working (jobs) in America?
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To answer your second question first, the time span depends upon the type of license you require. If you want a commercial license with multiengine and instrument ratings then you'll likely be resricted by how quickly you can build the minimum hours required (250).
In terms of G registered aircraft they are operating in the US every day, whether they be BA or Virgin and many others or corporate operations. For this you do not require an FAA license but a JAA license. You might wish to check out the FAA website for further clarification. As ever, depending on the type of operation, you may require a permit or approval of some sort in order conduct that. Please check with the FAA on this beforehand...
In terms of G registered aircraft they are operating in the US every day, whether they be BA or Virgin and many others or corporate operations. For this you do not require an FAA license but a JAA license. You might wish to check out the FAA website for further clarification. As ever, depending on the type of operation, you may require a permit or approval of some sort in order conduct that. Please check with the FAA on this beforehand...
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Brit working in US has a question
Hello all:
I'm currently flying corporate in the US on a Citation Excel. Total time 6700hrs with my FAA ATP and 4 type ratings. Considering converting to JAA ATPL and returning to the UK . I am a British citizen. Here's the question: any chance of getting an airline job in the UK? Thank you all- new to pprune- it's a great site!
I'm currently flying corporate in the US on a Citation Excel. Total time 6700hrs with my FAA ATP and 4 type ratings. Considering converting to JAA ATPL and returning to the UK . I am a British citizen. Here's the question: any chance of getting an airline job in the UK? Thank you all- new to pprune- it's a great site!
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I don't see why not. I have 3000TT, Corp and Airline from the USA and have found an Airline job back home. You might find it a bit harder than most because of your US time. Most of the people I trained with, ground school and flying, only had 250TT and they ALL got job offers before I did. My flying in the US was certainly an issue with some companies... though ones which I am better off not being with.
Best of luck.
M.
Best of luck.
M.
Yeah it takes SO much more skill and courage to pilot an aeroplane in the UK!! We re-invented the wheel didn't you hear??
If I were you I'd stay flying your biz jet in the States, aviation is full of Tos**rs over here!
YS
If I were you I'd stay flying your biz jet in the States, aviation is full of Tos**rs over here!
YS
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Qualifying and Working Stateside
Hello all, first post.
I am currently considering the best way to go about qualifying to be a pilot - a bit of a career change - my BA was in Politics!
My quandry is that my partner is American and we will probably be marrying in the not too distant future - making me eligible to work in the US.
I am looking at flight schools on the East coast and specifically the FAA professional pilot programs - from zero experience. Can anyone offer any recommendations or advice.
Also, I don't know if anyone will know the answer, but in terms of financing and employment, are US airlines biast against hiring non-US citizens even though I will be a permanent resident? What banks etc provide loans for this kind of venture?
Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
Thanks
I am currently considering the best way to go about qualifying to be a pilot - a bit of a career change - my BA was in Politics!
My quandry is that my partner is American and we will probably be marrying in the not too distant future - making me eligible to work in the US.
I am looking at flight schools on the East coast and specifically the FAA professional pilot programs - from zero experience. Can anyone offer any recommendations or advice.
Also, I don't know if anyone will know the answer, but in terms of financing and employment, are US airlines biast against hiring non-US citizens even though I will be a permanent resident? What banks etc provide loans for this kind of venture?
Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
Thanks
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working in the U.S. as an FI.
Hi everyone,
I got a question. I currently have an JAA (F) ATPL 250 hours 29 years old, graduated in June last year and still didn’t get a single interview. (I did not get through CTC, which would have been a great option). I don’t want to wait around to long and I want to build more hours. Everything beats working in an office. Trying to get more hours at the local flying club will be too expensive and mainly VFR work. I would love to do instructor work in the States.
With so many experienced people on this forum. Who of you could help me with some information, where could I do this best? And is there a market there for FI’s (is it reasonably to get a job I mean). I haven’t got much money left to burn, enough for an instructor course. Any suggestions or info is very welcome, thanks
SBAB
I got a question. I currently have an JAA (F) ATPL 250 hours 29 years old, graduated in June last year and still didn’t get a single interview. (I did not get through CTC, which would have been a great option). I don’t want to wait around to long and I want to build more hours. Everything beats working in an office. Trying to get more hours at the local flying club will be too expensive and mainly VFR work. I would love to do instructor work in the States.
With so many experienced people on this forum. Who of you could help me with some information, where could I do this best? And is there a market there for FI’s (is it reasonably to get a job I mean). I haven’t got much money left to burn, enough for an instructor course. Any suggestions or info is very welcome, thanks
SBAB
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Unfortunately, if you follow the regs, a J1 visa that allows you to instruct in the US (for remuneration) as part of a student exchange program is out of your reach as you already have a Commercial license. The next is an M1 but there are restrictions. Best thing to do is contact a school over there and get the details from the horses mouth so to speak.
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SBAB
If you don't have too much money to burn then why on earth are you trying for an instructors rating in the states. Before you can work as an instructor, you will need to pass your FAA CPL probably on both a multi and single. Also pass an IR and the complete the CFI and CFII courses. Plus you need to go through a whole world of ball ache in gaining the right visa to work.
Chances are it will cost much more than a JAA FI ticket. Plenty of work going for a keen instructor who doesn't mind which end of the country he/she works.
Good Luck.
If you don't have too much money to burn then why on earth are you trying for an instructors rating in the states. Before you can work as an instructor, you will need to pass your FAA CPL probably on both a multi and single. Also pass an IR and the complete the CFI and CFII courses. Plus you need to go through a whole world of ball ache in gaining the right visa to work.
Chances are it will cost much more than a JAA FI ticket. Plenty of work going for a keen instructor who doesn't mind which end of the country he/she works.
Good Luck.
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Hi SBAB,
having 1000000h on a cessna will not give you more chance to get a job."Oh, that s nice, you have 10000h on the c152, but here we fly Boeing, and I see you do not have jet experience, next!!!!"
You can be turn down because you have to many hours, and many bad habits.I know, this situation is stupid.
what you need is a contact.In the USA, you have thousand of Flight instructors looking for a job.
and after building time as a FI? what else they will ask.I have over 2000 hours, and no interview in my agenda.They want captains, or FO with lot of experience.
having 1000000h on a cessna will not give you more chance to get a job."Oh, that s nice, you have 10000h on the c152, but here we fly Boeing, and I see you do not have jet experience, next!!!!"
You can be turn down because you have to many hours, and many bad habits.I know, this situation is stupid.
what you need is a contact.In the USA, you have thousand of Flight instructors looking for a job.
and after building time as a FI? what else they will ask.I have over 2000 hours, and no interview in my agenda.They want captains, or FO with lot of experience.
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You could apply to GAPAN. They run scholarships for PPLs, FI courses and ATPLs. I don't think they dish out many each year but its worth a shot. Save you a few bob which you could spend getting all your US paperwork done if you still want to do that
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Student exchange program is out of your reach as you already have a Commercial license
Try Ari Ben Aviator - for the FAA stuff;
or European Flight Training if you want to teach JAA..
Anyone else know of any others?
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mate this is the best route for you to go down. call them up, explain your situation and they will tell you what you need to do. they are an accelerated part 141 school (the more intensive kind) so no time for fannying about at all, its pure study/cram for 6 months, but you can get all your ratings done in one go.
http://www.atpflightschool.com/
http://www.atpflightschool.com/
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I may be wrong but I think even US pilots are struggling to find work at the minute, Its very difficult for a UK resident to live and work in the US, find a US girl to marry, that will help!
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You will need at least Permanent Resident status (commonly known as a "Green Card") which is obtainable through marriage or occasionally employment if your role is one which requires special skills/qualifications that are not typically held by a native e.g. a JAA qualified examiner employed by a JAA approved facility in the U.S. creating local jobs & feeding the economy.
You are probably already aware that there are jobs in the regionals right now but pay & lifestyle are poor for the first couple of years. You will be subject to additional background checks than a native as a result of 9/11 which may slow down the process a bit. I know a few non-citizens who fly professionally in the U.S. however I can't think of any who were hired post 2001 (not to say none have, I just don't know any).
You will need at least Permanent Resident status (commonly known as a "Green Card") which is obtainable through marriage or occasionally employment if your role is one which requires special skills/qualifications that are not typically held by a native e.g. a JAA qualified examiner employed by a JAA approved facility in the U.S. creating local jobs & feeding the economy.
You are probably already aware that there are jobs in the regionals right now but pay & lifestyle are poor for the first couple of years. You will be subject to additional background checks than a native as a result of 9/11 which may slow down the process a bit. I know a few non-citizens who fly professionally in the U.S. however I can't think of any who were hired post 2001 (not to say none have, I just don't know any).
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It is possible to work on an M-1 student visa, if staying in the US for an extended period of time. And the Department of Immigaration has to be informed of this prior to the interview. But only temporary, low skilled employment is permitted. When your visa expires, they show you the door i'm afraid.
Or you could go to Mexico and jump over the fence......
Or you could go to Mexico and jump over the fence......
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There are many ways to go about obtaining your US working permit (citizenship should you really like one.... you can have one without the other it seems).
I know of many people here who have lived here for 2,5,9,15 years and are still not legal here (not mexicans) and are having a great life. However, to hold a job with an airline here you'll need somekind of a working arrangement. A green card would do. But that's a hack of alot easier said than done...
If i'm not mistakin' marrying someone boils down to pretty much the only option unless ofcourse you have a skill that they need and don't have, but that ofcourse is usually speaking, highly unlikely. In that case, it leaves us with marriage which you'll be surprised is not as bad of an option as it seems depends on how much you want this life.
But after all this spiel, I gottta stop an ask you. W-H-Y?????????????????????????????????????? what is it in America that you fell in love with???? What could America possibly have that Europe isn't already offering you ten times ahead with progress and evolution to it?
I'm an american living here in America. Was born and rasied as a dual citizen somewhere in the middle east and cannot understand for the hack of me what's the great thing about America everybody likes so much.
Being a pilot here, is becoming worse by the day! No glory any more, deff no pay, you are treated like a bus driver and get the schedule of one.
I really am genuinely interested in knowing what draws you to America
please.
-downwindabeam
I know of many people here who have lived here for 2,5,9,15 years and are still not legal here (not mexicans) and are having a great life. However, to hold a job with an airline here you'll need somekind of a working arrangement. A green card would do. But that's a hack of alot easier said than done...
If i'm not mistakin' marrying someone boils down to pretty much the only option unless ofcourse you have a skill that they need and don't have, but that ofcourse is usually speaking, highly unlikely. In that case, it leaves us with marriage which you'll be surprised is not as bad of an option as it seems depends on how much you want this life.
But after all this spiel, I gottta stop an ask you. W-H-Y?????????????????????????????????????? what is it in America that you fell in love with???? What could America possibly have that Europe isn't already offering you ten times ahead with progress and evolution to it?
I'm an american living here in America. Was born and rasied as a dual citizen somewhere in the middle east and cannot understand for the hack of me what's the great thing about America everybody likes so much.
Being a pilot here, is becoming worse by the day! No glory any more, deff no pay, you are treated like a bus driver and get the schedule of one.
I really am genuinely interested in knowing what draws you to America
please.-downwindabeam
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Team America saves the day.
Oh dear,
The septics are getting all patriotic. Got the stars and stripes flying in your garden have we boys? Get over it.
Downwindabeam is giving his point of view as a pilot working in the states. This happens to be very relevant to the thread.
If Europeans were to become abusive and nationalist every time someone slates the terms / conditions / state of the industry in a particular country, this whole network would become a battle ground.
If you read his post carefully, you will find that is probably what he wants to do. The airlines there don't need Chapter 11 to bail them out either.
If you think that the aviation industry in the USA is booming with dream jobs available to all and don't like reading to the contrary, go to another site. If you want to stay here, I suggest you leave your political motivations at the cyber door.
EK
PS: SWIDD, when you write 'USA', you don't need to write 'America' in brackets after it. Most people are well aware who the USA are.
The septics are getting all patriotic. Got the stars and stripes flying in your garden have we boys? Get over it.
Downwindabeam is giving his point of view as a pilot working in the states. This happens to be very relevant to the thread.
If Europeans were to become abusive and nationalist every time someone slates the terms / conditions / state of the industry in a particular country, this whole network would become a battle ground.
The Middle East is better ? GET YOUR SORRY A$$ back there where you'll be happier.
If you think that the aviation industry in the USA is booming with dream jobs available to all and don't like reading to the contrary, go to another site. If you want to stay here, I suggest you leave your political motivations at the cyber door.
EK
PS: SWIDD, when you write 'USA', you don't need to write 'America' in brackets after it. Most people are well aware who the USA are.
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bafanguy,
You seem to think of Downwindabeam as some sort of refugee who has relied on US charity all of his life and is now being ungrateful.
Hate to break this to you buddy, but on paper, he is just as american as you. Passport and all. Bet he even has maple syrup on his breakfast.
He pays tax like you and, just because one of his parents may be foriegn, doesn't mean that he is forbidden from critisising the utopia that is the US of A.
If he is unhappy with the way the industry going in the US, he is entitled to say so without being told to:
I know that none of this is related to the thread at all, but I detest the attitude being shown here.
I also ask the moderators NOT to delete the nationalistic rants above as they serve as a good example of what a tosser this guy is.
EK
PS: I'm British, not Australian.
You seem to think of Downwindabeam as some sort of refugee who has relied on US charity all of his life and is now being ungrateful.
Hate to break this to you buddy, but on paper, he is just as american as you. Passport and all. Bet he even has maple syrup on his breakfast.
He pays tax like you and, just because one of his parents may be foriegn, doesn't mean that he is forbidden from critisising the utopia that is the US of A.
If he is unhappy with the way the industry going in the US, he is entitled to say so without being told to:
GET THE F OUT if you don't like it.
I also ask the moderators NOT to delete the nationalistic rants above as they serve as a good example of what a tosser this guy is.
EK
PS: I'm British, not Australian.