Is integrated training necessary for airline employment?
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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make but there's no such thing as "modular" or "integrated" in New Zealand, and thank God that this horrible plague of selling the RHS to 200 hour rich kids hasn't caught on there yet 
It's a purely European concept and Air NZ (like most sensible airlines on earth outside of Europe), require their applicants to have around 2000 TT before they will even consider them for the lowest of 19 seat turboprop FO jobs.
It's a purely European concept and Air NZ (like most sensible airlines on earth outside of Europe), require their applicants to have around 2000 TT before they will even consider them for the lowest of 19 seat turboprop FO jobs.
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"like most sensible airlines on earth outside of Europe), require their applicants to have around 2000 TT before they will even consider them for the lowest of 19 seat turboprop FO jobs."
Well that depends on what you deem to be a "sensible" airline. Emirates, who I would say are fairly sensible offer young UAE nationals fresh out of flight school widebody jets. Qatar and Etihad also offer shorthaul positions straight out of flight school. They also accept international low hour cadets with varying requirements, for example a degree is needed for etihad and qatar have their wings programme. Oman air also run a similar cadet programme. United require 1,000 hours TT and Delta require 1,200 TT. I would consider all these airlines to be sensible.
Luke, i'm sorry to be picky but I have to disagree with the quoted statement. Now even within the eu, many flag carriers have also switched to this method. BA, Air France, Lufthansa, Aer Lingus etc. I would consider them all to be airlines of higher quality.
Well that depends on what you deem to be a "sensible" airline. Emirates, who I would say are fairly sensible offer young UAE nationals fresh out of flight school widebody jets. Qatar and Etihad also offer shorthaul positions straight out of flight school. They also accept international low hour cadets with varying requirements, for example a degree is needed for etihad and qatar have their wings programme. Oman air also run a similar cadet programme. United require 1,000 hours TT and Delta require 1,200 TT. I would consider all these airlines to be sensible.
Luke, i'm sorry to be picky but I have to disagree with the quoted statement. Now even within the eu, many flag carriers have also switched to this method. BA, Air France, Lufthansa, Aer Lingus etc. I would consider them all to be airlines of higher quality.
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Actually, theyre giving interviews to people with 700hrs atm and also as a side note, the Beech crews are generally the more experienced ones at the moment as they will upgrade to command quicker.
Does vary with the ways of thr industry...
Does vary with the ways of thr industry...
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So far this year I have already come across 3 CPL/IR from Integrated schools. They had all finished their training over 2 years ago and all had done no other flying bar renewals. Two of them had paid a fortune for their integrated school to renew. One used someone local and saved about a grand.
All of them were bitter, all of them new that they where unemployable and all of them had the sense to realize this and add SEP ratings to their license. Why an earth a responsible training provider doesn't insist on this I have no idea. Two of them went onto add FI ratings to there license and are currently working in that field.
Now admittedly I am only a sample size of one. But these guys were not sponsored so if your not in such a scheme. I would have a long think about it because you are paying well over the odds only too end up in a position no better and in fact in their cases worse off than those who go modular.
All of them were bitter, all of them new that they where unemployable and all of them had the sense to realize this and add SEP ratings to their license. Why an earth a responsible training provider doesn't insist on this I have no idea. Two of them went onto add FI ratings to there license and are currently working in that field.
Now admittedly I am only a sample size of one. But these guys were not sponsored so if your not in such a scheme. I would have a long think about it because you are paying well over the odds only too end up in a position no better and in fact in their cases worse off than those who go modular.
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mickey that's exactly the types which the rest of us are seeing so many of outside the shiny world of jets.
There are hundreds of them if not thousands. None of them have a practical first career to survive on.
It doesn't take you to meet many of them until you have met millions worth of training which is completely useless and more than likely will never be used.
I met one lad recently who had on top off his training a A320 rating and a 737 rating and 500 hours P2F and was now an FI to build hours.
I was gob smacked I was looking at a quarter of million euros worth of training and he was unemployable, TP operators won't touch him because he would be off to jets in a flash with a sniff of a job came up. And he couldn't get near the jets because everyone is taking cadets. He was spouting some pish as well that his latest plan was to get a biz jet rating.
There are hundreds of them if not thousands. None of them have a practical first career to survive on.
It doesn't take you to meet many of them until you have met millions worth of training which is completely useless and more than likely will never be used.
I met one lad recently who had on top off his training a A320 rating and a 737 rating and 500 hours P2F and was now an FI to build hours.
I was gob smacked I was looking at a quarter of million euros worth of training and he was unemployable, TP operators won't touch him because he would be off to jets in a flash with a sniff of a job came up. And he couldn't get near the jets because everyone is taking cadets. He was spouting some pish as well that his latest plan was to get a biz jet rating.
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TP operators won't touch him because he would be off to jets in a flash with a sniff of a job came up. And he couldn't get near the jets because everyone is taking cadets.
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A big thank you to all of you for your comments. I have taken all your comments on board and have decided to follow my heart and continue to train via the modular route. It's interesting to see there are some success stories but also a real shame to hear that some people, despite investing thousands of pounds, are struggling to find employment. My brain is still telling me to stop and find an easier career to get into, but then again anything that's worth having in life is never going to be easy. Otherwise everyone would be doing it. So yes, right or wrong, I'm going to give it my best shot and hope for the best. Thank you everyone for your help.
