining these guys but I understand these guys are in a complicated situation.
But why would any sane person spend more than 100.000 euro to qualify for a job that’ll never pay more than a McDonald’s supervisor? It makes absolutely zero sense.
As I’ve written earlier if you walk into this knowing what you’re signing up for even before you’ve invested a single euro into your training I do blame the individual for absolutely screwing over their own future as well as everyone else’s.
If you’re all ready knee deep into it then it is what it is. I’m not a fan of joining these guys but I understand these guys are in a complicated situation.
But why would any sane person spend more than 100.000 euro to qualify for a job that’ll never pay more than a McDonald’s supervisor? It makes absolutely zero sense.
And just to emphasise for the young hopefuls out there. There’s no future in this industry. If there’s time to back out I suggest doing that and spending your lives and talents on something else. There’ll be no good recovery from COVID and T&Cs for most pilots will very permanently be effected and under constant decline.
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Let me guess you walked straight into a well paying BA and didn't have to find a job, didn't you 
I bet if you was in a newly graduated pilots position you'd grab anything you could. Anyone would, the salaries for an FO are low, but the captains isn't that bad in the grand scheme of things, plus time to command will be lower its a low cost buget airline what do you expect? If you dont like it dont apply, it won't stop others who want to land that all important first job.
I bet if you was in a newly graduated pilots position you'd grab anything you could. Anyone would, the salaries for an FO are low, but the captains isn't that bad in the grand scheme of things, plus time to command will be lower its a low cost buget airline what do you expect? If you dont like it dont apply, it won't stop others who want to land that all important first job.
.. that’s just about as far from hitting the nail on the head as someone could possibly be😂mate, I instructed for years, flew in war zones for years on old tp and worked my way to a jet. Been flying for 25 years and no I’m not with BA. Nice airline though and I’ve got plenty of former colleagues who are happy there.
But to the point; as I’ve stated earlier if you’re in a situation with a fresh license and Wizz is your shot of course you go for it. I understand a lot of these guys are not in a position to be picky. That being said “the all important first job” comment is exactly the problem. Where do you imagine yourself going after this? Honest question. ME is out, BA and Ezy will not be hiring for years to come and you might get Ryanair in Lauda disguise on similar terms as Wizz. So what’s actually left to step on to? The more cheap fo’s helping Wizz along with cheap labour the fewer jobs will be available at the well paying competition. This has been the progression for many many years and it’s only getting worse.
Another honest question; what’s your idea of reasonable pay? I think we might be on very different pages here..
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If you want to make comparisons, make proper comparisons. Never have I seen a McDonald's supervisor earning more than a LCC FO. Not even in Eastern Europe.
Get a grip. Aviation threw you a curved ball, like it has done to many and not only in our industry, but your attitude to face the situation is horrible. There will be a recovery and a future.
If you want to make comparisons, make proper comparisons. Never have I seen a McDonald's supervisor earning more than a LCC FO. Not even in Eastern Europe.
Get a grip. Aviation threw you a curved ball, like it has done to many and not only in our industry, but your attitude to face the situation is horrible. There will be a recovery and a future.
look Banana, I’m actually one of the few who maintained the job under the same terms in good airline. This past year has been a
positive experience in many ways so I’m very far from bitter.
I will however not sugar coat the reality of the industry now and in the future. All airlines are absolutely struggling and a big recovery will also require big loan repayments. It’ll be though for years and with the green agenda the time of big airline expansion is gone.
If you can make it to Air France, KLM, Lufthansa in 5-6 years you might still get a nice career. It requires the right nationality though..
by all means stay positive about the future, it’s important to maintain a bit of sanity and I’m sure you’re already established in the industry.
I will again though make sure everyone considering this as a career will think twice and hopefully choose a different path. A future with likes of Vardi as your boss I really don’t wish for any pilot out there.
Sorry to edit but I just noticed I forgot to answer your comment about pay. As far as I know Volotea fo’s are on around 1500 a month spread out over the year as most are seasonal workers. In Scandinavia a McDonald’s supervisor is on around 4000 before tax and you probably get to live next to your mom and help them when they grow old..
what did Wizz pay again?
positive experience in many ways so I’m very far from bitter.
I will however not sugar coat the reality of the industry now and in the future. All airlines are absolutely struggling and a big recovery will also require big loan repayments. It’ll be though for years and with the green agenda the time of big airline expansion is gone.
If you can make it to Air France, KLM, Lufthansa in 5-6 years you might still get a nice career. It requires the right nationality though..
by all means stay positive about the future, it’s important to maintain a bit of sanity and I’m sure you’re already established in the industry.
I will again though make sure everyone considering this as a career will think twice and hopefully choose a different path. A future with likes of Vardi as your boss I really don’t wish for any pilot out there.
Sorry to edit but I just noticed I forgot to answer your comment about pay. As far as I know Volotea fo’s are on around 1500 a month spread out over the year as most are seasonal workers. In Scandinavia a McDonald’s supervisor is on around 4000 before tax and you probably get to live next to your mom and help them when they grow old..
what did Wizz pay again?
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We happen to be in the same situation then. Maybe I'm better off since I happen to fly for a cargo operator, but I really can't understand your overly pessimistic view. There will be a time to fight for better terms and conditions. It happened already in 2017 with Ryanair.
And one doesn't need to necessarily work for one of those majors to have a nice fruitful career in the industry.
And one doesn't need to necessarily work for one of those majors to have a nice fruitful career in the industry.
being in cargo is the place to be these days. You’ll find the reality in European short and long haul flying punters around is indeed much more bleak. To be honest I very much doubt we’ve seen the last default as this summer is looking to be another disaster for us.
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In my country, the average age of Covid cases dropped to 41. That means the vaccine is working, and gives me reason to believe that by this time next year we will back to normality.
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My idea of reasonable pay is different to yours, as it will be different to Bannatyne joes reasonable level of pay is something that compensates the role of the job, you maybe not leave wizz at the moment, but come September October there will be places to go believe me.
My idea of reasonable pay is different to yours, as it will be different to Bannatyne joes reasonable level of pay is something that compensates the role of the job, you maybe not leave wizz at the moment, but come September October there will be places to go believe me.
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there’s every reason to believe next year will be at least back to some sort of normality. I can only hope enough people sign up for the vaccine but that’s a different discussion all together. The big question is if companies will survive another year without income. It’s clear Af, Lh and certain other flag carriers will be supported by the states. That leaves the question where that leaves the rest of us..
Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to be wrong about this and see a thriving industry come out of this.
there’s every reason to believe next year will be at least back to some sort of normality. I can only hope enough people sign up for the vaccine but that’s a different discussion all together. The big question is if companies will survive another year without income. It’s clear Af, Lh and certain other flag carriers will be supported by the states. That leaves the question where that leaves the rest of us..
Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to be wrong about this and see a thriving industry come out of this.
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I’m not in Wizz and been lucky enough to never work for that kind of an outfit. Yes there’s a load of luck involved in this industry..
Where do you think people will go after the summer then? I always have an eye on the market and it is completely dead at the moment. Even China!
I’m not in Wizz and been lucky enough to never work for that kind of an outfit. Yes there’s a
load of luck involved in this industry..Where do you think people will go after the summer then? I always have an eye on the market and it is completely dead at the moment. Even China!
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We must all defend against the rush to the bottom and agreeing to fly for awful T’s and C’s. Ryanair have 500 cadets about to be trained in the U.K. to do what ? And while they are in the sim/aircraft what are the already “employed” Ryanair guys doing ?