Germania - Cockpit4U Assessment
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Germania - Cockpit4U Assessment
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I was wondering if someone had the technical interview and assessment for Germania in Berlin via Cockpit4U?
Any feedback will be highly appreciated!
I was wondering if someone had the technical interview and assessment for Germania in Berlin via Cockpit4U?
Any feedback will be highly appreciated!
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The info I have is that it is P2F.
And since I am FULLY AGAINST this type of ''employment'', I would say, don't even think about working there.
That is what they want. Idiots who are willing to pay for their own training, which are cheap, and which they can kick out after done the LT. And then the Next idiot who is willing to pay for their training.
YOU ARE RUINING THE MARKET with this.
Also for me. A person who is NOT willing to pay. I cannot get a job, because retards who are attending those P2F programs taking my potential place.
ONLY PASSENGERS SHOULD PAY 2 FLY.
And since I am FULLY AGAINST this type of ''employment'', I would say, don't even think about working there.
That is what they want. Idiots who are willing to pay for their own training, which are cheap, and which they can kick out after done the LT. And then the Next idiot who is willing to pay for their training.
YOU ARE RUINING THE MARKET with this.
Also for me. A person who is NOT willing to pay. I cannot get a job, because retards who are attending those P2F programs taking my potential place.
ONLY PASSENGERS SHOULD PAY 2 FLY.
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Here is what I know from someone who did it few weeks ago!
P2F scheme... Self sponsoring for the Type and the LT with Germania!
He signed a contract for 15 months with 50 hrs per month!
According to him you get a salary 1.500 EUR per month plus extra.
It is a P2F scheme but it seems different! 15 months x 50hrs = 750 hrs where the other P2F are 300/500 hrs (not cheap 46.000 to 55.000)
P2F scheme... Self sponsoring for the Type and the LT with Germania!
He signed a contract for 15 months with 50 hrs per month!
According to him you get a salary 1.500 EUR per month plus extra.
It is a P2F scheme but it seems different! 15 months x 50hrs = 750 hrs where the other P2F are 300/500 hrs (not cheap 46.000 to 55.000)
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EVERY P2F is crap. 500 or 750hrs. Doesnt matter. I have 0,0 respect for people who go this way.
YOU RUIN also my chances to get a PROPER paid job. And you ruin it for other people to keep up their Terms and Conditions.
Just think about it. You have 3000 hrs. You work hard for the company. And then, you get kicked out, because the airline can put a retard on your RHS for very bad conditions, but that person is very desperate to get some hours and pays a fortune for it. They can make more profit, because they safe on salary costs.
The world UPSIDE DOWN.
Their licenses should be confiscated .
YOU RUIN also my chances to get a PROPER paid job. And you ruin it for other people to keep up their Terms and Conditions.
Just think about it. You have 3000 hrs. You work hard for the company. And then, you get kicked out, because the airline can put a retard on your RHS for very bad conditions, but that person is very desperate to get some hours and pays a fortune for it. They can make more profit, because they safe on salary costs.
The world UPSIDE DOWN.
Their licenses should be confiscated .
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Couldn't find any information on this looking at the cockpit4u website and the Germania website is only taking experienced crew.
Could you kindly nudge me in the correct direction to read up on what is on offer. Would be very interested to see if it is actually the candidate paying for the TR then having a job rather then paying for the flight hours.
Could you kindly nudge me in the correct direction to read up on what is on offer. Would be very interested to see if it is actually the candidate paying for the TR then having a job rather then paying for the flight hours.
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I think it is still open, but not promoted as it was a while ago. I guess you can get some more information about it via cockpit4u.
But I have heard lots of times that they still recruit their 737 FO via P2F.
But I have heard lots of times that they still recruit their 737 FO via P2F.
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The scheme is still active but too many demands this year! You can ask to be on the waiting list for next year... At least this is true for the A320 TR and LT! No idea for the B737
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I was on a type rating course earlier this year with cockpit4u.
Their were Germania pay to fly on both a320 and 737. Some of them were chopped at the end of the course by Germania for being below standard.
Their were Germania pay to fly on both a320 and 737. Some of them were chopped at the end of the course by Germania for being below standard.
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There you go. Thanks for these informations.
Its very hard to believe. They are now number 3 or 4 in Germany, more than 20 airframes I think and they still use those methods. Save money save money save money. Because as we can read from the previous post they still have full type rating courses and more than enough guys willing to pay for their LT and 400+ hours afterwards as well.
Small wonder they can operate on routes other airlines are dropping because there is no profit.
Its very hard to believe. They are now number 3 or 4 in Germany, more than 20 airframes I think and they still use those methods. Save money save money save money. Because as we can read from the previous post they still have full type rating courses and more than enough guys willing to pay for their LT and 400+ hours afterwards as well.
Small wonder they can operate on routes other airlines are dropping because there is no profit.
Germania seems to be looking for A320-Captains and A320-FOs for their new swiss subsidiary "Germania Flug AG" at Zurich. Ops starting from march next year.
Germania sucht Piloten für neue Schweizer Tochter | FLUG REVUE
Germania sucht Piloten für neue Schweizer Tochter | FLUG REVUE
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I've stayed in touch with some pilot friends via facebook and a few of them did p2f in various places, mainly because they couldn't find jobs. Ok its a few years ago now, but they got jobs with netjets, BA, RYR and a few other airlines, and I should think some have made it to captain by now.
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I have read the comments in this thread and somehow feel obliged to give a response after seeing the replies. Keep in mind that I have first hand experience from loads of people working there.
First of all P40Warhawk you are so right: P2F is destroying chances for normal paying jobs and is also destroying T&C for pilots the coming years. Not that it will stop the ones wanting to get a LHS as soon as possible. Who cares that in 5-10 years they will be flying loads of hours in a hectic ever changing roster for peanuts. Oh wait these people believe to land a highly paid job after having paid for flying in the next years!! Well guess again that will change because of the likes of you. Anyway that is my professional opinion about P2F.
Now back to the scheme offered according to some of the repliers in this topic. Yes one can buy a LHS at Germania and get some sort of payment for it during the contract period. Why do people name it payment?? You are paying a piece back from your own money (or the banks money or your parents). Furthermore no way you will be flying 50 hrs every month during 15 months. During the winter period it will be a lot less. It is just the way for them to make your own paid service legal. No contract means not legal to be on their plains as staff.
One thing I still don't understand after flying more than 4000 hrs is why a lot of people don't do more research before getting themselves involved in these scheme's. I even want to go further.. Why did you ever let yourself be tricked by the flying schools that the jobs would be for the grabbing? I know you have/had a dream. Yes I understand that you want to fly after your education. Why now do you want to destroy the dream of loads of your fellow flying colleagues and yourself within the next coming years? Once I made the decision to become pilot I already knew that my chances were slim and yes I also decided to take my chance. I had to wait more than a year after landing my first paying job and I still think I was lucky. After several years I even lost my first job because of the crisis. Now after 2 years I finally got another PAYING job. That took 3 things experience, patience and some luck. Never it came to mind to degrade myself to P2F. This brings me back to my mentioned TT. Why do most people even now still think that with 500 hrs on type (or even 1000) and with 700-1200 hrs TT the jobs are for the picking? Have you ever looked at the number of carriers that accept pilots with that kind of hours? Very very few to none and in the current market loads of people with thousands of hours on type are also in line for places with those carriers. Why? Because there are to many. If you think I'm wrong I dare you to name the carriers you think will accept you! Even with my hours the carriers that reply are rare!
Germania is indeed using this to obtain loads of free workforce and because of it can afford to not provide security for hard working non-P2F in regard to contracts. The few contracts that are given now have terrible T&C. Loads of paying people to take their place (in fact the waiting list is over 125 people!!!
). And why do you think your non paying colleagues have no respect for you? On the other hand I can understand Germania. It's all about making money... Until the first mayor incident/accident happens! P2F means that also people who are not suited to fly loads of passengers in the start of their career are accepted. Before I hear stories about bull****.. For fact there are people who received extra training of 200 hrs (besides the 100 standard hours) before being cleared for line training. Well they paid so... 
.
First of all P40Warhawk you are so right: P2F is destroying chances for normal paying jobs and is also destroying T&C for pilots the coming years. Not that it will stop the ones wanting to get a LHS as soon as possible. Who cares that in 5-10 years they will be flying loads of hours in a hectic ever changing roster for peanuts. Oh wait these people believe to land a highly paid job after having paid for flying in the next years!! Well guess again that will change because of the likes of you. Anyway that is my professional opinion about P2F.
Now back to the scheme offered according to some of the repliers in this topic. Yes one can buy a LHS at Germania and get some sort of payment for it during the contract period. Why do people name it payment?? You are paying a piece back from your own money (or the banks money or your parents). Furthermore no way you will be flying 50 hrs every month during 15 months. During the winter period it will be a lot less. It is just the way for them to make your own paid service legal. No contract means not legal to be on their plains as staff.
One thing I still don't understand after flying more than 4000 hrs is why a lot of people don't do more research before getting themselves involved in these scheme's. I even want to go further.. Why did you ever let yourself be tricked by the flying schools that the jobs would be for the grabbing? I know you have/had a dream. Yes I understand that you want to fly after your education. Why now do you want to destroy the dream of loads of your fellow flying colleagues and yourself within the next coming years? Once I made the decision to become pilot I already knew that my chances were slim and yes I also decided to take my chance. I had to wait more than a year after landing my first paying job and I still think I was lucky. After several years I even lost my first job because of the crisis. Now after 2 years I finally got another PAYING job. That took 3 things experience, patience and some luck. Never it came to mind to degrade myself to P2F. This brings me back to my mentioned TT. Why do most people even now still think that with 500 hrs on type (or even 1000) and with 700-1200 hrs TT the jobs are for the picking? Have you ever looked at the number of carriers that accept pilots with that kind of hours? Very very few to none and in the current market loads of people with thousands of hours on type are also in line for places with those carriers. Why? Because there are to many. If you think I'm wrong I dare you to name the carriers you think will accept you! Even with my hours the carriers that reply are rare!
Germania is indeed using this to obtain loads of free workforce and because of it can afford to not provide security for hard working non-P2F in regard to contracts. The few contracts that are given now have terrible T&C. Loads of paying people to take their place (in fact the waiting list is over 125 people!!!
). And why do you think your non paying colleagues have no respect for you? On the other hand I can understand Germania. It's all about making money... Until the first mayor incident/accident happens! P2F means that also people who are not suited to fly loads of passengers in the start of their career are accepted. Before I hear stories about bull****.. For fact there are people who received extra training of 200 hrs (besides the 100 standard hours) before being cleared for line training. Well they paid so... .
