Flybe DHC8 F/O recruitment
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Chaps look, just hang in there. There are literally no cadets in the system at all to take on. We've interviewed internal candidates, it's affiliated school recommendations next, then the general public. If the general public are being called at the moment then that's where it's at. For all those external candidates who haven't heard just hang in there and have patience. The flight ops dept dealing with applications is very small AND they have to do the interviewing.
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Thanks for the information CC, out of interest did the internal candidates already employed by Flybe in other departments have to meet the same criteria as external candidates ie 90% average in written exams, JOC completed etc etc?
Good luck and best wishes to them.
Good luck and best wishes to them.
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Non CTC cadets successful
As far as I know, I have two friends from OAA who have got the job with Flybe and start at the end of this month.
Granted, Flybe approached OAA and asked them to forward some CV's before online recruitment opened up so I have no doubt they did the same with CTC etc.
If that round of employment has now finished I would think they will start looking at the online applications so hopefully we'll hear something soon.
Expect a short time till training begins. Also my friends said they got no choice in bases.
Granted, Flybe approached OAA and asked them to forward some CV's before online recruitment opened up so I have no doubt they did the same with CTC etc.
If that round of employment has now finished I would think they will start looking at the online applications so hopefully we'll hear something soon.
Expect a short time till training begins. Also my friends said they got no choice in bases.
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They asked FTE for cadet recommendations. Sadly they were not interested in FTE instructor recommendations.
Very disappointing set of circumstances regarding pilot recruitment appearing in recent years. Since when did instructing at an integrated ATO rank lower than a fresh faced graduate at the same place?
A separate topic regarding the potential for flight safety being diminished amongst some airlines who seem to favour cheaper less experienced pilots has got to be on PPRuNe somewhere - anyone got a link?
Come on Flybe don't join the race to the bottom, please!
Sad and worrying times.
Very disappointing set of circumstances regarding pilot recruitment appearing in recent years. Since when did instructing at an integrated ATO rank lower than a fresh faced graduate at the same place?
A separate topic regarding the potential for flight safety being diminished amongst some airlines who seem to favour cheaper less experienced pilots has got to be on PPRuNe somewhere - anyone got a link?
Come on Flybe don't join the race to the bottom, please!
Sad and worrying times.
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The market is strange.
Then the Airlines wants to have EXPERIENCED pilots.
And then they want to see Fresh Grads with only 200+ hrs TT. Impossible to follow.
But I understand it a bit.
The ones with FI exp or something like that are MAYBE harder to form. Well in their eyes then.
Then the Airlines wants to have EXPERIENCED pilots.
And then they want to see Fresh Grads with only 200+ hrs TT. Impossible to follow.
But I understand it a bit.
The ones with FI exp or something like that are MAYBE harder to form. Well in their eyes then.
Dancing with the devil, going with the flow... it's all a game to me.
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Why would an FI be harder to form?
If anything, having a couple of thousand hours instructing has told me I know very little. With experience I've become more humble as a pilot and as such would be more plyable.
Some people calling the shots in recruitment seem to have very jaundiced views towards anything they personally did not experience along their way. Fact!
If anything, having a couple of thousand hours instructing has told me I know very little. With experience I've become more humble as a pilot and as such would be more plyable.
Some people calling the shots in recruitment seem to have very jaundiced views towards anything they personally did not experience along their way. Fact!
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Look guys, it's not fair to lay into Flybe over their recruitment practices, we're not like easyjet, far from it. We still take on pilots from a broad demographic. It isn't just cadets who are getting a look in. We take from cadets, fresh fATPLs, instructors, current airline pilots, air taxi etc. There is no discrimination. You need to vent your frustrations in the direction of the orange brigade.
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Flybe DHC8 F/O recruitment
I completed my integrated course in jan 2010 and have been applying to every opportunity that comes up. The only thing I was not able to tick on my app was 50 hours in the last 12 months although still current, i met all ground school minimum requirements and first time IR and CPL. Although I have never been given a single opportunity for an interview I for one think things have improved in recent months and will keep going, people should wish those who are successful in finding a job all the best and its the likes of Flybe who offer bonds to pay for your type rating who still give me optimism for the future.
Good luck to all who have applied and don't listen to those who are always riding the neg bus!
Good luck to all who have applied and don't listen to those who are always riding the neg bus!
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Well one bit of "good" news is that Flybe doesn't require a JOC. If you don't have one they will send you on a JOC at Simtech at the candidates expense.
This is done prior to the sim check.
If Flybe really believe the JOC is a tangible useful asset to completing a Dash 8 type rating then the expense should be wrapped into the Type Rating Training bond, not footed by the candidates prior to completing the sim check.
It seems there is some agreement between Simtech and Flybe which is obviously a nice little earner for Simtech.
This is done prior to the sim check.
If Flybe really believe the JOC is a tangible useful asset to completing a Dash 8 type rating then the expense should be wrapped into the Type Rating Training bond, not footed by the candidates prior to completing the sim check.
It seems there is some agreement between Simtech and Flybe which is obviously a nice little earner for Simtech.
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Upthere, why would any employment law cover this, the candidates taking the JOC are not employed by Flybe.
If the candidates had been offered a job and then asked to do the JOC I wouldn't see it as an issue. Paying 2.5 k for a guaranteed job is a small price.
But paying 2.5k just to be eligible for the sim check, then this becomes an obvious money creation scheme for simtech.
There is no official agreement between Flybe and Simtech that you will find on written contract, but it is very apparent that some one at simtech must have a colleague at Flybe and there has been some behind the "scenes" arrangement.
If the candidates had been offered a job and then asked to do the JOC I wouldn't see it as an issue. Paying 2.5 k for a guaranteed job is a small price.
But paying 2.5k just to be eligible for the sim check, then this becomes an obvious money creation scheme for simtech.
There is no official agreement between Flybe and Simtech that you will find on written contract, but it is very apparent that some one at simtech must have a colleague at Flybe and there has been some behind the "scenes" arrangement.
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Maybe employment law isn't the word but I know there are laws governing how interviews should be conducted and what questions can/cannot be asked etc.. So is it a stretch to think a practice such as this is on rather dodgy ground?
I could start my own business up tomorrow and request candidates go to my mates business three doors down the road and pay X amount of bucks to them before coming back for their second assessment - surely this would be considered a scam?
I could start my own business up tomorrow and request candidates go to my mates business three doors down the road and pay X amount of bucks to them before coming back for their second assessment - surely this would be considered a scam?
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There is no scam. It is quite simple. Flybe require a JOC, if you don't meet the requirement you might not get taken on. If you apply without one when it clearly states you need one then who's fault is that? Go and get your own JOC done then you won't have to endure the Flybe one. If you don't want to meet their minimum requirements for application before applying then don't apply. But don't apply without their minimum requirements then whine about it on here when you get put forward to do their recommended one. It's what our forefathers faught for, it's called freedom of choice. You either want the job or you don't.
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No choice about the (utterly irrelevant) JOC though, is there.
And by the way CC I'd say most people applying to Flybe want A job, not necessarily that job. Kind of smarts a bit when you have to pay even more cash on irrelevant chafe to get a break.
And by the way CC I'd say most people applying to Flybe want A job, not necessarily that job. Kind of smarts a bit when you have to pay even more cash on irrelevant chafe to get a break.
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Don't preach to me about the irrelevance of it, I already know. But if they don't want "the" job, but just "a" job because they're desperate and want a break then that's even more reason to stop whining about it. If you want the job that badly then meet the minimum requirements, if not then look elsewhere. It really is that simple. Quite frankly if they're not interested in Flybe as a company but just want a job then personally I don't want them here.
And LSM if you want to talk about irrelevant costs and airlines then look no further than easyjet, Ryanair? And what about your mob? Jet2 isn't it? Offering 70% contracts, no pay until after line training and pay your own type rating? Preying on the desperate with irrelevant costs and terms and conditions? It stinks, luckily I was in a position to tell them where to stick their job. Very few airlines nowadays recruit the good ol' fashion way, maybe Monarch? Flybe is as close as it gets.
And LSM if you want to talk about irrelevant costs and airlines then look no further than easyjet, Ryanair? And what about your mob? Jet2 isn't it? Offering 70% contracts, no pay until after line training and pay your own type rating? Preying on the desperate with irrelevant costs and terms and conditions? It stinks, luckily I was in a position to tell them where to stick their job. Very few airlines nowadays recruit the good ol' fashion way, maybe Monarch? Flybe is as close as it gets.