How many of your CPL classmates are flying 7 years after graduation?
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Very interesting stats, thanks to all who have shared.
With no experience of being on the other side of training I am curious as to how these reports compare against the stats boasted by CTC and the likes such as "90%+ being placed with an airline within the first year".
Is this complete and utter BS or are all these stories coming from outside the big 3?
With no experience of being on the other side of training I am curious as to how these reports compare against the stats boasted by CTC and the likes such as "90%+ being placed with an airline within the first year".
Is this complete and utter BS or are all these stories coming from outside the big 3?
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Didcot aviation academy (if you get my drift) count any person who has done any training with them what so ever in their figures. So when you see 150 employed then yes it's true but some of those graduated 4-5 years ago, some may have just done a single module etc but these numbers are offered up against the suggestion that they only train approx 200 integrated pilots a year.
Hell I was counted three times by my reckoning. The simple truth is that getting your qualification is he easy bit and the chance of success is far from certain. There are however some routes with better success rates than others
Hell I was counted three times by my reckoning. The simple truth is that getting your qualification is he easy bit and the chance of success is far from certain. There are however some routes with better success rates than others
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Finished in 2003, sponsored cadet, of the 19 of us sponsored I was the last to finish but the only one to pass distance learning, 3 others also finished, one had to pay finish.
During the time there I probably met some 20 others non sponsored.
So from close to 39, there are two of us that where sponsored and passed, both of us TP then jet (took a long time Trust me, almost 8 years to fly commercial for me)
Then the sponsored guy that got dropped is flying jets.
And of the 20 non sponsored, 2 where already flying effective military so converting licence both with jobs, and one other who also has a job in the sandpit.
So 6:39 ratio,
During the time there I probably met some 20 others non sponsored.
So from close to 39, there are two of us that where sponsored and passed, both of us TP then jet (took a long time Trust me, almost 8 years to fly commercial for me)
Then the sponsored guy that got dropped is flying jets.
And of the 20 non sponsored, 2 where already flying effective military so converting licence both with jobs, and one other who also has a job in the sandpit.
So 6:39 ratio,
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Training completed 2008 at a small (but well known) flying school on the north side of Bournemouth Airport. There were approx 8 guys training during my time there...
2 - (myself and one other) secured job with regional TP operator (after a long wait in a hold pool, but not self funded)
1 - self funded TR with Ryan Air
1 - worked for a sim instruction outfit for a while, then self funded with Wizz
1 - instructed and then self funded with EZY
Three others I have no idea what became of them.
Unless you have considerable drive, commitment and some very strong cash reserves, no I probably wouldn't recommend it as a starting career / career change.
2 - (myself and one other) secured job with regional TP operator (after a long wait in a hold pool, but not self funded)
1 - self funded TR with Ryan Air
1 - worked for a sim instruction outfit for a while, then self funded with Wizz
1 - instructed and then self funded with EZY
Three others I have no idea what became of them.
Unless you have considerable drive, commitment and some very strong cash reserves, no I probably wouldn't recommend it as a starting career / career change.
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Graduated in 2011 from well-known flight training outfit with approx 16 on my course.
Of the 16, there are only two who are not flying, albeit one is employed within an active role in aviation operations.
Of the 16, there are only two who are not flying, albeit one is employed within an active role in aviation operations.
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Can I just ask why you don't recommend a career as a pilot to anyone? Thousands of people dream of someday becoming a pilot but simply can't afford it and I understand that you fly for EZY so I think you're very fortunate to be in that position and I don't doubt that you had that same dream to be a pilot years ago so where did that passion go?
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Not recommending the career does not necessarily mean that the passion has gone (although it might!). It's not difficult to convince yourself that you want to be a pilot so much, so much more than anyone else that you WILL have the determination and WILL make it. It's only once you are either in the unfortunate but common position of being qualified and jobless OR whenever you are in the job and can full understand and appreciate the downsides that come with the good bits that you can admit that, while it might be a good career for an individual, it is not what it is often portrayed as by movies, the general population and flight schools.
Now you are looking at risking a massive amount of money to fight/compete with thousands of other hopefuls, most of which will think that they are determined enough and can make it. At the end of training there is not a good chance of gaining employment, there is really a pretty poor chance (although this thread admittedly shows a better rate of those employed than I thought it would, but the fact that a number of posts talk about completing training in a much better financial climate must be considered). Then even if you do get a job, there is a good chance that many would be disappointed if they have not figured out the realities.
Now you are looking at risking a massive amount of money to fight/compete with thousands of other hopefuls, most of which will think that they are determined enough and can make it. At the end of training there is not a good chance of gaining employment, there is really a pretty poor chance (although this thread admittedly shows a better rate of those employed than I thought it would, but the fact that a number of posts talk about completing training in a much better financial climate must be considered). Then even if you do get a job, there is a good chance that many would be disappointed if they have not figured out the realities.
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I don't have supertabs of everyone included, but me and some friends tried to find these percentages once.
Of people I know, or are losely aquinted with, we were about 300 people in my flight school over the time I was there.
Of those about 5% quit training before conversion to JAA.
10% don't finish, or are stalling a lot with their JAA (ATPL) conversion
around 20% have any kind of aviation job. From flight instructing to jets. Maybe less than 5% have anything you would consider a "career making job". Quite a few work in airports, checkin, ground handling, cabin crew. A grand majority have given up and are pursuing different careers.
All in all, it's fun how the flight schools always try to paint a rosy picture, but no one ever tells you the statistics. And every time they say "work in aviation", they also include cabin crew, ground staff, anything close to an airport basically.
I would still do it again, but I would do it with my eyes open.
Anyone who asks me, I give them the true story of it, and many of those reconsider everything.
Of people I know, or are losely aquinted with, we were about 300 people in my flight school over the time I was there.
Of those about 5% quit training before conversion to JAA.
10% don't finish, or are stalling a lot with their JAA (ATPL) conversion
around 20% have any kind of aviation job. From flight instructing to jets. Maybe less than 5% have anything you would consider a "career making job". Quite a few work in airports, checkin, ground handling, cabin crew. A grand majority have given up and are pursuing different careers.
All in all, it's fun how the flight schools always try to paint a rosy picture, but no one ever tells you the statistics. And every time they say "work in aviation", they also include cabin crew, ground staff, anything close to an airport basically.
I would still do it again, but I would do it with my eyes open.
Anyone who asks me, I give them the true story of it, and many of those reconsider everything.
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I was in a course of twelve young hopefuls in that did our CPLs in 2009. Half of us are currently flying commercially but none are in a big (or even medium size) airline, though being from New Zealand the path to an airline is much slower/ different:
I'm flying in Africa.
One is instructing at our flight school in NZ.
Two are in Papua New Guinea.
One is in Samoa.
One is in Australia.
As for the others, seems that they gave up looking for a flying job pretty quickly. I doubt any of that six even have their PPL privileges current any more.
Interestingly enough, the ones who are still flying had joined the course having already flown a few lessons, knowing what they were getting into and having dreamed of flying for a long time beforehand. The ones who are still sitting at home with an enormous student loan and no job to show for it, are the ones who seemed to suddenly decide one day that flying a big shiny jet and earning lots of money would be cool and 'maybe I could try that'. My four years of instructing showed the same trend over and over again. I haven't worked it out, but I would guess that less than half of my students have found their first job in aviation.
So would I recommend a career in aviation? Yes and no. For someone who has dreamed of it and has the passion and drive needed, the willingness to move away from home, and the ability to accept that their first job most likely won't be glamorous/ in a jet, then yes. For someone who woke up one day and thought that it would be fun, then no. Do a few lessons, wait a few years, then if it still sounds like a good idea, then perhaps it is?
I'm flying in Africa.
One is instructing at our flight school in NZ.
Two are in Papua New Guinea.
One is in Samoa.
One is in Australia.
As for the others, seems that they gave up looking for a flying job pretty quickly. I doubt any of that six even have their PPL privileges current any more.
Interestingly enough, the ones who are still flying had joined the course having already flown a few lessons, knowing what they were getting into and having dreamed of flying for a long time beforehand. The ones who are still sitting at home with an enormous student loan and no job to show for it, are the ones who seemed to suddenly decide one day that flying a big shiny jet and earning lots of money would be cool and 'maybe I could try that'. My four years of instructing showed the same trend over and over again. I haven't worked it out, but I would guess that less than half of my students have found their first job in aviation.
So would I recommend a career in aviation? Yes and no. For someone who has dreamed of it and has the passion and drive needed, the willingness to move away from home, and the ability to accept that their first job most likely won't be glamorous/ in a jet, then yes. For someone who woke up one day and thought that it would be fun, then no. Do a few lessons, wait a few years, then if it still sounds like a good idea, then perhaps it is?
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I can not believe the level of immaturity in some of your answers!!
who in the right mind would suggest a young man to spend all his money in a flight school? with pretty much NO future! just accept the fact you have no job in aviation. Even if you had a job, you would come here to complain.
the harsh reality is:
Every month thousand of new pilots pop out from flight schools with no where to go, banks are banging at their parents' door to get their money back? how they will pay back their 190h of flight experience??
I recommend to stay clear from planes and aviation schools and get a normal life!.At least for a few years.!!!
who in the right mind would suggest a young man to spend all his money in a flight school? with pretty much NO future! just accept the fact you have no job in aviation. Even if you had a job, you would come here to complain.
the harsh reality is:
Every month thousand of new pilots pop out from flight schools with no where to go, banks are banging at their parents' door to get their money back? how they will pay back their 190h of flight experience??
I recommend to stay clear from planes and aviation schools and get a normal life!.At least for a few years.!!!
8 on my integrated course, graduated in 2005, all flying within a couple of months for various operators, but this is as of now:
3 Emirates 777/380
1 British Airways 747
1 Virgin Atlantic 747
1 easyJet A320
1 FlyBe E195
1 SunExpress B737
3 Emirates 777/380
1 British Airways 747
1 Virgin Atlantic 747
1 easyJet A320
1 FlyBe E195
1 SunExpress B737
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From my class of 7 in 1994 - 2 guys are flying jets, me and one other, and another is kind-of flying, he retrained to helicopters after a couple years unemployed on fixed wing. More money than brains, yeah I know
The other 4 all lucked out - one lost his medical shortly after finishing the course
, one's a card dealer in Auckland casino, one's milking cows, and one's in an office job
The other 4 all lucked out - one lost his medical shortly after finishing the course
, one's a card dealer in Auckland casino, one's milking cows, and one's in an office job
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in my batch, only one found a job in a big airline, the rest gave up or are struggling.
guys who want be pilot after 2008 are dreamer or totally crazy.
I met a guy few months ago, he sent 700cv and he got 10 negative answers. the guy has 4000 flight hours so yes it s a good time for this industry to take your money and getting nothing back in return.
of you are not hired by British airway or easy jet in their mpl scheme, forget about it. why should they hire you? because you have the right attitude or your loaded with cash?
guys who want be pilot after 2008 are dreamer or totally crazy.
I met a guy few months ago, he sent 700cv and he got 10 negative answers. the guy has 4000 flight hours so yes it s a good time for this industry to take your money and getting nothing back in return.
of you are not hired by British airway or easy jet in their mpl scheme, forget about it. why should they hire you? because you have the right attitude or your loaded with cash?
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My class finished in november 2013.
So after almost a year, out of the 19, 5 are hired by Ryanair and 3 or 4 others will have their assessment coming up shortly.
The remaing will have a tough job to get into the industry.
So after almost a year, out of the 19, 5 are hired by Ryanair and 3 or 4 others will have their assessment coming up shortly.
The remaing will have a tough job to get into the industry.
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Finished 2011. Started as 8, 2 dropped out, 1 still in training (...)
Out of the 5 left:
- one flying 320 for Condor
- one flying CRJ for LH Cityline
- one flying MEP + Kingair
- one unemployed
- and me flying for Swiss
Out of the 5 left:
- one flying 320 for Condor
- one flying CRJ for LH Cityline
- one flying MEP + Kingair
- one unemployed
- and me flying for Swiss
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Which one if I may ask? Because these numbers in a bad period where we live in right now is not bad.
How did you guys got these jobs?
How did you guys got these jobs?