Wizzair

[MCT SET]

Wizz SOP

hi all just curious to wizz air policy on hand flying the aircraft and day to day SOP not talking about assessments and recurrent training. are they pretty liberal and relaxed about letting the PF flying the plane or are they more restrictive with the SOP

[Quagmire1299]

Could anyone tell me if Luton base is mostly 2 or 4 sector days, or a mix? Thanks.

[nickler]

Hi guys,

A380 Cpt. willing to move back to the UK. Do You know if LTN base is likely to be available in the next few months? I am current on A320/330/380 although I haven't flown the A320 for the past 7 years but always kept it current on my licence ; does that mean I need to join as non rated ? If so, any costs involved and do I need to go through a full type rating course ?
Cheers.

[Racetothebottom]

Originally Posted by Newcomer2

Depending on where you are on the payscale (hours in the company), I would say between 6000 and 7500 euros a month after all taxes paid. Keep in mind the cost of living in central and Eastern Europe

the new joiners with 2 years in the company earn way less

[Chauderon]

MCT SET, SOP encourages hand flying, manual throttle, visual approaches when sensible to do so.

Qaugmire, Luton mostly 2 sector days with a few 4 sectors.

nickler, don't know but Pilot Recruitment should be able to answer all those questions.

[dirk85]

Originally Posted by Chauderon

MCT SET, SOP encourages hand flying, manual throttle, visual approaches when sensible to do so.

Qaugmire, Luton mostly 2 sector days with a few 4 sectors.

nickler, don't know but Pilot Recruitment should be able to answer all those questions.

Last time I checked raw data ILS with A/T off were not allowed. Same as visual approaches with A/T off. Wouldn’t call that encouraging manual flying.

[Sick]

No-one said raw data

wilfully busting levels and setting off the GPWS (as is the common result) is not allowed in most western airlines (outside Belgium).

[Augis1999]

Does anyone know if they are recruiting now? Applied via their website month ago however no answer from them

Kind regards.

[cucuotto]

Originally Posted by Sick

No-one said raw data

wilfully busting levels and setting off the GPWS (as is the common result) is not allowed in most western airlines (outside Belgium).

So are you a pilot or what? Can' t you fly?

[Sick]

I'm a professional pilot, so I don't fly raw data on the line, and I follow SOPs, which are almost universal on banning raw data, and have been designed this way for a good reason - I refer of course, to the numerous incidents which resulted, and still result, from pilots flying raw data on the line, (which reached epidemic proportions in Belgian airlines in the late 90s, to the extent that they were threatened with being banned from the London TMA if they didn't stop it.) It deserves severe sanction if it contravenes that pilots SOPs, irrespective of anyone's capabilities, yours or mine (which are pretty good thanks, having flown 100% no automatics, no FD or proper AP, air taxi IFR, back in the day, and still keep current with practice in the sim, and private flying)

You?

[nickler]

Originally Posted by Racetothebottom

There is a waiting list and unlikely they will need people in LTN anytime soon.
There is no CCQ or abbreviated course from 380 to 320. You will need to do full type rating and you will be on a reduced salary ( bond ).
salaries are very low for the DEC and it takes about two years to get rid of the bond and decrease salary. It starts to count after final check out.

Originally Posted by Chauderon

MCT SET, SOP encourages hand flying, manual throttle, visual approaches when sensible to do so.

Qaugmire, Luton mostly 2 sector days with a few 4 sectors.

nickler, don't know but Pilot Recruitment should be able to answer all those questions.

Thanks guys.

Originally Posted by Racetothebottom

There is no CCQ or abbreviated course from 380 to 320. You will need to do full type rating and you will be on a reduced salary ( bond ).

I'm a bit puzzled on that one. I have a valid A320 rating on my licence with a TRI/TRE on it that I keep renewing... does that mean I should start a full A320 type rating ? I have about 9000 hours on type although I haven't flown it physically for the past 7 years but I do freelance as TRE on it... guess I am not going to pay for a rating that I already have on my licence.

[Intrance]

Originally Posted by Sick

I'm a professional pilot, so I don't fly raw data on the line, and I follow SOPs, which are almost universal on banning raw data, and have been designed this way for a good reason - I refer of course, to the numerous incidents which resulted, and still result, from pilots flying raw data on the line, (which reached epidemic proportions in Belgian airlines in the late 90s, to the extent that they were threatened with being banned from the London TMA if they didn't stop it.) It deserves severe sanction if it contravenes that pilots SOPs, irrespective of anyone's capabilities, yours or mine (which are pretty good thanks, having flown 100% no automatics, no FD or proper AP, air taxi IFR, back in the day, and still keep current with practice in the sim, and private flying)

You?

If your airline bans raw data flying on the line I'd be looking for another job where I could actually fly the plane. And I'm saying that having done 2000+ hours of manual only commercial air transport on small turboprops as well. And currently flying jets for a couple of thousand hours at an airline that does not ban raw data flying and encourages manual flight whenever the situation allows for it to keep skills fresh. Somehow we have not been banned out of any TMA yet, perhaps because our pilots can actually fly.

[bob777]

Originally Posted by Sick

I'm a professional pilot, so I don't fly raw data on the line, and I follow SOPs, which are almost universal on banning raw data, and have been designed this way for a good reason - I refer of course, to the numerous incidents which resulted, and still result, from pilots flying raw data on the line, (which reached epidemic proportions in Belgian airlines in the late 90s, to the extent that they were threatened with being banned from the London TMA if they didn't stop it.) It deserves severe sanction if it contravenes that pilots SOPs, irrespective of anyone's capabilities, yours or mine (which are pretty good thanks, having flown 100% no automatics, no FD or proper AP, air taxi IFR, back in the day, and still keep current with practice in the sim, and private flying)

You?

Looks like you are not current with the most recent manufacturer recommendation which encourages raw data flying as much as practical sure keeping in consideration the complexity of the airspace you operate in and weather. Nevertheless you might find your self having to operate raw data when less expected. Automation is good as far as is kept as safety layer and not a substitute by piloting skills. I had the chance to fly with Belgian captains and they were vastly among the best I flew at the time. Unfortunately many bimbos playing pilot have no clue nowadays. SOPs are just a attempt to micromanage something which is not manageable....bad luck.


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[Sick]

This is getting way off thread (not helped by clogging it with a full quote each time - I wish pprune would disable this feature) , you seem confused - nothing to do with circuits, NDB,.vor etc - but by raw data, I mean flight directors off = Verboten (and monitored by SESMA/FDM = angry phone call very soon thereafter!) in the three very large airlines I know of. If your SOPs permit FDs off, then fine and dandy - just don't trigger my TCAS while you're doing it!
Back to wizz

[Intrance]

Originally Posted by Sick

This is getting way off thread (not helped by clogging it with a full quote each time - I wish pprune would disable this feature) , you seem confused - nothing to do with circuits, NDB,.vor etc - but by raw data, I mean flight directors off = Verboten (and monitored by SESMA/FDM) in the three very large airlines I know of. If your SOPs permit FDs off, then fine and dandy - just don't trigger my TCAS while you're doing it!
Back to wizz

Ah, OK, three airlines is indeed “almost universally” banned by SOP . Thankfully I don’t work for your employer, I’d be bored out of my skull.

And good to read that Wizzair does not seem to ban manual flight, though auto thrust required is a bit disappointing if that is correct.

[nickler]

Any chance to get back to Wizzair T&C ?

[Mienjung]

Hello guys,


I will start my Cadet Program from WizzAir at Egnatia this year. I just wanted to ask if someone done that before and could give me some tips. It is my dream job but i am a bit scared that the contract says that you have to accomplish a certain percentage at the exams and so on... so it is risky to fail the whole stuff and pay them the whole money back immediately. Any tips on how to learn or something like that? I would appreciate that.


By the way, i know that some people have their opinions about Wizz Air being bad or good, i won't judge that and i haven't worked for them so i cannot say anything but for example i have some friends who fly for LH and what i hear about the internal problems and other stuff sounds more worse to me then the stuff i hear about wizz

[samatyranin]

Originally Posted by Mienjung

Hello guys,


I will start my Cadet Program from WizzAir at Egnatia this year. I just wanted to ask if someone done that before and could give me some tips. It is my dream job but i am a bit scared that the contract says that you have to accomplish a certain percentage at the exams and so on... so it is risky to fail the whole stuff and pay them the whole money back immediately. Any tips on how to learn or something like that? I would appreciate that.


By the way, i know that some people have their opinions about Wizz Air being bad or good, i won't judge that and i haven't worked for them so i cannot say anything but for example i have some friends who fly for LH and what i hear about the internal problems and other stuff sounds more worse to me then the stuff i hear about wizz

There is another topic about WAPA:

Wizzair Pilot Academy

as of these special percentages - Well to get ATPL(f) you need to have these (as far as I know) 75% from exams. And about exams - if you fail it you loose that inital training fee of €14,000 but you are not forced to pay rest in short term notice. After you pass these exams you get rest of training cost covered by wizz air. All these situations where you need to pay rest of loan are for when you screw up by for example leaving wizz air before these 5 years that you had contract for and so on. Purpose of these screening days is that they know you better. They evaluate whether you are capable of passing exams or not. Did you pass that 3 day screening? If you did - it means that some psychologist or so made their positive opinion about your person and your capabilities of finishing training.

And if you're asking about internal working atmosphere. In every company there are good and bad things. Some of these are more painful to ones and less visible to others. So I wouldn't be surprised when both LH and WIZZ may have some of weird **** going on there.

Me personally, I don't know any Wizz Air nor LH pilots. I've only heard second hand opinions - mostly about Wizz that whole working environment is great there. I also seen it as Wizz staff (pilots and flight attendants are heading through terminal to their planes) - they look happy and that they are having great time at work. And these smiles doesn't look fake for me.

[Mienjung]

Thank you very much!
As far as I know the 14k are for the ppl (3 months theory + 3 months flight practice) after that you will have the exams at the very end of those 17 months of training. In case you fail the check flight after the 6 months you don't have to pay money back (You'll loose your 14k). I guess its still hard but is an awesome experience.
Greetings from Munich!

[samatyranin]

According to WAPA Brochure:

https://pilot-academy.wizzair.com/as...re_UNIFIED.pdf

These 14k are good for about 5 months of training (including part of ATPL theory). So you might already have PPL + some practice stuff towards IR or ME. After these 5 months you will go through phase check. And I'm nearly sure that if you will be able to pass your PPL then you'll be also good for their phase check. What else they might ask you other than thing you learned during PPL and some pattern flying or VFR flying?

I think you should not be concerned about that phase check unless you are going to totally skip your lectures and so on. Please keep in mind that airlines are generally in need of pilots these days. And 5 year bondage is what they really look for. No matter what - they will have you. Will easyjet call you with twice as good salary? NOPE - you're bound and if you leave then you need to pay off everything fast.

Have you been on these budapest screening days already? Ppl there are generally dressed as for job interview (suit and tie) or more casual?