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Old 6th Dec 2020, 13:38
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Ryanair did undergo a massive change/shift in their attitude towards pilots. It wasn't always a one way street with pilots bending over. Lifestyle is sometimes worth it's measure in gold, salary figures become not so important. That's what Ryanair gave people in the end. Wizzair will need to do the same especially in Britain, and especially post-Brexit. They can't ignore union recognition in all countries and they wont be the only carrier hiring 2022 and beyond.
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Old 6th Dec 2020, 14:24
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But at what cost did the change of attitude come to Ryanair? At the cost of many, many resignations and a massive staff turnover rate. Ryanair only became an appealing career-type airline some 5-6 years ago or thereabout. Not because they were feeling charitable, but because, after some point, growth and development become impossible without having a critical mass of loyal employees who have been trained in-house, have company-relevant experience and pursue long-term growth within the company. The price to pay for that? Surprise, surprise - not treating people in such a way that they become desperate to jump ships the very moment they have a chance to!
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Old 6th Dec 2020, 14:36
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It’s actually come to the point where people talk about Ryanair as a career style airline who treat their employees well ?!.😆 We’re all doomed.🙄
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Old 7th Dec 2020, 07:24
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Exactly. I think it was summer 2017 when they did a big disaster and O’Leary said we had a confusion with the holidays of our pilots. They canceled thousands and thousands of flights and the stocks of the company drop A LOT!.

O’leary learned that lesson and as a result they changed. Varadi never had similar situation in the company, that is why his behavior is different.
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Old 7th Dec 2020, 10:08
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Post covid people will accept ANYTHING to go back to a flightdeck unless in the mean time they find a job that pays more money and offers a better lifestyle = unlikely for 90% of us.
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Old 7th Dec 2020, 12:44
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Yes, but that likely won't last forever. And here lies the big difference between the old and the current Ryanair approaches towards staff: thinking about the day after today and the day after tomorrow. With vaccines at the doorstep, the market will no longer be in dire straits in another 2-3 years. With the amount of flying normally done with a LCC, today's cadet will be a Captain in 4-5 years, an instructor in 7-8 years, an examiner in 10 years or so. Throughout this development cycle, aviation will usually go through some sort of major crisis and a couple of recovery years after it. How do you ensure that, when things pick up, your company will still be those people's primary choice and desired field of further professional development? Consistently providing decent treatment instead of acting solely as an hour-building facility for better places was the solution which Ryanair adopted. And it certainly did work.
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Old 9th Dec 2020, 07:41
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Cardiff Base

https://www.travelweekly.co.uk/artic...ntingency-plan

whatever you may think of the company, this is good news for Cardiff and the customers in Wales and the south west
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Old 9th Dec 2020, 09:28
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Old 9th Dec 2020, 21:13
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Funny how this board is full of low count posters telling us that we must accept ANYTHING! I wonder who is behind all that hype?
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Old 10th Dec 2020, 07:21
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Young/low hour pilots starting their career who really must accept ANYTHING in order to get a job?
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Old 10th Dec 2020, 07:43
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If in doubt, just follow the money. Who stands to benefit from creating such expectations?
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Old 13th Dec 2020, 04:35
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https://norwaytoday-info.cdn.ampproj...-bullying/amp/

I think the obvious violation of employee's rights are PREVENTING them to organize, Mr. Rado.
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Old 13th Dec 2020, 10:18
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I’m not saying pilots should accept anything, I’m saying that pilots WILL accept anything to go back flying because :

A) it’s still more money than what 90% of pilots with no previous careers can make (forget the BS of transferable skills).

B) After to much time away from the flight deck your net worth as a pilot falls dramatically, as not even the crappiest loco operator in some forgotten counties will hire you.

All the rest is a good blabla.
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Old 13th Dec 2020, 15:28
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“The attempt to use boycott and bullying tactics to force employees to organize is an obvious violation of their rights,” Wizz Air’s communications manager Andras Rado wrote in an email

Oh, so NOW they care about employees’ rights? They wouldn’t know double standards if you wrapped them around a brick and whacked them in the head with it.
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Old 13th Dec 2020, 16:03
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The other day O’Leary said in a interview to Eurocontrol that Varadi labor policy in Western Europe will not work. Also said that they are expanding to Siberia, Dubai or China because they are afraid of Ryanair.

Some colleagues inside Ryan training department told me that is expected very soon a massive Recruitment from Ryanair in Europe. And they will take Captain with or without Type Rating on 73.

also Volotea seems to be that is preparing something, most probably for January

Easyjet opening summer bases in Malaga and Faro...

I think everybody is preparing for the big wave, but seems to be that regarding manpower Ryanair did better their homeworks and are better prepare for their imminent expansion.
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Old 13th Dec 2020, 17:05
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This company is an abomination. I’m sure the Norwegian people would find it reasonable to feel pity for the poor Wizz air personal that will be forced to organise themselves for better terms and conditions. The humanity!
Face it the Norwegian have no interest in supporting an Eastern European company run by gangsters to save a few kroner. It just doesn’t work that way in Norway and they’ll leave soon enough.
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Old 13th Dec 2020, 19:09
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Well noted, nickler. In fact, currency and recency are becoming even more of a concern short-term than earning potential. At this point, there are already quite a few A320 drivers out there who haven't been in a flight deck for over a year now. Think the charter lot who finished off the summer season in the autumn of 2019 but had no job to come back to in the summer of 2020. Also, plenty of TCX crew never found another job after September 2019.

With this in mind, Wizz air explicitly say that their normal hiring minima of X hours within the last Y months and last commercial flight within the last Z months no longer apply as a hard requirement. However, it's also sort of obvious that, if you have recent experience, you'll likely be looked upon more favorably than someone with a gap of over a year.

Does this put extra pressure on many unfortunate guys and girls? Absolutely. At that point, their game is about getting into flying at all costs for the sake of logging some recent hours. No improvement in conditions can be expected for as long as there's a choice between recent and not-so-recent candidates. After that gap in recency reduces, it will be the good old supply VS demand game.
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Old 14th Dec 2020, 10:49
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Although agree with most of this analysis there’s the issue of supply vs demand coming back and somehow levelling things out again. Sure they’ll need pilots again but the cuts the boys and girls have accepted to get their recency are permanent. Pay and conditions never went up with the laws of supply and demand. During the best times with strong unions we’ve managed to get an inflation adjustment plus half a percent. Taking a 20 percent cut is something you will never ever get back.
I have very little sympathy for people believing it is okay to work for free just to be in the game. It undermines the whole industry and every other pilot who stood up for themselves over the last years.
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Old 14th Dec 2020, 22:21
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People who left the company this year: Head of Maintenance, Head of Ground Operations, Head of Operation Control Center, Head of Organization Development, Head of Internal Audit, Head of Financial Planning & Controlling, Chief Investment Officer, EVP/Group Chief Operating Officer, EVP/Deputy Chief Executive Officer. Things might not all be well then?
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Old 14th Dec 2020, 22:30
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They are experts for good PR and media advertising... They entered domestic market in Norway and Italy with hope for good load factors however LF are really weak (20-30pax). Without government support I am not sure for how long can they last with current cash burn... And Varadi started secondary business recently... I hope they will survive this winter until demand starts picking up again. Maybe this is the point where Wizz Air will finally become socially responsible towards their employees and change their attitude towards the stakeholders and stop focusing on shareholders only.

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